Anyone notice the inconsistency here
1) Caine scummy for not considering 3p in his calculation
2) Cain scummy for considering 3p in MyLo.
Let’s play a game.
One of these things is not like the other. One of these things doesn’t belong
can you guess which thing is not like the other
before I finish my song
A-Caine wrote:
Anyone notice the inconsistency here
1) Caine scummy for not considering 3p in his calculation
2) Cain scummy for considering 3p in MyLo.
Let’s play a game.
One of these things is not like the other. One of these things doesn’t belong
can you guess which thing is not like the other
before I finish my song
Right, let's go more in depth.
1) Mafia doesn't, on a general level, care about 3p when calculating numbers.
2) The particularity of the game not ending when Mafia has a majority is such an extreme consideration that it breaks the mold.
I posit that (1) occurred naturally in the mafia chat, and (2) arose when questioned about (1)
A-Bleys wrote:
A-Caine wrote:
Anyone notice the inconsistency here
1) Caine scummy for not considering 3p in his calculation
2) Cain scummy for considering 3p in MyLo.
Let’s play a game.
One of these things is not like the other. One of these things doesn’t belong
can you guess which thing is not like the other
before I finish my song
Right, let's go more in depth.
1) Mafia doesn't, on a general level, care about 3p when calculating numbers.
2) The particularity of the game not ending when Mafia has a majority is such an extreme consideration that it breaks the mold.
I posit that (1) occurred naturally in the mafia chat, and (2) arose when questioned about (1)
Counter point: If we lynch 3p and the NK isn’t stopped then town loses.
6 players alive
assuming 3p
2 scum v 1 tp v 3 town
If we lynch a 3p we still lose.
1013 from Brand is icky. Sheeping Deidre on what is not even a wagon at that point at the end of the DP after spending the entire day not being on a real wagon is gross behavior.
I do not understand this point. I hadn't joined a wagon up to that point, yeah, but (1) I was still playing catch up, and (2) the only real wagon at that point other than myself was Flora, whom I hadn't scumread. Plus, I had already stated my reasons to sus Martin earlier, so it wasnt mere "sheeping" like you suggest. This framing feels dishonest.
Counter point: If we lynch 3p and the NK isn’t stopped then town loses.
6 players alive
assuming 3p
2 scum v 1 tp v 3 town
If we lynch a 3p we still lose.
This works towards my point. There's no reason for town to be considering 3p right now.
A-Bleys wrote:
Counter point: If we lynch 3p and the NK isn’t stopped then town loses.
6 players alive
assuming 3p
2 scum v 1 tp v 3 town
If we lynch a 3p we still lose.
This works towards my point. There's no reason for town to be considering 3p right now.
Absolutely there is. We need to lynch scum not 3p.
I do not understand this point. I hadn't joined a wagon up to that point, yeah, but (1) I was still playing catch up, and (2) the only real wagon at that point other than myself was Flora, whom I hadn't scumread. Plus, I had already stated my reasons to sus Martin earlier, so it wasnt mere "sheeping" like you suggest. This framing feels dishonest.
Why did you feel the need to wait for Deidre to comment on Martin to vote there if you already scumread Martin?
Further, did you feel a Martin wagon would become viable that close to the end of the DP, or was your vote a statement
Absolutely there is. We need to lynch scum not 3p.
All you are saying is the we need to lynch scum. The consideration of 3p is an added, superfluous step. I'm still waiting for you to explain to me why town would think about the game not ending when Mafia has a majority.
Can you explain your read progression on me yesterday?
https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/5k/amber-mafia---dp2?page=10&comment_number=295
I went from being a town lock to being in your Poe.
A-Bleys wrote:
I do not understand this point. I hadn't joined a wagon up to that point, yeah, but (1) I was still playing catch up, and (2) the only real wagon at that point other than myself was Flora, whom I hadn't scumread. Plus, I had already stated my reasons to sus Martin earlier, so it wasnt mere "sheeping" like you suggest. This framing feels dishonest.
Why did you feel the need to wait for Deidre to comment on Martin to vote there if you already scumread Martin?
