Stereotype Mafia DP4

Damn Spain straight up sucks. I didn't know capo verde was even a country before today.

Also if we were scum and Wryly was lying about stopping the NK why on earth do that? If we are scum and tried to kill Mikal we know that the NK was not stopped by Wryly's commute because we chose the NK target. Why come out with a fake claim like that and risk a CC if we know for a fact there is another explanation that will come forth and negate any towncred?

I have not said I think Meow is town and you are scum. I have simply said your in a 1v1

Can you unpack what you see as a situation where ultra is town?

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RexFavilla (1/5): MeowMix (p#327)

MeowMix (1/5): RexFavilla (p#179)

Not Voting (6): Helz (p#9), ILikePie5, Mikal, Ultracrepidarian, whiteflame, Wryly (p#44)

With 8 players alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day phase ends in 1 day, 20 hours.

DP2 Wagob

Ultracrepidarian (4/6): ILikePie5, wylted, RexFavilla, whiteflame

wylted (3/6): MeowMix, Helz, Mikal

Wryly (3/6): Thoth

Helz (1/6): Ultracrepidarian

Not Voting (2): Thoth, Wryly

With 10 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day phase ends in 4 minutes

Helz wrote:

I have not said I think Meow is town and you are scum. I have simply said your in a 1v1

Can you unpack what you see as a situation where ultra is town?

I think hes scum flat out. Meow is guaranteed scum. Him derailing the Ultra lynch draws suspicion to him - I can see a town player being wrong and doing that. I can't see a scum player doing that unless Ultra is his scummate. Scum let's scummy town get lynched nine times out of ten. When they do try and save scummy and buddy them its when the player is active and will be an pocketable asset. That's not Ultra, to put it lightly. He also isnt lying and claiming to have LDed Ultra's claim.This is by far the more sensible option for his second LD target. The Whiteflame one is laughably bad. The only reason to not make that lie is if Ultra is your scummate, because then Meow's guilty flip would indict Ultra instead of preserving ambiguity in the event he loses the 1v1. From my perspective there is pretty much no way Ultra is town. That possibility vanished when Meow came out with his fake LD gambit and confirmed himself as scum due to the role's imperviousness to manipulation.

Wth my color coding didn’t work

DP2 Wagon

Ultracrepidarian (4/6): ILikePie5, wylted, RexFavilla, whiteflame

wylted (3/6): MeowMix, Helz, Mikal

Wryly (3/6): Thoth

Helz (1/6): Ultracrepidarian

Not Voting (2): Thoth, Wryly

With 10 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day phase ends in 4 minutes

istg if it doesn’t work

1) whiteflame doctored Mikal; I activated a Commuter. Which player did scum really target?

Mikal had been trying to get Kohai lynched even before that disastrous slip, and he was on wylted's wagon for two day phases in a row. He was instrumental in wylted's mislynch for complaining so loudly that we hadn't lynched wylted yet that wylted killed himself and I straight up threw in the towel. If Mikal is town he's been an effective unwitting tool for scum so far. So why get rid of him now? Were they afraid of who he might scumhunt next? Who was he likely to go for today? Rex? Rex challenged wylted's lynch and spoke up vociferously against a mass claim. He's been swimming against the tide all game. I don't see why scum does this. Me? I also held up wylted's lynch when wylted literally served himself up to scum on a silver platter. And who would my scum partners be? MeowMix? Why would I undermine his attempt to get Rex lynched, then?

2) MeowMix says he got a red check on Rex's wincon; I got a green check on Rex's character.

Putting aside the weak reasoning between Universal Backup and reparations, I don't buy that he wasted a Lie Detecter shot on whiteflame, and he stalled for ages before he finally answered the question of which statement of whiteflame's he selected. Looking back, I think he's only voted for Rex, me, Pie, and wylted, something I should've checked long before now. I'm most confident that he is scum, but that leaves the question open of who his partners are. It can't be Rex. whiteflame is role confirmed by both Pie and Mikal. Helz is townlocked. I presented counter-evidence to his red check on Rex. That leaves Ultra, Pie, and Mikal. I can easily buy Ultra, so from there I'm looking at who of the remaining two was most willing to vote Ultra until now. The answer has been decidedly Pie.

ILikePie5 wrote:

There is nothing being “decided” in the Mason PM. Helz hasn’t said anything in more than 12 hours. I need time to reread all the threads. Would like ur full claim for sure. I’ve said a couple times in Mason PM that WF could be a variant of this role:

That's not the impression I've been getting from Mikal ig.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/database/mafia-roles/role/?mafiarole=Monk

Regardless, I don’t believe WF is Mafia. At worst he’s TP.

