Stereotype Mafia DP4

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Ultracrepidarian (3/5): ILikePie5 (p#416), Mikal (p#417), Helz (p#419)

No Lynch (1/5): MeowMix (p#407)

MeowMix (1/5): RexFavilla (p#179)

Not Voting (3): Ultracrepidarian, whiteflame, Wryly (p#44)

With 8 players alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day phase ends in 1 day, 16 hours.

Plz vote

A day and a half left.

I do not see scum pretending to not be able to vote in that time line and I do not see this flipping town

I suspect Ultra, but I would rather vote MeowMix or Mikal. I feel like Mikal and MeowMix may be trying to shift the vote to the scummate who is just dead weight, and I would rather they have that dead weight on them at MYLO and lose a functional scummate instead. Also I still don't have Pie's claim and just in case there's a world where I'm dead wrong about Ultra, I would rather put my vote on the one I'm most sure of, and that's MeowMix.

I'll still vote Ultra if there's no chance of a MeowMix lynch going through, but it's bad strategy imo.

Wryly wrote:

I suspect Ultra, but I would rather vote MeowMix or Mikal. I feel like Mikal and MeowMix may be trying to shift the vote to the scummate who is just dead weight, and I would rather they have that dead weight on them at MYLO and lose a functional scummate instead. Also I still don't have Pie's claim and just in case there's a world where I'm dead wrong about Ultra, I would rather put my vote on the one I'm most sure of, and that's MeowMix.

I'll still vote Ultra if there's no chance of a MeowMix lynch going through, but it's bad strategy imo.

You don’t have to worry about my claim. I will tell Helz tonight in case I die. If you feel Ultra is town, then I would like for you to explain it. Before I die tonight, I’ll also leave my final will to Helz on who I think is scum and what to pay attention for.

"I can prove myself tomorrow" is a refrain that has no credit with you. I want your claim now. We all claimed except you. Meet me in the middle here man. That you're not even gonna tell Helz until night phase is troubling in itself. Does this mean you haven't claimed to Mikal or whiteflame?

As for Ultra, it's conspicuous to me that neither MeowMix or Mikal ever went for him even though he's LHF. I mean wylted was a target that would at least fight back. So I think he's scum. That doesn't mean I'm positive, and my point that I want his dead weight on the scum team stands.

ILikePie5 wrote:

Plz vote

No.

Wryly wrote:

"I can prove myself tomorrow" is a refrain that has no credit with you. I want your claim now. We all claimed except you. Meet me in the middle here man. That you're not even gonna tell Helz until night phase is troubling in itself. Does this mean you haven't claimed to Mikal or whiteflame?

Not tomorrow, tonight in my Mason chat with Helz. Yes I haven’t claimed yet per Helz’s wishes. I offered to claim whenever he wanted me to

VTL: Helz

MeowMix wrote:

VTL: Helz

Lol

VTL: ILikePie5

Sorry ^^; I'm just so indecisive.

MeowMix wrote:

Sorry ^^; I'm just so indecisive.

Hard to be decisive when it comes to liking pie

VTL: Helz

Actually this feels right.

Can anyone show me the vote counts? I hope we aren't about to hammer Helz.

ILikePie5 wrote:

Wryly wrote:

"I can prove myself tomorrow" is a refrain that has no credit with you. I want your claim now. We all claimed except you. Meet me in the middle here man. That you're not even gonna tell Helz until night phase is troubling in itself. Does this mean you haven't claimed to Mikal or whiteflame?

Not tomorrow, tonight in my Mason chat with Helz. Yes I haven’t claimed yet per Helz’s wishes. I offered to claim whenever he wanted me to

Tonight as in after the day phase is over?

It would be silly for us to hammer a confirmed town. How many votes are on him?

Wryly wrote:

ILikePie5 wrote:

Wryly wrote:

"I can prove myself tomorrow" is a refrain that has no credit with you. I want your claim now. We all claimed except you. Meet me in the middle here man. That you're not even gonna tell Helz until night phase is troubling in itself. Does this mean you haven't claimed to Mikal or whiteflame?

Not tomorrow, tonight in my Mason chat with Helz. Yes I haven’t claimed yet per Helz’s wishes. I offered to claim whenever he wanted me to

Tonight as in after the day phase is over?

Yes.

You've pulled that before i'm afraid.

Let me get done and at my computer.

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Ultracrepidarian (3/5): ILikePie5 (p#416), Mikal (p#417), Helz (p#419)

Helz (1/5): MeowMix (p#435)

MeowMix (1/5): RexFavilla (p#179)

Not Voting (3): Ultracrepidarian, whiteflame, Wryly (p#44)

With 8 players alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day phase ends in 1 day, 15 hours.

Wryly wrote:

You've pulled that before i'm afraid.

Let me get done and at my computer.

I can’t lol, I’ll claim whenever Helz wants. Convince him

What exactly is the holdup on MeowMix? In what way does Ultra seem a higher priority lynch here? If he's scum, he's not even active. But we all agree MeowMix's claim smells bad. We all seem to find it suspicious that his second target was whiteflame, a point he has only weakly engaged and for the most part avoided. He even stalled when pressed on which claim of whiteflame's he had chosen. My character cop shows Rex is Canadians. No one has made an effective case for how my cop was interfered with or why I am scum.

