Periodic Table of Elements Mafia - DP5

Kill me if you want. We are in absolute Lylo from everything I see but the game will be on you.

Helz wrote:

I figure the town is about to throw it. There is no possible reason on the planet I would claim something that looks so bad if I was scum. Or why I would reveal such information in a side chat. Its just absurd. So I think this is the play-

VTL: Bullish

Its absolutely Bullish and Shining. The game is totally locked up. Do not over complicate it obsessing over details and ignoring the obvious basic things in front of you

Dude, if you expect us to buy what you're selling, you'd be a lot more engaged with the points we're making. The lack of discussion about the mechanics of your night actions, the inconsistencies in your statement that you'd full claimed, the decision to claim something different in chat with Thoth... what should we be buying here, exactly? That you're behaviorally town? I'll give you that you've looked good since the start of the game, but this is ridiculous.

Helz wrote:

Kill me if you want. We are in absolute Lylo from everything I see but the game will be on you.

Lol, if you think this is on us at this point, then we've gone into seriously ridiculous territory at this point. I've made the case extensively for why I don't trust your claim. You've been almost entirely unresponsive. I've even held off on actually putting down a vote and have told others to hold off. But no, this is clearly on everyone but you.

Wake me up when you want to end this bro.

whiteflame wrote:

Helz wrote:

I figure the town is about to throw it. There is no possible reason on the planet I would claim something that looks so bad if I was scum. Or why I would reveal such information in a side chat. Its just absurd. So I think this is the play-

VTL: Bullish

Its absolutely Bullish and Shining. The game is totally locked up. Do not over complicate it obsessing over details and ignoring the obvious basic things in front of you

Dude, if you expect us to buy what you're selling, you'd be a lot more engaged with the points we're making. The lack of discussion about the mechanics of your night actions, the inconsistencies in your statement that you'd full claimed, the decision to claim something different in chat with Thoth... what should we be buying here, exactly? That you're behaviorally town? I'll give you that you've looked good since the start of the game, but this is ridiculous.

What are you even talking about the lack of discussion about the mechanics of my night actions? I have been super clear. There has been no ambiguity and I do not understand what you are even thinking about there.

And I did full claim. Im sorry that the majority of the entire global mafia community does not make flavor AI and I brush it off. I still really do think I claimed my flavor and I do not even understand why you are being weird about the term 'full claim' given that you should recognize that. I gave every detail about my role and thats a 'full claim' in almost every site on the planet but here apparently even before considering how much I disregard flavor.

Really think about this. Why would I make such a stupid lie if I was scum? What possible sense does it make?

whiteflame wrote:

Helz wrote:

Kill me if you want. We are in absolute Lylo from everything I see but the game will be on you.

Lol, if you think this is on us at this point, then we've gone into seriously ridiculous territory at this point. I've made the case extensively for why I don't trust your claim. You've been almost entirely unresponsive. I've even held off on actually putting down a vote and have told others to hold off. But no, this is clearly on everyone but you.

Name one thing I have not responded to? A single thing

Shining wrote:

Wake me up when you want to end this bro.

You can go ahead and vote, dude. I'm down to explore this to whatever extent I can with regards to Thoth, but Helz is the obvious lynch.

whiteflame wrote:

Shining wrote:

Wake me up when you want to end this bro.

You can go ahead and vote, dude. I'm down to explore this to whatever extent I can with regards to Thoth, but Helz is the obvious lynch.

I really do think your town and you are totally fucking the town turning your brain off and going off your gut feelings here.

Automated Vote Count

This vote count was generated by the mafia vote bot.

Bullish (1/3): Helz (p#87)

Not Voting (4): Bullish, Shining (p#45), Thoth, whiteflame

With 5 players alive, it takes 3 to lynch. Day phase ends in 1 day, 12 hours.

What are you even talking about the lack of discussion about the mechanics of my night actions? I have been super clear. There has been no ambiguity and I do not understand what you are even thinking about there.

See below. I've tagged you in two separate posts about it.

And I did full claim. Im sorry that the majority of the entire global mafia community does not make flavor AI and I brush it off. I still really do think I claimed my flavor and I do not even understand why you are being weird about the term 'full claim' given that you should recognize that. I gave every detail about my role and thats a 'full claim' in almost every site on the planet but here apparently even before considering how much I disregard flavor.

