Frieren Mafia - DP1

If there’s a vanilla in this game that has a PM structured like Thoth’s, let us all know. Otherwise high odds of Thoth lynch on low time.

Two reminders since we're getting close to the end of the DP (just north of 3 hours left):

It's plurality voting. You do have the option to VTNL this DP if you wish. I may be out and about, but I will try to post the flip (assuming there is one) ASAP after it's decided.

The NP will be 24 hours, so make sure you submit your night actions within that window.

Re: #77

The bigger issue is that this post reveals he's conscious about when he appears online on Discord. I don't care about Discord activity, but being very conscious of your own Discord activity is scummy.

More like being conscious that I am awake when I often am not.

I remember Thoth always being weird, but the self-meta commentary, I haven't seen (or haven't noticed). Are there examples of him doing this as town?

I don't know. Are there any examples of me doing it as scum?

Gut says this feels honest, but the confidence that Whiteflame wouldn't kill him is a little scummy. Think about it like this: If Mikal's OGI is fake bc he's scum, no mod would punish that.

And we are going to ignore that this also applies to your self-admitted OGI on me?

The first sentence feels like it lands in "too scummy to be scum" territory. Like the type of thing so brazen scum wouldn't dare say it.

I can almost read this as you trying to buddy me given that lynching Thoth for memes sounds like what you would do.

I did pick up on the gambler's fallacy from Lunatic in #61, but I said nothing because I figured that Lunatic must have meant something else because he's not dumb enough to make that mistake, and, if he is, pointing it out ain't gonna help him.

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Thoth (2/5): Mikal (p#18), ILikePie5 (p#73)

Mikal (1/5): Thoth (p#16)

Banana (1/5): RexFavilla (p#19)

Magoroth (1/5): wylted (p#27)

ILikePie5 (1/5): Lunatic (p#234)

Not Voting (3): Banana (p#135), Mag1cman (p#239), Magoroth

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day phase ends in 3 hours.

Elaborate more the justification. Any thing else that describes those reasons?

Almost want to lynch him for info.

I think there are 3 possible scenarios

1) if thoth flips scum. Luna is prob scum

2) if thoth flips town. I think its likely magic is scum

3) mafia could be not posting and letting us drive off the cliff.

I do think one mafia was active in the game earlier. So got potentially not perfect reasons. I really think there is one between magic and luna.

We need something from the inactives. If they are not posting before the dp ends. There is nothing else to analyze. With 3 hours left, if nothing changes. Im fine with shooting thoth.

Largely because the lynch tells us information and even if he flips town. We hit a vanilla. Outside of that with the activity in this game. We are basically blind shooting and not sure i want to do that

His justification isn't bad per say. It doesn't speak to why he is vanilla but I can see a world where wf makes him vanilla because of how his role in the story works.

But for now it's prob a safer pick than trying to adjust last min and scramble

I’m fine with lynching Thoth for the info.

Crostobal Sifuentes: Vader

You are Cristobal Sifuentes! A savvy Bolivian mob boss, you clashed with the Chechen Mafia in Los Angeles and formed an alliance with NoHo Hank that developed into something more. After being captured and going through attempted brainwashing, Hank rescues him and they form a brief relationship that unites their two mob groups, only for you to be betrayed in the end. Since you slowly faded from relevance to the larger plot, you are Vanilla! You have no special abilities, but you have your vote and your voice.

You win with the Town.

from Barry Mafia. Whiteflame did have a vanilla justification.

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Thoth (2/5): Mikal (p#18), ILikePie5 (p#73)

Mikal (1/5): Thoth (p#16)

Banana (1/5): RexFavilla (p#19)

Magoroth (1/5): wylted (p#27)

ILikePie5 (1/5): Lunatic (p#234)

Not Voting (3): Banana (p#135), Mag1cman (p#239), Magoroth

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day phase ends in 3 hours.

Id be very surprised if there isn't 1 scum between thoth and magic

Magic would you be willing to claim?

If scum my first look is Lunatic, if town, Pie

You can trust me.

Magic is hitting my radar diff. Id like him to claim if hes willing.

