Periodic Table of Elements Mafia - DP1

Kohai wrote:

RexFavilla wrote:

Like why not fake claim as a last resort if an actual wagon is building on you, and if you get ccd then whip out the inno child and explain it? Otherwise save it for later.

I may not be around to save myself

You should get a shabbos goy to hydra with.

RexFavilla wrote:

Hmmm, Kohai is being retarded might be up for killing him. Helz also strikes me as a bit scummy right now.

Can you be more specific? With current hindsight you were just shoving the now host confirmed IC and I know I am town but both had very vague reasoning.

Why should Kohai (or anyone else) clearly read you as town this early?

What about what I am doing is any sort of scummy?

Well now that you are our confirmed town what time you do have to provide direction would be appreciated. If nothing else that basic "Follow the sheriff" play is excellent for dealing with D1 and removing scums ability to control the elimination.

You also just massively shifted the dynamics of night actions in a way that I like by revealing.

Casey_Risk wrote:

Why do you give yourself these random challenges that don't improve your win odds? Whyyyyyyyy?

And here I thought people would have liked this one. I can play unhinged open town while just disregarding something thats super vague speculation to begin with at the downside of dealing with whatever awful meta of "Tell us this exact thing or die" that blew up in the towns face before (but not for a challenge)

Helz wrote:

You also just massively shifted the dynamics of night actions in a way that I like by revealing.

How so?

About half way done. Want to post some thoughts.

Thoth is a little odd. Could go either Town/Scum to be honest. I would assume Thoth will tell us if he has actions in the night, but in the mean time its something to bare in mind.

Whiteflame is pretty townie. Hes acting as I remember and is vibing with everyone.

Some are sussing Magoroth. I'm not really seeing it but maybe I will when I finish reading.

With a confirmed town revealed it changes everything. Redirectives could be diverted away from or onto them. Protectives and investigative could be on them or avoiding them. Mafia team will have to WIFOM going for killing a skilled town confirmed player or letting them run wild in day chat.

Its a massive difference from people randomly going off whatever reads they have as far as reads for alignment or roles. I personally feel having that this early strongly benefits town as this should be when town has the most power roles and 'should' outgun the Mafia

Helz wrote:

RexFavilla wrote:

Hmmm, Kohai is being retarded might be up for killing him. Helz also strikes me as a bit scummy right now.

Can you be more specific? With current hindsight you were just shoving the now host confirmed IC and I know I am town but both had very vague reasoning.

Just a vibe. You asking this is also kinda scummy ngl

Why should Kohai (or anyone else) clearly read you as town this early?

Because I'm town. Duh.

What about what I am doing is any sort of scummy?

Overexplaining yourself.

Looks like not much is new.

Kohai being confirmed is a god send. He always plays so bad that having that confirmed at least stops me from death tunneling him when he inevitably plays like shit. FYI if you used that off the rip and chose to activate it. You are so dumb lol

Until more is said. Still in the same spot. Thoth bugs me cus mostly fluff posting and I have a hard gut check on mag and wf as town.

Want to hear more from Connor and others.

Shinning entrance seems also scummy but same as kohai I struggle reading him. He usually posts so little. Its hard to get a read and he always dies and is town. while I hate his entry. Trauma is coming to mind lol

Rex also gives me town vibes. Playing kinda retarded and not reserved.

I also dislike bullish but that's just because of low effort. He usually seems more engaged as town from what I remember but he is also always busy

Town lock

Myself

Kohai

Town lean atm

Wf

Mag

Skep

Odd / scum

Bullish

Thoth

Neutral

Helz

Shining

Im sure im missing people but that's the ones that have stuck out to me in some way

RexFavilla wrote:

Helz wrote:

RexFavilla wrote:

Hmmm, Kohai is being retarded might be up for killing him. Helz also strikes me as a bit scummy right now.

Can you be more specific? With current hindsight you were just shoving the now host confirmed IC and I know I am town but both had very vague reasoning.

Just a vibe. You asking this is also kinda scummy ngl

Why should Kohai (or anyone else) clearly read you as town this early?

Because I'm town. Duh.

What about what I am doing is any sort of scummy?

Overexplaining yourself.

This reminds me of my first game. When someone kept throwing shade and when I kept asking for specifics they just wanted to stay vague.

What I see is a player refusing to explain themselves and saying me asking them to is scummy.

Then I am scummy because I explained myself.