This is the most absurd part of your entire argument since I have literally never sussed you or anyone else in this game based on flavor. No one has said there's something wrong with you claiming Nitrogen except Thoth, since you apparently claimed something else to him, and he somehow townreads you anyway. The idea that we're throwing the book at you over flavor is such an absurd strawman.

Really think about this. Why would I make such a stupid lie if I was scum? What possible sense does it make?

I won't pretend to know or try to interpret how you thought this role claim would work in your favor. It's baffling, but if you thought you could sell multiple redirection roles being in the game for long enough, absolutely it could work. It's the reason I'm only getting into so much of how it works now.

Name one thing I have not responded to? A single thing

Post #89. Separated the specific points out for your reading pleasure from post #71.

I really do think your town and you are totally fucking the town turning your brain off and going off your gut feelings here.

If you think this is gut feelings, then you seriously aren't reading.

I do not know what you are smoking but I never claimed anything else to Thoth. I thought I flatly claimed my flavor. If I am wrong there I am wrong but there is not contradiction where I claimed something else to Thoth

Im not even seeing a question here. Just an accusation that I said something I never did based upon a bad assumption.

I really do think I did claim my flavor but same as you and everyone else on this site I am too lazy to dig for it. If I am wrong I am wrong. And its a really stupid lie to the point its not even AI. Why would I lie about such a thing? If I was scum I could simply know every person has claimed whatever element and do anything I wanted. Think about this. There is zero reason for me to do something so illogical as scum.

Maybe just at the very least hear out Thoth before killing me. But 1000% its exactly Bullish and Shining for the scum team

Thoth, you said "Yes" to "Did Helz full claim to you?", but later you said "Helz did not claim Nitrogen in our chat."

Full claim means character AND role claim. What exactly did Helz claim to you?

You are about to throw the entire game over a really mindless assumption and you can not even articulate direct problems

Bullish wrote:

Thoth, you said "Yes" to "Did Helz full claim to you?", but later you said "Helz did not claim Nitrogen in our chat."

Full claim means character AND role claim. What exactly did Helz claim to you?

It means that on this site. And probably only on this site. Because flavor being some huge factor in games is not a normal thing in the majority of other sites around the planet.

I'm ready to end this.

Helz wrote:

I do not know what you are smoking but I never claimed anything else to Thoth. I thought I flatly claimed my flavor. If I am wrong there I am wrong but there is not contradiction where I claimed something else to Thoth

Thoth said in post #76:

Helz did not claim Nitrogen in our chat.

Is this your first time character claiming even inside of your chat, or did you claim something else there? Which is it? Because Thoth is saying he'll confirm what you say. Did you wait until this DP to claim your character anywhere at all, which is a baffling choice when you were townreading Thoth, or did you claim something different?

Im not even seeing a question here. Just an accusation that I said something I never did based upon a bad assumption.

I can only post the same thing so many times. You can either choose to read it and respond, or you can refuse. It's not an accusation, I'm explaining why your night action does not make sense based on the available information we have. Make it make sense.

Bullish wrote:

Thoth, you said "Yes" to "Did Helz full claim to you?", but later you said "Helz did not claim Nitrogen in our chat."

Full claim means character AND role claim. What exactly did Helz claim to you?

Helz told me that he was 2x Rolestopper. He didn't mention his element, but I assumed he had already mentioned it somewhere, hence why I called that a full-claim. Now that I'm re-reading this more carefully, though, Helz did say in our chat that his challenge this game was to not talk about flavor, so that may be why he didn't claim Nitrogen anywhere.

Thoth wrote:

Bullish wrote:

Thoth, you said "Yes" to "Did Helz full claim to you?", but later you said "Helz did not claim Nitrogen in our chat."

Full claim means character AND role claim. What exactly did Helz claim to you?

Helz told me that he was 2x Rolestopper. He didn't mention his element, but I assumed he had already mentioned it somewhere, hence why I called that a full-claim. Now that I'm re-reading this more carefully, though, Helz did say in our chat that his challenge this game was to not talk about flavor, so that may be why he didn't claim Nitrogen anywhere.

So he literally didn't claim his character anywhere until this DP. Not in chat with you, not in public here, and he outright told you that the reason he didn't do so was because of a challenge he set for himself. Then he posted repeatedly in here that he already had full claimed, despite never having done so. And he specifically called his role Rolestopper despite now saying that the role doesn't have a name. Do I have that correct?

