Amber Mafia

A-Flora wrote:

You’re misconstruing everything I have said this entire DP. You refuse to acknowledge that this strategy was acknowledged by multiple other people as being valid. Yet you’re still pursuing me because it’s shitty logic. Everyone else is saying it’s fine, except you. At some point you have to look in the mirror and realize you’re just plainly wrong. I’m done responding to you. If anyone has any questions, they can ask me

Wise strategy.

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Claims List

Caine- Vanilla Town

Martin- Vanilla Town- Reads: Post 559, dp1

Flora- Vanilla Town- Reads: Post 358, dp1

Unclaimed

Deidre- Reads: Post 540, dp1

Gerard- Reads: Post 276, 478 dp1

Julian- Reads: Post 626, dp1

Llewella

Oberon

Random

Fiona

Bleys

Brand

Going to hive mind you cus I don't see you activity probing me as scum

So let's sheep and push

Im nearly 95 on you and pretty confident in kohai as Caine. Are you okay with blocking me and david and moving on

A-Random wrote:

Im nearly 95 on you and pretty confident in kohai as Caine. Are you okay with blocking me and david and moving on

What do you mean blocking you and david? Town blocking you two?

Correct. Im just going to move forward under the assumption you are town

And im pretty confident with David

A-Gerard wrote:

A-Random wrote:

How sure are you its pie. You read him well and I am pretty sure your town

I would never say I am "Sure" Of anything, but his reaction here seems to follow the last time I remember trying to lynch him after I caught his bus on Casey a few years ago. Tons of insults, hyper posting defensiveness, threatening to rub it in my face when I am wrong, just every manipulative manuever in the book was thrown at me.

He’s neglecting to mention how when I didn’t do that, he still lynched as scum. He knows full well that I would fight tooth and nail as either affiliation. But if you want to lynch a guy who will probably fear killed anyways, will respond and be active and help generate reads, go for it.

Just want to start building a block

A-Random wrote:

Just want to start building a block

For the record, I am in agreement with the block you have.

I don't know if I want to lynch you. I just think you are in the poe.

I def think you Anna or david are scum off balance

Chance is 1 tp and 3-4 vanillas. And the possibility that all the vanillas have claimed off the rip is unlikely.

I am a bit hesitant to throw out town blocks in a mostly vanilla game, but I don't really scum read you or david at the moment, I have way bigger fish to fry. We can work together here.

The other thing to consider is that Pie will remain an unknown for the rest of the game. You will always be paranoid of him and the longer the game goes and the more strong players get picked off, the more likely town will be manipulated by him and let him lead them. This is one of the rare cases where there are players alive that are as strong as him and pie being a massive suspect in dp1, this probably will be our only opportunity to lynch him. Will I feel bad if I am wrong? Sure a little bit, but not too bad. He offline mislynched me in Andor mafia so we can call it even lol. I think the benefits of an early pie lynch outweigh the negatives. If pie can consistently escape criticism by doubling down on his logic for mislynches, then I don't think he should get a pass either. He has tough skin and will survive IRL in the off chance he is mislynched here. And if he's scum I don't expect him to give any credit to those who lynched him. We will all have been right for the wrong reasons and complete idiots who happened to have gotten lucky. Seen this song and dance many a time with him.

A-Random wrote:

Just want to start building a block

Here’s the question you have to ask. Why would I as scum come up with this strategy, knowing full well that I or my scum partners are going to have to claim Vanilla, especially that early in the DP. I knew I was Vanilla when I said the strategy. And the two Vanillas are an indirect CC.

You also have to ask why people are in agreement with the strategy besides Gerard. He’s the only one who’s saying it besides Llewella who just disappeared. He’s refusing to even recognize that a Town Flora would be pushing this strategy

if pie is scum im gonna laugh so hard this will be the revenge story of the century for all the times hes lynched me both as town and scum

If Martin flips scum, I’m going to be exonerated anyways and going to be fear killed.

You also have to realize that only Gerard has a hard on for me. The other votes on my wagon are all cruisers who haven’t elaborated on why they scumread me. Like Martin’s only reason for being on my wagon is Flora is pushing me even after I claimed.

A-Martin wrote:

if pie is scum im gonna laugh so hard this will be the revenge story of the century for all the times hes lynched me both as town and scum

Lol, when I flip town, you’re gonna be on the chopping block. Pie always gets the last laugh.

He’s refusing to even recognize that a Town Flora would be pushing this strategy

I think town flora would have more fleshed out reads, more questions for people, and more open minded in general. I don't think town flora attacks one thing in his first few posts thats relatively weak to begin with and barely shifts his reads for the entirety of the rest of dp1. If he does, then I vastly over-estimated his skill and overall town play. Me suspecting Flora here is actually a sign of deep respect for his town play lol

I ban discussion of who voted for what, w.r.t Random’s question of using mains instead of anonymous accounts, for the record.

You also have to realize that only Gerard has a hard on for me.