Oh this is neat. Sounds like a more light-side spin on a 3P. If this is true then my arguments may face the added resistance of telling him he isn't halfway to meeting his quota as he might have thought when he read the OP today. :(

RexFavilla wrote:

Helz wrote:

I have not said I think Meow is town and you are scum. I have simply said your in a 1v1

Can you unpack what you see as a situation where ultra is town?

I think hes scum flat out. Meow is guaranteed scum. Him derailing the Ultra lynch draws suspicion to him - I can see a town player being wrong and doing that. I can't see a scum player doing that unless Ultra is his scummate. Scum let's scummy town get lynched nine times out of ten. When they do try and save scummy and buddy them its when the player is active and will be an pocketable asset. That's not Ultra, to put it lightly. He also isnt lying and claiming to have LDed Ultra's claim.This is by far the more sensible option for his second LD target. The Whiteflame one is laughably bad. The only reason to not make that lie is if Ultra is your scummate, because then Meow's guilty flip would indict Ultra instead of preserving ambiguity in the event he loses the 1v1. From my perspective there is pretty much no way Ultra is town. That possibility vanished when Meow came out with his fake LD gambit and confirmed himself as scum due to the role's imperviousness to manipulation.

Rex, I wasn't even in that game at that point in time so that doesn't really work.

I guess you're trying to say magoroth but he's just a retarded towny, par for the course.

Not trying to inject negativity into the thread but this is excruciatingly boring and I don't think there's anything else I can contribute. If you think I'm lying vote me. If you don't, vote Rex.

There are at least two or three players who want to sub out. I subbed in. We don't need to slow roll. It wouldn't be fair to ourselves.

We had a fun game and some laughs. I don't have the time or energy comb through shit for players who are less active than me even if I townread them. I got my red check on the lie and that's how the game goes.

I actually think Rex would agree with me on that.

Or I can just leave. You can discuss it in your private chat and I'll go play some vidya game.

VTL: No Lynch

You can spend the next two days slow rolling without me. Cheers.

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No Lynch (1/5): MeowMix (p#407)

MeowMix (1/5): RexFavilla (p#179)

Not Voting (6): Helz (p#9), ILikePie5, Mikal, Ultracrepidarian, whiteflame, Wryly (p#44)

With 8 players alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day phase ends in 1 day, 18 hours.

p.s. fuck whoever is lurking and pressing the vote counter. you can literally scroll up and read the votes that you probably requested earlier. you don't need to autistically hit the button every single time someone votes or changes their mind.

add a name to who requests it so I know who to policy lynch on this website.

MeowMix wrote:

p.s. fuck whoever is lurking and pressing the vote counter. you can literally scroll up and read the votes that you probably requested earlier. you don't need to autistically hit the button every single time someone votes or changes their mind.

add a name to who requests it so I know who to policy lynch on this website.

Honestly wish this had a 30 minute cooldown or something to it

Lunatic wrote:

MeowMix wrote:

p.s. fuck whoever is lurking and pressing the vote counter. you can literally scroll up and read the votes that you probably requested earlier. you don't need to autistically hit the button every single time someone votes or changes their mind.

add a name to who requests it so I know who to policy lynch on this website.

Honestly wish this had a 30 minute cooldown or something to it

It doesn't need a timer, it needs a name attached to it. I could hit it over and over like that retard but I'm not a fucking animal.

Gun to your head, what is the exact scum team at this juncture and why?

Lunatic wrote:

MeowMix wrote:

p.s. fuck whoever is lurking and pressing the vote counter. you can literally scroll up and read the votes that you probably requested earlier. you don't need to autistically hit the button every single time someone votes or changes their mind.

add a name to who requests it so I know who to policy lynch on this website.

Honestly wish this had a 30 minute cooldown or something to it

Would be a hindrance during CFD's

Helz wants to lynch Ultra. No objections from me, Mikal, or WF. Anything from you?

I asked the chat if there was any world anyone could see where ultra is town and if we wanted any more information from this day.

I am of the opinion we resolve ultra.

VTL: Ultracrepidarian

VTL: Ultracrepidarian

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Ultracrepidarian (2/5): ILikePie5 (p#416), Mikal (p#417)

No Lynch (1/5): MeowMix (p#407)

MeowMix (1/5): RexFavilla (p#179)

Not Voting (4): Helz (p#9), Ultracrepidarian, whiteflame, Wryly (p#44)

With 8 players alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day phase ends in 1 day, 16 hours.

VTL: Ultracrepidarian

Well let’s roll the dice

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Ultracrepidarian (3/5): ILikePie5 (p#416), Mikal (p#417), Helz (p#419)

No Lynch (1/5): MeowMix (p#407)

MeowMix (1/5): RexFavilla (p#179)

Not Voting (3): Ultracrepidarian, whiteflame, Wryly (p#44)

With 8 players alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day phase ends in 1 day, 16 hours.