What do we have on Ultra? He's been inactive, his claim is bland, his posts have been lackluster. The strongest indicator to me is that the people in my POE have avoided targeting him even though he's easy meat, but the rest of you don't even share that POE. I don't think these evidence piles are equal. I think MeowMix's is bigger.

If we suspect both of these people, we should target active scum over inactive scum. Doing otherwise doesn't make sense to me.

I’m fine with letting this discussion play out so I won’t post a vote just yet. That being said, both Ultra and Meow are scum from where I’m sitting by a combination of POE and a lot of problems with both their claims. I get Wryly’s point about Meow in particular, but as I called out as the reason I was VTLing Ultra in DP2, it’s not just an issue of a bland claim and lack of presence in this and the previous DP. Ultra’s Vanilla claim isn’t the problem, it’s the specifics beyond that. No one else has claimed a generation subset as their character, posting an AI-generated version that conspicuously lacked text present in everyone else’s Vanilla justification, and then justifying it by saying that he fed it random pieces of his PM that conveniently excluded it. Dude doesn’t have a lot of posts to read, but a lot of them stand out, as does his almost complete lack of reads in the two DPs he showed up for.

Wryly wrote:

What exactly is the holdup on MeowMix? In what way does Ultra seem a higher priority lynch here? If he's scum, he's not even active. But we all agree MeowMix's claim smells bad. We all seem to find it suspicious that his second target was whiteflame, a point he has only weakly engaged and for the most part avoided. He even stalled when pressed on which claim of whiteflame's he had chosen. My character cop shows Rex is Canadians. No one has made an effective case for how my cop was interfered with or why I am scum.

What do we have on Ultra? He's been inactive, his claim is bland, his posts have been lackluster. The strongest indicator to me is that the people in my POE have avoided targeting him even though he's easy meat, but the rest of you don't even share that POE. I don't think these evidence piles are equal. I think MeowMix's is bigger.

If we suspect both of these people, we should target active scum over inactive scum. Doing otherwise doesn't make sense to me.

The idea is that solving Ultra solves the 50/50 between REF and Meow. Both believe that Ultra is scum, so logically both would be bussing their partner. We know based on wagonomics that if Ultra was town, the lynch should’ve gone through especially with WF (who is at worse a TP) and Wylted on the wagon. I know I’m town, so that’s 3. 4th is REF, who you believe is town. Scum had the opportunity to use their leverage and hammer there, which no one would’ve faulted, but they didn’t, unless Ultra is scum.

If Ultra flips scum, REF is basically confirmed town and we lynch Meow, no questions asked

Wryly wrote:

What exactly is the holdup on MeowMix? In what way does Ultra seem a higher priority lynch here? If he's scum, he's not even active. But we all agree MeowMix's claim smells bad. We all seem to find it suspicious that his second target was whiteflame, a point he has only weakly engaged and for the most part avoided. He even stalled when pressed on which claim of whiteflame's he had chosen. My character cop shows Rex is Canadians. No one has made an effective case for how my cop was interfered with or why I am scum.

What do we have on Ultra? He's been inactive, his claim is bland, his posts have been lackluster. The strongest indicator to me is that the people in my POE have avoided targeting him even though he's easy meat, but the rest of you don't even share that POE. I don't think these evidence piles are equal. I think MeowMix's is bigger.

If we suspect both of these people, we should target active scum over inactive scum. Doing otherwise doesn't make sense to me.

First target. Why do you keep saying second target.

The one that happened before the second one is the first one.

whiteflame wrote:

I’m fine with letting this discussion play out so I won’t post a vote just yet. That being said, both Ultra and Meow are scum from where I’m sitting by a combination of POE and a lot of problems with both their claims. I get Wryly’s point about Meow in particular, but as I called out as the reason I was VTLing Ultra in DP2, it’s not just an issue of a bland claim and lack of presence in this and the previous DP. Ultra’s Vanilla claim isn’t the problem, it’s the specifics beyond that. No one else has claimed a generation subset as their character, posting an AI-generated version that conspicuously lacked text present in everyone else’s Vanilla justification, and then justifying it by saying that he fed it random pieces of his PM that conveniently excluded it. Dude doesn’t have a lot of posts to read, but a lot of them stand out, as does his almost complete lack of reads in the two DPs he showed up for.

I had forgotten that and I take your point. I don't think the generation outlier is conclusive, but the lack of Lunatician vanilla wording was conspicuous. Still not as much as we have on MeowMix imo.

ILikePie5 wrote:

The idea is that solving Ultra solves the 50/50 between REF and Meow. Both believe that Ultra is scum, so logically both would be bussing their partner. We know based on wagonomics that if Ultra was town, the lynch should’ve gone through especially with WF (who is at worse a TP) and Wylted on the wagon. I know I’m town, so that’s 3. 4th is REF, who you believe is town. Scum had the opportunity to use their leverage and hammer there, which no one would’ve faulted, but they didn’t, unless Ultra is scum.

If Ultra flips scum, REF is basically confirmed town and we lynch Meow, no questions asked

All right, this makes sense to me. I really loathe passing over the scummate who will be around to use his power tonight for the scummate who almost certainly wouldn't be around to use his, but I can't fault this logic.

MeowMix wrote:

If we suspect both of these people, we should target active scum over inactive scum. Doing otherwise doesn't make sense to me.

First target. Why do you keep saying second target.

Because it was the second one you revealed, I suppose.