we have just over 24 hours left in the day. We really need to come to an agreement
we have just over 24 hours left in the day. We really need to come to an agreement
A-Caine wrote:
we have just over 24 hours left in the day. We really need to come to an agreement
Lol I mean we are lynching Fiona, that is set in stone. I think people just wanna use the remaining time to discuss other things.
A-Gerard wrote:
A-Caine wrote:
we have just over 24 hours left in the day. We really need to come to an agreement
Lol I mean we are lynching Fiona, that is set in stone. I think people just wanna use the remaining time to discuss other things.
If they’re scum then who are the other wolves
A-Caine wrote:
A-Gerard wrote:
A-Caine wrote:
we have just over 24 hours left in the day. We really need to come to an agreement
Lol I mean we are lynching Fiona, that is set in stone. I think people just wanna use the remaining time to discuss other things.
If they’re scum then who are the other wolves
I outlined my POE earlier.
But you, Brand, Oberon (if he doesn't self resolve), Bleys. I town read Llewella and Random but am open to them being scum. Deirdre is probably town, and probably dead tonight.
A-Gerard wrote:
A-Caine wrote:
A-Gerard wrote:
A-Caine wrote:
we have just over 24 hours left in the day. We really need to come to an agreement
Lol I mean we are lynching Fiona, that is set in stone. I think people just wanna use the remaining time to discuss other things.
If they’re scum then who are the other wolves
I outlined my POE earlier.
But you, Brand, Oberon (if he doesn't self resolve), Bleys. I town read Llewella and Random but am open to them being scum. Deirdre is probably town, and probably dead tonight.
if they are 3p and there are 2 wolves left then tomorrow is LyLo. What’s your plan then?
if they are 3p and there are 2 wolves left then tomorrow is LyLo. What’s your plan then?
Lynch scum without impunity. I dont care about third party, said this a ton in the last game too. Sounds like they can joint win. WE only have one mislynch so far, but if for some reason we only ever got two total thats just bad balancing. We need to hit scum. we don't do that by being hyper paranoid about not lynching scummy people, or people who've been counter claimed.
A-Gerard wrote:
if they are 3p and there are 2 wolves left then tomorrow is LyLo. What’s your plan then?
Lynch scum without impunity. I dont care about third party, said this a ton in the last game too. Sounds like they can joint win. WE only have one mislynch so far, but if for some reason we only ever got two total thats just bad balancing. We need to hit scum. we don't do that by being hyper paranoid about not lynching scummy people, or people who've been counter claimed.
who is scum if Fiona is 3p?
A-Caine wrote:
A-Gerard wrote:
if they are 3p and there are 2 wolves left then tomorrow is LyLo. What’s your plan then?
Lynch scum without impunity. I dont care about third party, said this a ton in the last game too. Sounds like they can joint win. WE only have one mislynch so far, but if for some reason we only ever got two total thats just bad balancing. We need to hit scum. we don't do that by being hyper paranoid about not lynching scummy people, or people who've been counter claimed.
who is scum if Fiona is 3p?
Same group.
Caine- Not a fan of their behavior. I am not picking up similar town behaviors I've picked up from other games. Really hated the Martin vote, easily one of the worst votes on the wagon. "I town read Martin, but I don't wanna mess with flora so vtl martin" like really? Then they said if Martin flips town they will insta vote flora next day phase. They probably thought there would be a lot of support for this, and explains why I was left alive. Then this day phase there behavior hasn't improved much for me. The constant shelling of of third party paranoia is what scum want. Scum know they don't need much to win this game, so he's trying to sell exactly the paranoia that would get us to buy their is a jester made from an executioner, who happened to have had one of julian or flora as their np0 target, 2/13 chance of that. They unvoted Flora the second Random suggested lynching Oberon, and only unvoted after I pointed out how obvious it was that Oberon was in fact Blackmailed. They accused me at one point of TMI about being alive to reduce my credibility, they have just been all over the place. I have no read synergy with this person other than Fiona, which you can't count since we know they are scum. I can at least get on board with other peoples reads, but this is the only person whose reads just don't come off as genuine to me. They have been oppertunistic at every oppertunity. Pretty sure Caine is scum.
