Frieren Mafia - DP1

Thoth wrote:

#120

What's a paladin?

I figure there's likely at least one other vanilla. They'll know I'm telling the truth since it would be silly to claim canilla without knowing there was one in the game.

What does there potentially being another Vanilla have anything to do with you?

I think scum luna would allow this to happen. He wouldn't even look scummy for being on it because there is me you and pie also on the idea of it.

Dont see scum luna not trying to push this. Even if for different reasons

Mikal wrote:

I think if he were vanilla thats how we he would write it. I know im town

So his lynch gives us info about the wagon

And stops us from random lynching

It does, but you having reason to believe it gives me reason to believe it. I’m down to chock this up to Thoth being weird.

I think Pie and Rex could both be nailed.

Thoth wagon gets results on you, me, Lunatic, Pie, Rex. CFD wagon just you and me. Lunatic as well if we CFD Pie. Slightly less info. Better odds of a correct lynch.

Re: #251. That PM differs from mine in that the justification is specifically for being Vanilla, since he faded into obscurity. I don't even have that.

I do ask y'all to consider in what world whiteflame either gave scum!Thoth's team Vanilla as a fake-claim or we exhausted all our questions this early and ended up claiming that.

What does there potentially being another Vanilla have anything to do with you?

If there's another Vanilla, they will probably see my claim and think, "There's more than one Vanilla in this game. Makes sense."

Lunatic wrote:

I believe him guys..

VTL: ILikePie5

Still feel good about pie being scum. Coming in just to support the thoth wagon is pretty dumb too. Scum think Thoth is an easy mislynch here. I am not going to be apart of that, and will be scrutinizing anyone on his lynch if it does happen.

My reasoning for the Thoth wagon was completely independent of everyone else’s. I was the one who said he was being unusually defensive that early on. Also

If I am lynched, which it looks like I will be, I want you all to push Mikal for a claim first thing next DP.

Actually this may town lock him for not reading the game

Mag1cman wrote:

I’m fine with lynching Thoth for the info.

Trust me, lets lynch pie

Unvote

Also, there’s no purpose for me here to delay the lynch here and not push other people to claim.

Per #254, why wouldn't your first sus be Mikal if I flip town?

Not lock but this is either worded very carefully as scum or he didnt read the dp at all

Thoth wrote:

Re: #251. That PM differs from mine in that the justification is specifically for being Vanilla, since he faded into obscurity. I don't even have that.

I do ask y'all to consider in what world whiteflame either gave scum!Thoth's team Vanilla as a fake-claim or we exhausted all our questions this early and ended up claiming that.

in a world where there’s multiple vanillas. As for the questions, I don’t know. Depends on your usage. I had a game where I wasted all mine a while back.

but I see your point.

i will be fair and say i do expect at least one vanilla in a Whiteflame game, since I coached his first few setups. Multiple aren’t out if the question, I’ve noticed he likes PRs slightly more than I do. I can buy two vanillas in this game.

Okay I may buy pie now.

Luna mentions him and he goes from lurking to ASAP post

Mag1cman wrote:

UNVOTE

I’ll evaluate Thoth’s responses in a bit. Initial look doesn’t dissuade me a whole lot. I do think Pie’s recent posts in particular look bad, tbh Lunatic’s do too. I can’t ignore that.

Magoroth, Rex, Wylted… still looking for more from them.

What about them look bad? Also Luna’s behavior is just objectively different compared to last game like I said, and now he’s pushing me for wagoning lol

What thoth said about wf giving scum a vanilla claim. Reads in his favor unfor6

Mikal wrote:

Okay I may buy pie now.

Luna mentions him and he goes from lurking to ASAP post

I just woke up lol. At least let me catch up

ILikePie5 wrote:

Lunatic wrote:

I believe him guys..

VTL: ILikePie5

Still feel good about pie being scum. Coming in just to support the thoth wagon is pretty dumb too. Scum think Thoth is an easy mislynch here. I am not going to be apart of that, and will be scrutinizing anyone on his lynch if it does happen.

My reasoning for the Thoth wagon was completely independent of everyone else’s. I was the one who said he was being unusually defensive that early on. Also

Defensive? His responses have seemed pretty dead pan to me. Normal thoth seems a bit more chipper, but after how the last couple games have went I can feel his pain. Then he immediately gets pressured and ends up being a vanilla, and you put pressure on him alongside other players like mikal and magic, honestly thats gotta be pretty demoraling. Whether you have independent reads or not, it doesn't change the fact that the lynch is bad and hes being pushed by multiple players who have opted not to really try pushing literally anywhere else. I don't like this one bit.

Thoth wrote:

Per #254, why wouldn't your first sus be Mikal if I flip town?

No. If Mikal is wrong or right, I have reason to townread him independent of the flip

Im okay with adjusting to pie or magic for a claim given his town slip

Mikal wrote:

Almost want to lynch him for info.

I think there are 3 possible scenarios

1) if thoth flips scum. Luna is prob scum

2) if thoth flips town. I think its likely magic is scum

3) mafia could be not posting and letting us drive off the cliff.

Expand on this. How so?

I'm out of here for 40-50 minutes, but I will be on well before EoD

A scum luna would allow this to happen and not defend him so much. He would either afk and let it happen or join

Luna is defending him hard. So its a pair or not imo

That means if thoth is town. A scum is prob on the wagon

Mag1cman wrote:

Thoth isn’t trying to place the wagon on someone else. It’s consistent with his post about playing DO1 to get a result down.

What do you mean?

Mikal wrote:

I would really like a claim from magic

If thoth is town. Likely one scum is on his lynch and I think that looks very good on luna for not being apart of it

If thoth flips scum then luna looks bad

I had a lot of pressure from thoth luna and Anna. So there could be a scum there trying to get a wagon going.

I really hope this game is just as simple as luna thoth but never that easy

If you think it’s Luna/Thoth, doesn’t make sense to get a claim from Magic.

Isnt that what I said lol

Mag1cman wrote:

Mikal wrote:

Magic is hitting my radar diff. Id like him to claim if hes willing.

241 - could be a way to narrow down poe to try and shoot power roles

254 - seems as if hes sheeping me but adjusting the logic to move to pie if thoth flips scum

We largely have the same thought process and something about it hits wrong.

We’re similar because we’re both town.

#241 is because while there’s ways Thoth should be scum here, the lack of trying to push the wagon into someone else is distinct from his past few scum games. Despite his poor refutation of my case, it’s one of the signs that says we could be heading down the wrong path. The other is Pie and Rex’s posts. You can argue Lunatic as well. Rex and just jump a wagon already started (Rex without the vote). And Lunatic very prepared for a town flip. I’d say the former two look worse.

That’s a fair point. He hasn’t started doing a counter wagon yet. But look at the previous game. He just went inactive and got replaced out and avoided the lynch that way

Mikal wrote:

I think scum luna would allow this to happen. He wouldn't even look scummy for being on it because there is me you and pie also on the idea of it.

Dont see scum luna not trying to push this. Even if for different reasons

I heavily disagree. Heavily. Luna as scum doesn’t kill the big fish either. He’s agnostic

But yeah gut is thoth luna pair or they are both town

I see an outside world where Lunas behavior is preparing for a thoth town flip as scum as magic mentioned but playing that way doesn't serve him. Would just be better to not post. Say hes asleep and allow thoth to die.

Defending him that hard either reads as they are both scum or both town