241 - could be a way to narrow down poe to try and shoot power roles

254 - seems as if hes sheeping me but adjusting the logic to move to pie if thoth flips scum

We largely have the same thought process and something about it hits wrong.

I've softed already. I'm a town lock.

If you want me to trust you. I need you to claim. From that we have more poe

At this point thoth is prob dead. Just for being the best target. But id like to lock down that thought process

I buy his role pm structure and would like more info about it

How i perceive you really changes how I approach this game

Lunas iso was a direct bomb at me. Which is NAI and he pulls back after I saw him confirmable. Hes been hard stuck on this idea that a main character (even though that's not what was being said) could be vanilla. He hasn't entertained the idea of thoth being scum.

That really reads as derailing and trying to protect thoth. I believe both of them were on me at the start. Prob trying to make something happen

If thoth flips scum. Gut is Def saying luna is scum. If thoth flips town. I dont see a scum luna doing that. He'd go for the easy kill

More like being conscious that I am awake when I often am not.

That doesn’t mean anything when it comes to observing your own discord activity.

 don't know. Are there any examples of me doing it as scum?

not that I know of. Just feels theatrical

And we are going to ignore that this also applies to your self-admitted OGI on me?

I never had an OGI read on you. Was a bluff to improve my RVS.

I can almost read this as you trying to buddy me given that lynching Thoth for memes sounds like what you would do.

Huh?

I did pick up on the gambler's fallacy from Lunatic in #61, but I said nothing because I figured that Lunatic must have meant something else because he's not dumb enough to make that mistake, and, if he is, pointing it out ain't gonna help him.

Or it just benefits you not to say anything there.

I need thoth to talk more if we want to avoid this lynch or he's prob the target

But I do think if thoth is town. 1 scum between magic and pie

If thoth is scum. I think that puts luna in poe pretty hard.

Want to look at Anna next

I buy his role pm structure and would like more info about it

Then why lynch him if you buy it? We could also CFD to Pie, maybe Rex.

If you find reason to believe Thoth should be believed here, then there’s obviously people being opportunistic

Thoth isn’t trying to place the wagon on someone else. It’s consistent with his post about playing DO1 to get a result down.

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Thoth (2/5): Mikal (p#18), ILikePie5 (p#73)

Mikal (1/5): Thoth (p#16)

Banana (1/5): RexFavilla (p#19)

Magoroth (1/5): wylted (p#27)

ILikePie5 (1/5): Lunatic (p#234)

Not Voting (3): Banana (p#135), Mag1cman (p#239), Magoroth

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day phase ends in 3 hours.

I think if he were vanilla thats how we he would write it. I know im town

So his lynch gives us info about the wagon

And stops us from random lynching

Anna is so hard to read. She just gets offended when you read her as scum and tbh its nai

I would really like a claim from magic

If thoth is town. Likely one scum is on his lynch and I think that looks very good on luna for not being apart of it

If thoth flips scum then luna looks bad

I had a lot of pressure from thoth luna and Anna. So there could be a scum there trying to get a wagon going.

I really hope this game is just as simple as luna thoth but never that easy

Mikal wrote:

Magic is hitting my radar diff. Id like him to claim if hes willing.

241 - could be a way to narrow down poe to try and shoot power roles

254 - seems as if hes sheeping me but adjusting the logic to move to pie if thoth flips scum

We largely have the same thought process and something about it hits wrong.

We’re similar because we’re both town.

#241 is because while there’s ways Thoth should be scum here, the lack of trying to push the wagon into someone else is distinct from his past few scum games. Despite his poor refutation of my case, it’s one of the signs that says we could be heading down the wrong path. The other is Pie and Rex’s posts. You can argue Lunatic as well. Rex and just jump a wagon already started (Rex without the vote). And Lunatic very prepared for a town flip. I’d say the former two look worse.

Elaborate more the justification. Any thing else that describes those reasons?

There's nothing more for me to elaborate on. Anything more would basically be copy-pasting my role PM. It names some aspects about my character and then says I'm vanilla anyway. If that sounds like a notoriously Thothy claim, blame whiteflame.

I do think one mafia was active in the game earlier.

One mafia in the abstract, or do you have a specific person pegged?