Bleys- Has not posted enough to read them, sounds like the mod is working hard on them being replaced. If scum team had Bleys and Fiona, that is a really inactive scum chat though, unless Fiona has been purposely just afk for 90% of the game but active in the scum chat. I doubt Bleys would be allowed to do the same.
Fiona- Got CC'ed, but was already lurking, plus came in with a horrible vote EOD, and sheeped me on Flora trying to get town cred with me. Pretty clear this person is scum.
Deirdre- Town via CC and probably the least scummy vote on the Martin wagon. Has better justification for the Regent role than Fiona. Don't have much doubt on this one.
Random- Probably town, not picking up scum behaviors from them I was looking for. I think they genuinely feel they caught something with Oberon, and are miffed because he feels people are ignoring him. This isn't a mislynch mafia would look for unless they were deflecting pressure from elsewhere, but he has been on board with Fiona and Caine who are my biggest scum reads so I don't see this as a deflection tactic, more that they actually think they found something. They seemed pretty open minded on Flora last day phase as well, and was really trusting me on that decision despite not seeming sure of it. They weren't part of the Martin wagon which gets them some points as well.
Llewella- Lean town, I still do not know this persons scum game. Wasn't a fan of the way they played dp1, and was almost willing to lynch them for it.. Them explaining their behavior as activity related makes a bit more sense, I just don't get why they lied about it and construed it as trying to challenge themselves. But their behavior has been considerably better this day phase. The lack of being on either town wagon last DP helps their case, mafia had 0 reason not to be on one of those goldmines of a mislynch. Their behavior today has been considerably better as well.
Brand- Lean scum. I have no reason to town read this person. They got kind of lucky to be off the lynching table last day phase, and that's kind of the running theme with them. They've been able to avoid the spotlight because other people have been constantly in it, but the more I read through their ISO, the less I have reason to town read them like at all. When I asked them who they'd be willing to lynch they mentioned Bleys, a FOS on Diedre and some non commital FOS on caine being all over the place. Anyways analyzing their posts, seems like a collection of nothing burgers that make them seem like participating, but I am not feeling a ton of town analysis from their direction. I think we need to put a considerable amount of focus on them going into next day phase.
Oberon- Self resolving.
There is one thing I want to consider
Description: You are a Chaosite from the royal family, with shapeshifting abilities and the ability to walk the black road the straddles the multiverse.
Ability: Attack a player at night, killing them. You will disguise yourself as them, taking over their account. They will flip with your account’s name, their own role, and your last will. One charge.
What if Fiona’s account got taken over? Scum could have taken over the account and that explains the sanitized NK on Julius.
The day 1 tone and behavior from Fiona is just extremely different. Their behavior makes zero sense.
Got a couple of other things going on today that have restricted how much I can post, but I'll at least get out some basic reads for now. I don't see a world in which scum let me survive the NP after publicly outing myself and getting the CC as confirmation, so I might as well get something down. Behaviorally, I think I'm on a similar page to Gerard, so I'm going to delve into players in relation to my main scumread.
Fiona - So there is a non-zero chance Fiona is 3P, which would make this lynch a whole lot less indicative than I'd like since that would mean any attention Fiona got last DP as potential scum is NAI. That being said, I'm going to be treating Fiona as scum because the scenarios where he's doing all this as 3P are far less likely. No one needs me to explain why I scumread him, so let's get into everyone else.
Caine - I'm noticing just how generalized his reads on Fiona were last DP. Not a lot of interactions to note, but then Fiona was barely active. Beyond just saying that Fiona should claim early in DP2 and noting the lack of activity, there isn't much from Caine about him. He did take a solid stance against Fiona in #131, though I'm questioning whether that's due to the obvious attention Fiona was set to receive this DP from inactivity or even a pre-planned crash-out.