I think you're overestimating your ability to draw others into your bluff, man. I understand wanting to believe that what you did here was proof positive, but it's not that good of a bluff and it's easy enough for someone to see through. If I was in there, I wouldn't have bought it.

Wouldn't S!whiteflame, if he correctly called that bluff, try to get me turbolynched in hopes that nobody in the thread would buy my, "it was just master baiting", excuse?

I really don't like this. You were outright willing to claim your role. Why are you so skittish about a claim from Helz who either lied to you or lied to us?

I'm not skittish. It just seems to me like the person with a role should be the one to claim as long as they are alive. Kinda rude to claim on someone's behalf.

whiteflame wrote:

Is this your first time character claiming even inside of your chat, or did you claim something else there? Which is it? Because Thoth is saying he'll confirm what you say. Did you wait until this DP to claim your character anywhere at all, which is a baffling choice when you were townreading Thoth, or did you claim something different?

I do not think so. I think I said it in public chat before. I could be wrong. But no, I did not claim flavor in my chat with Thoth and I flatly voiced I do not want to think about or deal with that cancer in my life this game before the game even started.

whiteflame wrote:

So he literally didn't claim his character anywhere until this DP. Not in chat with you, not in public here,

This appears to be correct.

and he outright told you that the reason he didn't do so was because of a challenge he set for himself.

Yes, but I had forgotten about the challenge and missed it when I read through our chat earlier this day phase.

Then he posted repeatedly in here that he already had full claimed, despite never having done so.

Maybe he has a different idea of what full-claiming means than you do.

And he specifically called his role Rolestopper despite now saying that the role doesn't have a name. Do I have that correct?

He did not use the term Rolestopper in our chat. He called it Vaporizer based on the justification, but said that name was not used in his DM, nor was Rolestopper. He then said that he was given a flavor name, which I figure means his role name (like Doctor, Tracker) but did not want to say it because of his self-imposed challenge. Why would he call it Vaporizer and bring up his justification but then decline to give his role's name? Your guess is as good as mine.

Thoth wrote:

I think you're overestimating your ability to draw others into your bluff, man. I understand wanting to believe that what you did here was proof positive, but it's not that good of a bluff and it's easy enough for someone to see through. If I was in there, I wouldn't have bought it.

Wouldn't S!whiteflame, if he correctly called that bluff, try to get me turbolynched in hopes that nobody in the thread would buy my, "it was just master baiting", excuse?

Absolutely fucking not. I'd see all your posts about how I'm town as fuck and try to keep you alive as long as possible so you'd vote with me. I'd have earned your trust, why would I turbolynch you?

I really don't like this. You were outright willing to claim your role. Why are you so skittish about a claim from Helz who either lied to you or lied to us?

I'm not skittish. It just seems to me like the person with a role should be the one to claim as long as they are alive. Kinda rude to claim on someone's behalf.

You're in here now saying that he never claimed. So it's somehow "kinda rude to claim" that he'd never stated his character in chat and had actively given you his role by name. Seriously?

After the elimination had already happened I revealed to Thoth that I was 2x and they asked about my role. I told them what I have which is not a name but that I vaporize.

Helz wrote:

whiteflame wrote:

Is this your first time character claiming even inside of your chat, or did you claim something else there? Which is it? Because Thoth is saying he'll confirm what you say. Did you wait until this DP to claim your character anywhere at all, which is a baffling choice when you were townreading Thoth, or did you claim something different?

I do not think so. I think I said it in public chat before. I could be wrong. But no, I did not claim flavor in my chat with Thoth and I flatly voiced I do not want to think about or deal with that cancer in my life this game before the game even started.

You are objectively wrong. It's not a "could be wrong" scenario, we can all check this. You can check this at your leisure. Anytime you want. If you want to put this all down to your decision to challenge yourself, be my guest, but at least own what you did. Stop pretending you thought you did something else.

whiteflame wrote:

You're in here now saying that he never claimed. So it's somehow "kinda rude to claim" that he'd never stated his character in chat and had actively given you his role by name. Seriously?

Nani? Helz full-claimed his role and justification to me. I was under the impression that he had probably claimed his element in public earlier and did not check. That's why I said earlier this DP that Helz had full-claimed to me.

WF. Get to your point. You are acting like I have not been up front with things and I have been nothing but honest. Please do not ruin this for the town. Its as simple as Shining/Bullish