Then their push on the now host confirmed town was reasonable for reasons they can not articulate.

Either they think Kohai is some mafia God or they are on some bullshit right here and could use some focus.

VTL: RexFavilla

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Magoroth (2/7): Thoth (p#19), Bullish (p#73)

RexFavilla (2/7): Kohai (p#139), Helz (p#222)

Mag1cman (1/7): Magoroth (p#3)

Helz (1/7): RexFavilla (p#124)

Not Voting (7): Banana, Casey_Risk, Lunatic, Mag1cman, Mikal, Shining, whiteflame

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day phase ends in 2 days, 11 hours.

Popping in for a minute. Just wanted to reply to a few things.

Mikal wrote:

Looks like not much is new.

Kohai being confirmed is a god send. He always plays so bad that having that confirmed at least stops me from death tunneling him when he inevitably plays like shit. FYI if you used that off the rip and chose to activate it. You are so dumb lol

Honestly this is part of the reason why I decided to claim early. I didn’t want to have another nasty fight with you. I wanted to deny scum an easy D1 mislynch / mispush.

There is a strong case to be made that I should have waited until I was pushed. The problems with that as I had already mentioned; 1) I may not be around to save myself; 2) I just made town waste half a day phase pushing me when I could have saved them a shit ton of time and effort.

Side note: I will admit that I am not the strongest player. I’ve played truly awful games but have also played some very decent ones. As most of you all know I am autistic and this has always been a challenge for me in mafia. I have hard times interacting with people, knowing how to fully express a read, and knownijg when to jump into a conversation. That gets me in trouble far more often than not.

Until more is said. Still in the same spot. Thoth bugs me cus mostly fluff posting and I have a hard gut check on mag and wf as town.

I agree with an early town lean on wf. Thoth I have no clue how to read.

Want to hear more from Connor and others.

Who’s Connor?

Shinning entrance seems also scummy but same as kohai I struggle reading him. He usually posts so little. Its hard to get a read and he always dies and is town. while I hate his entry. Trauma is coming to mind lol

Shinning is also very hard to read

Popping in for a minute. Just wanted to reply to a few things.

Mikal wrote:

Looks like not much is new.

Kohai being confirmed is a god send. He always plays so bad that having that confirmed at least stops me from death tunneling him when he inevitably plays like shit. FYI if you used that off the rip and chose to activate it. You are so dumb lol

Honestly this is part of the reason why I decided to claim early. I didn’t want to have another nasty fight with you. I wanted to deny scum an easy D1 mislynch / mispush.

There is a strong case to be made that I should have waited until I was pushed. The problems with that as I had already mentioned; 1) I may not be around to save myself; 2) I just made town waste half a day phase pushing me when I could have saved them a shit ton of time and effort.

Side note: I will admit that I am not the strongest player. I’ve played truly awful games but have also played some very decent ones. As most of you all know I am autistic and this has always been a challenge for me in mafia. I have hard times interacting with people, knowing how to fully express a read, and knownijg when to jump into a conversation. That gets me in trouble far more often than not.

Until more is said. Still in the same spot. Thoth bugs me cus mostly fluff posting and I have a hard gut check on mag and wf as town.

I agree with an early town lean on wf. Thoth I have no clue how to read.

Want to hear more from Connor and others.

Who’s Connor?

Shinning entrance seems also scummy but same as kohai I struggle reading him. He usually posts so little. Its hard to get a read and he always dies and is town. while I hate his entry. Trauma is coming to mind lol

Shinning is also very hard to read

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for now

Catching up

whiteflame wrote:

I sure hope you do, considering what life is made of

Eh, the elements themselves are important, but it's more about how they make up more complex molecules than about the elements themselves, particularly when you're talking about molecular biology and microbiology. It's an emphasis in many of the classes I took, just not usually the main one unless I'm in chemistry or physics

I hope you are town, because I am too dumb to know anything about this theme and am not sure I will be caring enough to research stuff to figure it out. Probably won't be able to spot fake claims and shit, so I am gonna take a lot of yours and others words for it when it comes to what claims are scummy or not.

Thoth wrote:

I've gotten a terrible gutread on Magoroth so far. There's nothing concrete to back it. Just an unease with how he's phrased certain things. Listen to me or don't, I don't care either way.

This isn't effective scum hunting. Having a gut read on someone being scummy is fine, but what are you doing with it? Put pressure on them, ask them questions, make 'em squirm.

whiteflame wrote:

Magoroth wrote:

Thoth wrote:

whiteflame wrote:

Either makes sense. Depends on the roles in play.