Bleys - Being absent absolutely does not help Bleys' case, especially since they said they'd be active by yesterday night in their last post. No reads yet, nothing. Not even a passing thought about Fiona in DP1, let alone a read set. I hate to just sus inactivity, but it's hard not to notice with him.
Oberon - The weird confusion between Flora and Fiona still puzzles me, especially since they were posting so distinctly in DP1, sets Fiona aside in #93, and gives intent to lynch in #386, so significantly later than most. That being said, I don't think all this is an attempt to play us with a fake out. I get what Random is getting at and it's possible something more is going on here, but since we have a solid scum pick already, I don't see a good enough reason to eliminate him here. Still sussing him a little, but if the Blackmailer plays out like he's hinted at, that won't last.
Llewella - No thoughts on Fiona last DP. Put some attention on Fiona in #162 saying we should hunt through the wagons on Flora and Martin (one of five players, but that's something), pushing back on the Jailor outing just after Fiona claimed to have posted the quote gives Llewella some credit from where I'm sitting as well. Could've been an opportunity for scum to score some information from someone who at least looked solid town at that point.
Brand - Jumped pretty quickly on Fiona's decision to VTL Flora last DP and followed up before the end of the DP. Pretty quick to sus Flora this DP as well in #133 and #275, well before the CC. It's possible he was just bussing Fiona for that entire time, but much as I behaviorally flagged him a bit as well, his position on Fiona lends him some credence.
Random - No insight into Fiona last DP and though he's acknowledged that Fiona is the focus of attention at this point, his attention has largely been on Oberon. Can't say he's given me much to read into on this front. Warmed to him a bit behaviorally over the course of this DP, but I'm a bit mixed on the pursuit of Oberon for claiming the Blackmailer was affecting him.
Gerard - Was advocating for lynching inactives for a period over the last DP and even directly stated that he'd prefer Fiona over Bleys. Also one of the persistent voices in the room when it came to calling out Fiona for his vote last DP, bringing it up again early this DP. That would be some intense bussing.
So yes, if we're considering lynches for future DPs, setting aside some fuckery from Oberon, Bleys put himself in a particularly bad position and should be posting reads the next time he comes on. I'm not sussing Brand as much as Gerard is, but Caine is a little sus to me as well. I can't dismiss Random or Llewella entirely, but they'd be tertiary picks.
Automated Vote Count
This vote count was generated by the mafia vote bot.
A-Fiona (2/5): A-Deirdre (p#198), A-Gerard (p#339)
A-Brand (1/5): A-Oberon (p#93)
A-Oberon (1/5): A-Random (p#209)
A-Deirdre (1/5): A-Fiona (p#455)
Not Voting (4): A-Bleys, A-Brand, A-Caine (p#411), A-Llewella
With 9 players alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day phase ends in 1 day, 3 hours.
A-Caine wrote:
There is one thing I want to consider
Description: You are a Chaosite from the royal family, with shapeshifting abilities and the ability to walk the black road the straddles the multiverse.
Ability: Attack a player at night, killing them. You will disguise yourself as them, taking over their account. They will flip with your account’s name, their own role, and your last will. One charge.
What if Fiona’s account got taken over? Scum could have taken over the account and that explains the sanitized NK on Julius.
The day 1 tone and behavior from Fiona is just extremely different. Their behavior makes zero sense.
I wouldn't say they participated enough last DP to get a bead on their behavior, but if Fiona's account did get taken over, that would still set Fiona as scum wouldn't it?
A-Deirdre wrote:
A-Caine wrote:
There is one thing I want to consider
Description: You are a Chaosite from the royal family, with shapeshifting abilities and the ability to walk the black road the straddles the multiverse.
Ability: Attack a player at night, killing them. You will disguise yourself as them, taking over their account. They will flip with your account’s name, their own role, and your last will. One charge.
What if Fiona’s account got taken over? Scum could have taken over the account and that explains the sanitized NK on Julius.