You had soooo many opportunities to change my mind. You chose to stick to your guns and remain stubborn and cocky though, which is exactly what you would do as scum.

How long do we have. At the neighbors for good

Im leaning brand but pie does seem weird atm. He's appealing very hard for very little pressure

Alright, I'm back and I'll give some basic thoughts.

I think that, in general, drawing attention to the Vanilla players makes sense. We all agree that claiming one of the roles in the Town Pool from the Setup thread is a strong indicator that someone is town, particularly this early. That will change as the game goes on and the odds of CCing go down with more role claims, but for now, I agree with Flora that scum are likely to go for a Vanilla claim if pushed to do so.

And that's where things get tricky because we only know that we have 3 Vanilla claims on the table, not whether any of them are fake. I think we all agree there are bound to be a lot of VTs in this game, so just lynching among the Vanilla claims at random doesn't make a whole lot of sense. There has to be more of a basis for targeting a given player behaviorally, even if we're preferring lynches in the VT claim pool.

So the choices are pretty straightforward:

Either lynch one of the claimed VTs based on who the majority of us are sussing, or

Lynch outside of that pool, presumably getting a claim in the process (maybe not given the time we have remaining)

I'm a little hesitant to do the latter since we could just end up lynching someone who would otherwise claim a role that would effectively confirm them as town. I'm concerned about just eliminating VTs with the hope of finding scum in the mix, but I do think targeting a VT claim this DP makes the most sense. If nothing else, it would give us insight into either Martin or Flora, who I'm pretty certain are not paired, based on their flips. Much as I don't see her as scummy, Martin is the only player out of the three claimed VTs that I don't have any particular reason to townread, so that's where I'm leaning with attention to be paid to Flora should she flip town.

A-Random wrote:

How long do we have. At the neighbors for good

Im leaning brand but pie does seem weird atm. He's appealing very hard for very little pressure

Its plurality lynch, I kinda have to. With like 3-4 hours left

Martin is the only player out of the three claimed VTs that I don't have any particular reason to townread, so that's where I'm leaning with attention to be paid to Flora should she flip town.

If you mislynch Martin and Flora somehow doesn't get lynched afterwards, and ends up being scum this is going to be so painful. Or your his scum partner. I hope its not the latter.

A-Deirdre wrote:

Alright, I'm back and I'll give some basic thoughts.

I think that, in general, drawing attention to the Vanilla players makes sense. We all agree that claiming one of the roles in the Town Pool from the Setup thread is a strong indicator that someone is town, particularly this early. That will change as the game goes on and the odds of CCing go down with more role claims, but for now, I agree with Flora that scum are likely to go for a Vanilla claim if pushed to do so.

And that's where things get tricky because we only know that we have 3 Vanilla claims on the table, not whether any of them are fake. I think we all agree there are bound to be a lot of VTs in this game, so just lynching among the Vanilla claims at random doesn't make a whole lot of sense. There has to be more of a basis for targeting a given player behaviorally, even if we're preferring lynches in the VT claim pool.

So the choices are pretty straightforward:

Either lynch one of the claimed VTs based on who the majority of us are sussing, or

Lynch outside of that pool, presumably getting a claim in the process (maybe not given the time we have remaining)

I'm a little hesitant to do the latter since we could just end up lynching someone who would otherwise claim a role that would effectively confirm them as town. I'm concerned about just eliminating VTs with the hope of finding scum in the mix, but I do think targeting a VT claim this DP makes the most sense. If nothing else, it would give us insight into either Martin or Flora, who I'm pretty certain are not paired, based on their flips. Much as I don't see her as scummy, Martin is the only player out of the three claimed VTs that I don't have any particular reason to townread, so that's where I'm leaning with attention to be paid to Flora should she flip town.

Flora is a dude lol. Martin is the XX chromosome

Why do you town read Martin

Ill be back on after food to decide what I wana do. Right now im still brand. I think that rep was pissed off scum

u dont have to town read me, but ive done my best to comply with every req. i claimed when flora asked me to, and then was accused of being passive aggressive. im being pursued bcuz of the role i claimed, and a weird accusation that im being passive aggressive. if im gonna be lynched i would at least like a little more than that. i gave reads when asked, i answered questions when asked, what have i done that makes me scum lol

Holy shit im tired. I dont know if I can stay up for another hour and a half. Im doing my best.

If you mislynch Martin and Flora somehow doesn't get lynched afterwards, and ends up being scum this is going to be so painful. Or your his scum partner. I hope its not the latter. 

I mean… yes? The goal would be to draw attention to the other, and if they somehow thread that needle or draw attention elsewhere, that would indeed be a problem.

Flora is a dude lol. Martin is the XX chromosome

Yeah, I’m typing this up quickly, I recognize I’m not always getting this right.

I mean… yes? The goal would be to draw attention to the other, and if they somehow thread that needle or draw attention elsewhere, that would indeed be a problem.

If they are both town, then this entire logic just fucked town into two mislynches, and thats gonna hurt. And that's also gonna be on Flora.