I didn't vote Martin immediately after I started scumreading them because I was still playing catch up at the time. I did vote for Martin not long after I logged on the following morning and gave up on getting fully caught up before EoD.
A-Bleys wrote:
Further, did you feel a Martin wagon would become viable that close to the end of the DP, or was your vote a statement
I wasn't confident it would become viable, but I was hoping it would
Lack of sleep last night is really getting to me, but I'll at least give some basic thoughts on what's been said recently and how I'm seeing everyone shaking out so far.
I'm appreciating Bleys' analysis a good deal, particularly that big post on DP1. My read on Bleys going into this DP was just little informed since they hadn't posted enough to form anything meaningful, but this second head is doing work.
I had the same response Bleys did initially to Brand responding rather positively to my reasoning for voting Martin, though it seems like enough of an outlier that I'm hesitant to scumread it. Getting on the same page as me for a vote that, at the time, didn't look like it was going to result in a lynch anyway doesn't make him look too opportunistic.
Llewella's grown more town to me a little over the course of the DP. Especially given what I think they're avoiding saying (could be wrong, but I don't think I am), I get the aim and it doesn't seem manufactured. I'd like to see how things play out with claims before forming a more solid opinion on her.
That leaves Caine and Random who have stood out to me a good deal for distinct reasons, all of which I've already expressed. Random not having posted for most of today doesn't help develop any new info on him. I'm hesitant to read the focus on mechanics involving a 3P as unlikely for Caine to consider outside of being scum (from past experience with him, I think it's plausible that's NAI), but it doesn't help. In general, drawing any focus to a potential 3P at this point does rub me the wrong way, even if it's just to say how scum might perceive them.
Order probably goes (from most to least scummy):
Random
Caine
Brand
Bleys
Llewella
There's some room for movement in there. Might be worth getting more claims at this point, and I think I've come around to having the Jailor out themselves.
I hope everyone lieks the new navigation bar.
That said, I'm going to be going to bed soon. I have an extremely busy weekend so I will try and post as much as I will probably not be as active this dp as i was yesterday
A-Bleys wrote:
Absolutely there is. We need to lynch scum not 3p.
All you are saying is the we need to lynch scum. The consideration of 3p is an added, superfluous step. I'm still waiting for you to explain to me why town would think about the game not ending when Mafia has a majority.
I already answered this question. The consideration of 3p is absolutely not superfluous.
I do not see 3p as being a part of the game. My lazy thought was simply game balance. Game already feels quite scum sided for balance but the Mafia played greedy and got hurt for it allowing for the 2 confirmed town situation.
But to unpack 3p potential-
Gunsmith- Nobody claims getting a gun, We have not seen an extra kill. So no
Associate- Possible? Have not seen any hard defending yet and they could simply claim and both sides would want the extra vote
Rogue Ty'iga- No flip so far so super unlikely. Also so weirdly built I doubt mag would even run the role
Sadist- Only 1 jailing report. LW reflected they interacted with their target. Does not mechanically fit and does not exist
Executioner- Extremely unlikely
A-Bleys wrote:
A-Llewella wrote:
A-Bleys wrote:
Why not Caine?
I am not sure I understand the question.
As far as todays elimination I just generally felt they were towny digging through the Fiona situation. I looked at how each player interacted with Fiona and how Fiona interacted with them between you, Brand, Random and Caine. Cain was the one who looked good to me hard shoving Fiona D2 that looked far past bussing to me.
The question is irt when you told me after I replaced in that you saw 2 scum between me, Brand, and Random.
I haven't finished catching up yet, but I'm eager to read the interactions on the Fiona lynch.
Reading back through the day so far looks like I did not respond to this.
"They were the first to push consideration on if we were in Mylo and such. They were shoving Fiona prior to the claim situation and then they hard shoved Fiona throughout the day. I think its unlikely they are Mafia bussing especially given Fiona was not pushing back on them as I typically see with theater. Fiona was appealing to them which comes more from a wolf trying to placate a town."
This was my reasoning for saying that as I entered D3. Paraphrased from my LW.