The day 1 tone and behavior from Fiona is just extremely different. Their behavior makes zero sense.
I wouldn't say they participated enough last DP to get a bead on their behavior, but if Fiona's account did get taken over, that would still set Fiona as scum wouldn't it?
Yeah. I’m not quite sure as that role is just extremely confusing.
FWIW I do think Fiona needs to be resolved today.
As I said my fear is we don’t know the balance of power. If they’re 3p and there are 3 scum we lose.
If they are retarded scum then that’s better for us.
Let me double check my math
9 players
if 3 scum and no 3p
6 v 3
lynch scum
6 v 2
black mail
5 v 2
NK goes through
4 v 2
In that scenario tomorrow is LyLo.
We aren’t getting out of LyLo tomorrow unless somehow we Lynch scum and vig scum
We need to have a serious discussion on who we should lynch tomorrow in a w!Fion world
A-Deirdre wrote:
A-Caine wrote:
There is one thing I want to consider
Description: You are a Chaosite from the royal family, with shapeshifting abilities and the ability to walk the black road the straddles the multiverse.
Ability: Attack a player at night, killing them. You will disguise yourself as them, taking over their account. They will flip with your account’s name, their own role, and your last will. One charge.
What if Fiona’s account got taken over? Scum could have taken over the account and that explains the sanitized NK on Julius.
The day 1 tone and behavior from Fiona is just extremely different. Their behavior makes zero sense.
I wouldn't say they participated enough last DP to get a bead on their behavior, but if Fiona's account did get taken over, that would still set Fiona as scum wouldn't it?
Yeah. Idk. I think we’re probably just over thinking things.
I don't know if Magoroth has someone to replace me, but my car's transmission blew up yesterday I will not be able to play unfortunately.
Bruh just told you who I wanna lynch
A-Bleys wrote:
I don't know if Magoroth has someone to replace me, but my car's transmission blew up yesterday I will not be able to play unfortunately.
I’m sorry to hear.
I’m pretty sure scum is just giving up.
A-Bleys wrote:
I don't know if Magoroth has someone to replace me, but my car's transmission blew up yesterday I will not be able to play unfortunately.
Ugh, sorry to hear it. Do what you have to do, man.
Fiona self destructed and Bleyes giving up.
A-Caine wrote:
This changes the game state big time
Living players
A-Bleys
A-Brand
A-Caine
A-Deirdre
A-Fiona
A-Gerard
A-Llewella
A-Oberon
A-Random
Confirmed Town
A-Deirdre
A-Oberon
A-Caine
Likely Town
A-Random
Confirmed Scum
A-Fiona
POE
A-Bleys
A-Brand
A-Gerard
A-Llewella
From there
A-Gerard - likely most likely town
Remaining
A-Bleys
A-Brand
A-Llewella
Let's lock this in
Pretty sure this is the right Poe.
Automated Vote Count
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A-Fiona (2/5): A-Deirdre (p#198), A-Gerard (p#339)
A-Brand (1/5): A-Oberon (p#93)
A-Oberon (1/5): A-Random (p#209)
A-Deirdre (1/5): A-Fiona (p#455)
Not Voting (4): A-Bleys, A-Brand, A-Caine (p#411), A-Llewella
With 9 players alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day phase ends in 1 day, 2 hours.
VTL: A-Fiona
anyone around? Some activity would be nice
Welp I didn't want to admit to this but I'm actually the jailer
I lied about the whole thing to out Deidre out of fear for an illusionist who could wipe us out and then use our claims. Ofc now I'm dead in the night but it's worth it.
You're immune to mafia claiming your role now Deirdre. you're welcome.
A-Fiona wrote:
Welp I didn't want to admit to this but I'm actually the jailer
I lied about the whole thing to out Deidre out of fear for an illusionist who could wipe us out and then use our claims. Ofc now I'm dead in the night but it's worth it.
You're immune to mafia claiming your role now Deirdre. you're welcome.
LOL