I'm fine with pushing Rex for a character claim to start and for some reads. I get not wanting to follow Mikal's lead, but at this point, being frustrated about it doesn't help us come to a decision and we don't have enough behavioral information from him to work from.
VTL: RexFavilla
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RexFavilla (3/6): Ultracrepidarian (p#375), Helz (p#394), whiteflame (p#421)
MeowMix (2/6): ILikePie5 (p#391), Mikal (p#408)
wylted (1/6): MeowMix (p#216)
Mikal (1/6): RexFavilla (p#378)
Not Voting (3): Thoth, Wryly, wylted (p#320)
With 10 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day phase ends in 19 hours.
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RexFavilla wrote:
Town really has to stop rolling over and letting Mikal snowball effect them into whatever he wants as scum. Even if 20% of each page is his posts, he still only has one vote. Lynch me and lose if you want, I'm not cooperating with a mass claim lead by my top scum read which nobody else can even articulate a good reason for doing.
I explained why I was willing to do it in #338. I am willing to feel stupid for doing it if you can tell me why it was a bad idea.
Mikal wrote:
Actually before he starts bleeding heart on some stupid shit and says I have some bad intentuon when we literally know thoth is town now.
Im mason and in a pm with pie
He can validate
But yes there is genuine validity with how many people have already claimed.
What's the justification for Indians being a mason?
If REF refuses and we mislynch, tomorrow may be MYLO, so just force him to full claim first. Helz needs to claim right now tho
ILikePie5 wrote:
If REF refuses and we mislynch, tomorrow may be MYLO, so just force him to full claim first. Helz needs to claim right now tho
It's very odd that Helz seemed agreeable to claiming and then just didn't. There's more behaviorally to read with him, but that stood out.
I said the same thing to pie in the mason chat
The super short tldr is that we are fucking annoying and there are millions lf us in call centers that constantly plague people with non stop calls and spam. So I can call someone each night.
I’ll say my one hesitation with Mikal is that there’s nothing about scammers or taking our jobs or something like that. Call centers go hand in hand with with scamming
wylted wrote:
If you are black can I assume a lynch activated role?
I'mma need you guys to take my participation in this game to the grave
Mikal wrote:
The super short tldr is that we are fucking annoying and there are millions lf us in call centers that constantly plague people with non stop calls and spam. So I can call someone each night.
Yeah that passes the smell test
Can you character claim plz
Wryly wrote:
Can you character claim plz
After Helz, I will.
My one hesitation with a mass claim was that scum might just straight claim while paranoid townies might hesitate, so reluctance to claim might not be the best indicator of scumminess. In fact, this mass claim could be a way for scum to gin up votes against townies. Since no one seemed to have any better ideas I figured fuck it, but Idk if I'm gonna take reluctance to claim as a smoking gun.
whiteflame wrote:
I'm fine with pushing Rex for a character claim to start and for some reads. I get not wanting to follow Mikal's lead, but at this point, being frustrated about it doesn't help us come to a decision and we don't have enough behavioral information from him to work from.
VTL: RexFavilla
I'll give my reads, but I'm not claiming on principle. If you want to lynch me over that you can lose the game. But I don't subscribe to the idea that getting three players to start a snowball mass claim, bullying two more to claim, and then using that as pressure to force it through one player at a time is play that demands cooperation from every town player. I'd also support Helz not claiming. I've claimed before when I saw a pro town reason to do so. I see zero reason to do so here.
1. Ultra
Lean scum at this point. He feels similar to Mikal - boneless and opportunistic. I've been giving him time but I've seen zero sincere scumhunting from him.
2. MeowMix (Magoroth)
Lean town. I mostly asked for his read on Helz because he's the only player that Meow has experience with and it's difficult to gauge a player I don't know. I liked his response.
3. Rex
Painfully obvious town.
4. Whiteflame
Slight lean town. I think his arguments on Mikal hold water, I've liked his reasoning. But he's capable of faking that so it's hard for me to town read him further.
5.Thoth
Lean scum. I saw something in DP1 that made me suspect he and Mikal could be scum team distancing. I asked him directly for his thoughts on Mikal and he ghosted the question. This made me scum read both him and Mikal more. His claim can be tested today, but until it is I'm doubtful. Even if it is, it's a role that could be TP.
6. Pie
Null. He has done literally nothing but push for claims for a while now. It's bizarre play from him, feels completely devoid of scumhunting. But he also claims to be busy, not sure if he's just lending his weight to another player cause he doesn't have time or coasting along as scum.
7.Mikal
Scum. His play heavily reminds me of last game. Attempting to strongarm town into antitown play, sheeping other player's reasoning, and scumhunting that just feels weak and flacid. Giving me big ick.
8.Wryly
Town. She just feels town, like she's trying to figure out the game and find cracks in the setup.
9.Helz
Null. Was town reading Helz but him going along with the mass claim pressure given his stated philosophy on the matter strikes me as opportunistic and highly out of character.
10.Wylted (Casey)
Null. I have difficulty reading Wylted and only having pretty much one DP to go on doesn't help.
To go along with my statement about Banana, here is a list of players who stated their wincon last DP who could have been scum worried about being lie detected and so killed her over it:
I was surprised to find only two who actually posted it using ctrl + f on each page. I think we should lynch between these two, and at this point I think both might be scum. Helz especially because he tried to downplay my observation about this without addressing the actual argument at all.