In general I walk into day phases with players I intend to focus on and sort. This one I town read Cain from D2 and Geralt overall, Regent is confirmed town. That left You, Brand and Random.
Dude you know how absent I've been in general. Work is nuts. Some massive projects due. Trying to get around to post but we have been slammed
I softed vt dp1 by being sus of vanilla claims. Read through that. Not sure when i can post. Don't regret the magic sus because I still think he was capable of doing that. Both pie and Connor where town locking me almost. As scum. Why would I kill them. That's retarded. Look who's pushing me and I think scum is there. Ill sheep you
Prob won't have time to catch up like I want.
I need more time to look deeper into Brand/Random.
Gotta do that birthday thing but to stay concise two bits that are stuck in my head are-
Fiona voices "We have five minutes. Just go with the larger wagon" (Potentially saving Brand?)
Caine was on Flora and waps to Martin tieing the two wagons. (Hard choice made here to pick Martin over Brand)
Im mind melding with quite a bit of what Bleys is voicing as I dig through the thread and follow their thought process.
Mikal wrote:
Prob won't have time to catch up like I want.
wrong account lol
Mikal wrote:
Dude you know how absent I've been in general. Work is nuts. Some massive projects due. Trying to get around to post but we have been slammed
I softed vt dp1 by being sus of vanilla claims. Read through that. Not sure when i can post. Don't regret the magic sus because I still think he was capable of doing that. Both pie and Connor where town locking me almost. As scum. Why would I kill them. That's retarded. Look who's pushing me and I think scum is there. Ill sheep you
Can you please at least fucking pretend to be following the rules of the game?
Edit: Please be more careful in the future
Prob won't have time to catch up like I want.
A wild Mikal has appeared! It uses Schedule Conflict!
To be fair those kinds of mistakes happen.
My trick to preventing them is I use a different browser for anon games as I do for anything else. Can't even say how many times I have screwed that up accidentally.
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Not Voting (6): A-Bleys, A-Brand, A-Caine, A-Deirdre, A-Llewella, A-Random
With 6 players alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day phase ends in 1 day, 12 hours.
VTL: A-Random
I’ll give more of an analysis when I get home from work. I wanna put my vote and pressure here for now.
1) I really dislike his constant angle shooting, OGI, and blatant rule violations
2) His progression on my slot screams wolf trying to get an easy ML
3) Not a fan on how he tried to de rail the Fiona wagon yesterday
4) Oberion was convinced his blackmail had his finger prints all over it.
We should wrap up claims before we move into votes imo
I'm still chewing over why Fiona would have such an epic crash-out. Maybe it's because he just wanted to do this his own way and wasn't willing to listen to his scum partners. Maybe it's because those same scum partners weren't super active, which would hardly be a first. That's not to say I'm sussing people who were offline for much of the last DP, especially since certain players are more likely to do the work even if they have limited time (can think of a couple). Fiona could've done all this to get bussed, maybe thinking he just wanted out of the game and to flame out in a way that could help his partners. Each of those would lead me in different directions for sussing, so this is still pretty complicated.
A-Llewella wrote:
We should wrap up claims before we move into votes imo
Agreed. I believe you, Random and Caine have all claimed VT if I remember correctly. We all know I'm the Regent. That leaves Brand and Bleys. You guys both need to step up and claim.
A-Deirdre wrote:
I'm still chewing over why Fiona would have such an epic crash-out. Maybe it's because he just wanted to do this his own way and wasn't willing to listen to his scum partners. Maybe it's because those same scum partners weren't super active, which would hardly be a first. That's not to say I'm sussing people who were offline for much of the last DP, especially since certain players are more likely to do the work even if they have limited time (can think of a couple). Fiona could've done all this to get bussed, maybe thinking he just wanted out of the game and to flame out in a way that could help his partners. Each of those would lead me in different directions for sussing, so this is still pretty complicated.
Yeah, I have eaten a wolf for the town cred before. It is possible.
For claims I think you should pick the order they claim in. You are the only one thats unquestionable as potentially teamed.
If I had a vote I would say Brand claim first.
If I had a vote I would say Brand claim first.
That's fine, he's closer to scum in my POE than Bleys.