Have you ever seen 9-4?

I have. My first MS game. People did not know 9/4 was possible. Town was at MyLo D3. Granted, the setup was very interesting.

Mafia Loyal Vigilante

Mafia Simple Doctor

Traitor

and some other role I can’t remember rn.

Cant and wouldn’t dismiss a 9-4 setup, even if I think it’s unlikely.

9-4 would be fucking insane, I am hoping its 10-3

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Magoroth (2/7): Thoth (p#19), Bullish (p#73)

Mag1cman (1/7): Magoroth (p#3)

RexFavilla (1/7): Helz (p#222)

Helz (1/7): RexFavilla (p#124)

Not Voting (8): Banana, Casey_Risk, Kohai (p#226), Lunatic, Mag1cman, Mikal, Shining, whiteflame

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day phase ends in 2 days, 10 hours.

Mag and Thoth are giving me bad vibes

Lynching thoth for the fourth game in a row feel a bit mean lol

Mag1cman wrote:

Magoroth feels night and day from the last game. thinking he's town atm

Can I get something specific for why you feel this way? I just did an ISO of his posts up until page 4 where you posted this and nothing about him jumped out to me as extremely townie. What am I missing?

Mag1cman wrote:

Again, you weren’t there for for last game, where we lynched Magoroth on the basis of him being less active as scum. And I did do the MAGA Mafia ISO on Magoroth. I’m not seeing any damning similarities.

So because he made a couple of one liners he qualifies as being considerably less active and therefor town? I mean usually mago is pretty damn active in general, so I am assuming his real life issues from last game are NAI.

Helz wrote:

Do you disagree that it looks like faking a read when they referance vague meta on a game where Mag had only 4 posts the entire game?

I have no idea how you could possibly have a meta position on 4 posts. I do however regularly see scum push vague reads with things like meta in order to appear as hunting.

^^^

Mag1cman wrote:

Helz wrote:

Mag1cman wrote:

Again, you weren’t there for for last game, where we lynched Magoroth on the basis of him being less active as scum. And I did do the MAGA Mafia ISO on Magoroth. I’m not seeing any damning similarities.

Yeah, I was not in that game and I have not read it. Im just saying its really sus for you to be pushing a meta comparison referenced as their behavior for an entire game that apparently in reality is 4 individual posts.

It gives the impression as being something it certainly is not to the point I question if this was a fake read and you were throwing vague shade but forgot that detail and got called on it.

You’re framing it like I could not have extracted a meta read when he only gave four posts last game. But that is the meta. He posts less when mafia. I’m not saying he posts as little as four posts every scum game he’s ever played, but look at this game: He’s one of the early drivers of activity this far. Contrasts his scum meta, therefore an early town read is warranted.

This is not a hip fire read. It’s observable and proven.

1. He was active in debatecraft players mafia where he was scum
2. Where is this activity drive you are talking about? I literally don't see it from an entire ISO. I am so confused

I'm signing off, so I'll keep my reads light for tonight, come back tomorrow and do some deeper dives.

Town: Kohai

Slight town: Magoroth, Thoth

Null: Helz, Bullish, Casey, Luna, Mikal, Shining, Mag1c

N/A: Banana

Slight scum: Rex

Lunatic wrote:

whiteflame wrote:

I sure hope you do, considering what life is made of

Eh, the elements themselves are important, but it's more about how they make up more complex molecules than about the elements themselves, particularly when you're talking about molecular biology and microbiology. It's an emphasis in many of the classes I took, just not usually the main one unless I'm in chemistry or physics

I hope you are town, because I am too dumb to know anything about this theme and am not sure I will be caring enough to research stuff to figure it out. Probably won't be able to spot fake claims and shit, so I am gonna take a lot of yours and others words for it when it comes to what claims are scummy or not.

Funny thing is, you know even if I'm scum that I'll likely be telling the truth enough of the time that you can trust what I'm saying, but we'll have to see what the claims look like.

9-4 would be fucking insane, I am hoping its 10-3

I'd bet on 10-3 or 9-3-1.

Mikal wrote:

Mago is active. Someone mentioned last game he is inactive as scum and active as town and hes already posted more this game. If this meta is true then it points to a good feeling. But I agree with magic. Night and day from last game so far just given hes engaging

WTF why is everyone saying this