VTL: Helz
Wryly wrote:
RexFavilla wrote:
Town really has to stop rolling over and letting Mikal snowball effect them into whatever he wants as scum. Even if 20% of each page is his posts, he still only has one vote. Lynch me and lose if you want, I'm not cooperating with a mass claim lead by my top scum read which nobody else can even articulate a good reason for doing.
I explained why I was willing to do it in #338. I am willing to feel stupid for doing it if you can tell me why it was a bad idea.
Scum is equipped to know whether it is a bad idea or not. We are in the dark as town. Do you trust Mikal? Do you town lock him? I think he's scum, so I think he's pushing it because it's antitown.
ILikePie5 wrote:
Wryly wrote:
Can you character claim plz
After Helz, I will.
Why wait
RexFavilla wrote:
Wryly wrote:
I explained why I was willing to do it in #338. I am willing to feel stupid for doing it if you can tell me why it was a bad idea.
Scum is equipped to know whether it is a bad idea or not. We are in the dark as town. Do you trust Mikal? Do you town lock him? I think he's scum, so I think he's pushing it because it's antitown.
I neither trust or town lock him, but we are approaching a deadline and have made little progress.
Wryly wrote:
RexFavilla wrote:
Wryly wrote:
I explained why I was willing to do it in #338. I am willing to feel stupid for doing it if you can tell me why it was a bad idea.
Scum is equipped to know whether it is a bad idea or not. We are in the dark as town. Do you trust Mikal? Do you town lock him? I think he's scum, so I think he's pushing it because it's antitown.
I neither trust or town lock him, but we are approaching a deadline and have made little progress.
We've made zero progress because a whole day was wasted pressuring every single town player to claim for no discernable reason. Does that seem pro-town to you?
Do you think my Banana argument holds water? I found only two players who stated 'I win with the town', a statement she could lie detect. Mikal and Helz. Don't you think that's pretty damning? That she only had two targets to lie detect and so they were highly motivated to kill her because one or both could be scum? Why kill her so early otherwise when she was widely scumread DP1?
RexFavilla wrote:
Do you think my Banana argument holds water? I found only two players who stated 'I win with the town', a statement she could lie detect. Mikal and Helz. Don't you think that's pretty damning? That she only had two targets to lie detect and so they were highly motivated to kill her because one or both could be scum? Why kill her so early otherwise when she was widely scumread DP1?
I think it does. But I think I also something like it’s the same as yours, which could also be used. Double check if people said something similar.
Ive been wanting to go after Helz for a bit, but no one seemed to join in. Mikal I think we can resolve tomorrow. I have my concerns with him which I stated publically. There’s also another concern I have with what he said DP1 regarding forcing a role to say something.
Wryly wrote:
ILikePie5 wrote:
Wryly wrote:
Can you character claim plz
After Helz, I will.
Why wait
cause I scumread him
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RexFavilla (3/6): Ultracrepidarian (p#375), Helz (p#394), whiteflame (p#421)
MeowMix (2/6): ILikePie5 (p#391), Mikal (p#408)
wylted (1/6): MeowMix (p#216)
Helz (1/6): RexFavilla (p#435)
Not Voting (3): Thoth, Wryly, wylted (p#320)
With 10 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day phase ends in 18 hours.
In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.
VTL: Helz
RexFavilla wrote:
Do you think my Banana argument holds water? I found only two players who stated 'I win with the town', a statement she could lie detect. Mikal and Helz. Don't you think that's pretty damning? That she only had two targets to lie detect and so they were highly motivated to kill her because one or both could be scum? Why kill her so early otherwise when she was widely scumread DP1?
Pretty sure I also answered her. But I think the they-panicked-and-NK'd-her scenario is just one of several ways it could've played out, and they're all equally likely.
1) They caught on to her immediately and avoided answering.
2) They caught on to her immediately and answered anyway.
3) They answered before realizing she was a Lie Detector.
4) They avoided answering under general principal and then later realized she could be a Lie Detector.
As to 1), it's the safe bet: even if you plan to NK her, she could be doctored or bodyguarded and survive to report her results.
As to 2), maybe you're confident you can NK her and you answer her question to make yourself look innocent in hindsight.
3) is your panic-and-kill-her scenario. 4) is possible also.
I'm not certain which of these occurred but I am confident they killed her because they smelled a Lie Detector.
ILikePie5 wrote:
Wryly wrote:
ILikePie5 wrote:
Wryly wrote:
Can you character claim plz
After Helz, I will.
Why wait
cause I scumread him
Have you claimed to Mikal
RexFavilla wrote:
We've made zero progress because a whole day was wasted pressuring every single town player to claim for no discernable reason. Does that seem pro-town to you?
It could definitely be scum!Mikal up to something or it could just be a genuine effort to flush scum out. I'm on the fence. I do think Mikal's role justification more or less fits his claimed character, and we do have role confirmation on him.
Is this mass claim meant to break the setup or something?
In the spirit of pride month I'd like to celebrate wylted opening up homosexually to Lunatic, although in the future maybe just send him a pic of you in drag bro.
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RexFavilla (3/6): Ultracrepidarian (p#375), Helz (p#394), whiteflame (p#421)
Helz (2/6): RexFavilla (p#435), ILikePie5 (p#444)
MeowMix (1/6): Mikal (p#408)
wylted (1/6): MeowMix (p#216)
Not Voting (3): Thoth, Wryly, wylted (p#320)
With 10 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day phase ends in 17 hours.
In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.
