Wryly wrote:
MeowMix wrote:
If we suspect both of these people, we should target active scum over inactive scum. Doing otherwise doesn't make sense to me.
First target. Why do you keep saying second target.
Because it was the second one you revealed, I suppose.
And it was second because
Wryly wrote:
whiteflame wrote:
I’m fine with letting this discussion play out so I won’t post a vote just yet. That being said, both Ultra and Meow are scum from where I’m sitting by a combination of POE and a lot of problems with both their claims. I get Wryly’s point about Meow in particular, but as I called out as the reason I was VTLing Ultra in DP2, it’s not just an issue of a bland claim and lack of presence in this and the previous DP. Ultra’s Vanilla claim isn’t the problem, it’s the specifics beyond that. No one else has claimed a generation subset as their character, posting an AI-generated version that conspicuously lacked text present in everyone else’s Vanilla justification, and then justifying it by saying that he fed it random pieces of his PM that conveniently excluded it. Dude doesn’t have a lot of posts to read, but a lot of them stand out, as does his almost complete lack of reads in the two DPs he showed up for.
I had forgotten that and I take your point. I don't think the generation outlier is conclusive, but the lack of Lunatician vanilla wording was conspicuous. Still not as much as we have on MeowMix imo.
Fair take. I balance them a little differently because Meow is so new to the site and it's harder to read him behaviorally, since he seems willing to just go off and do his own thing on a whim. Ultra's absence is more clearly behaviorally damning since his absence is a large part of why attention has consistently been drawn elsewhere. Don't tend to scumread lack of interaction, but this is excessive.
VTL: Helz
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Ultracrepidarian (3/5): ILikePie5 (p#416), Mikal (p#417), Helz (p#419)
Helz (1/5): MeowMix (p#453)
MeowMix (1/5): RexFavilla (p#179)
Not Voting (3): Ultracrepidarian, whiteflame, Wryly (p#44)
With 8 players alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day phase ends in 1 day, 14 hours.
In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.
Hammer ultra. And when you feel that sting I want you to think of me.
MeowMix wrote:
Hammer ultra. And when you feel that sting I want you to think of me.
Dont you scumread him?
Do it.
ILikePie5 wrote:
MeowMix wrote:
Hammer ultra. And when you feel that sting I want you to think of me.
Dont you scumread him?
No there's nothing to scumread from him.
I have not been cryptic. I expect at least somebody to read my worldview.
Like. We've actually been playing together for a decent time, you should know my worldview has been town!ultra.
whiteflame wrote:
Fair take. I balance them a little differently because Meow is so new to the site and it's harder to read him behaviorally, since he seems willing to just go off and do his own thing on a whim. Ultra's absence is more clearly behaviorally damning since his absence is a large part of why attention has consistently been drawn elsewhere. Don't tend to scumread lack of interaction, but this is excessive.
I initially townread his whimsy, and the fact that he told me to vote Mikal DP2. But after he told me everything he does is deliberate, I reconsidered. His votes were only ever on Kohai, me, Rex, and wylted. Three people I know are town and one I strongly believe is.
I remain confused as to which mechanic is the lie, since the flips so far seem to indicate 2 is the lie and the presence of fake claims indicates 3 is the lie.
VTL: Ultracrepidarian
Pull the trigger. And when he flips town, I want you to remember that you are fucking idiots for not believing me.
I'm down with an Ultra vote if it clears you for town.
MeowMix wrote:
VTL: Ultracrepidarian
Pull the trigger. And when he flips town, I want you to remember that you are fucking idiots for not believing me.
Is this like a gambit to make us hesitate
Wryly wrote:
MeowMix wrote:
VTL: Ultracrepidarian
Pull the trigger. And when he flips town, I want you to remember that you are fucking idiots for not believing me.
Is this like a gambit to make us hesitate
?
Didn't you say you agreed that Ultra is likely scum or something
what does that even mean
if I was scum, what would that possibly do in my favor. and if you are pairing me and ultra as scum, it would make zero sense for me to bus him here. i would be throwing the game because I'd just die tomorrow.
Wryly wrote:
whiteflame wrote:
Fair take. I balance them a little differently because Meow is so new to the site and it's harder to read him behaviorally, since he seems willing to just go off and do his own thing on a whim. Ultra's absence is more clearly behaviorally damning since his absence is a large part of why attention has consistently been drawn elsewhere. Don't tend to scumread lack of interaction, but this is excessive.
I initially townread his whimsy, and the fact that he told me to vote Mikal DP2. But after he told me everything he does is deliberate, I reconsidered. His votes were only ever on Kohai, me, Rex, and wylted. Three people I know are town and one I strongly believe is.
His votes have not looked great, I agree.
I remain confused as to which mechanic is the lie, since the flips so far seem to indicate 2 is the lie and the presence of fake claims indicates 3 is the lie.
We're thinking similarly about this. Numbers 1 and 4 I've basically written off as true. There's almost certainly at least one more Vanilla between Rex and Ultra (almost certainly the former), which would satisfy 5. If it's 2, then I have to question what scum would cover up among the flips we've seen (can't say I've seen anything obvious, either, though they could just be holding it in reserve), and if it's 3, then I'd have to wonder why scum even bothered fake claiming their characters, due to the lack of a theme split. I can at least see a cognizant scum fake claiming something other than Germans with a known Jew in play, but the rest... well, I'm waiting for at least one scum flip to get an idea of that.
Wryly wrote:
Didn't you say you agreed that Ultra is likely scum or something
I said it's possible.
MeowMix wrote:
@helz we always resolve me vs rex today. We do not shoot outside, especially at ultra. That would be silly. You would need to literally railroad the entire game to get that anyway.
I'm not saying it's impossible but you'd need to convince a few wolves to actually do it. They want to resolve this first anyway. Why do you think they have been bussing here?
Right here.
MeowMix wrote:
what does that even mean
if I was scum, what would that possibly do in my favor. and if you are pairing me and ultra as scum, it would make zero sense for me to bus him here. i would be throwing the game because I'd just die tomorrow.
I was speculating that it was a last-ditch "look, why would I do this as scum" fake-out.
Wryly wrote:
MeowMix wrote:
what does that even mean
if I was scum, what would that possibly do in my favor. and if you are pairing me and ultra as scum, it would make zero sense for me to bus him here. i would be throwing the game because I'd just die tomorrow.
I was speculating that it was a last-ditch "look, why would I do this as scum" fake-out.
oh. No I'm just actually getting tired of being here. And I am a bit of a snarky ass.
Unfortunately I don't have any scummates this game.
Being scum would actually make this easier. I'd have partners that at least read my posts.
*Sigh*
A man can dream.
Well, I'm perfectly willing to end your misery for this DP at least, if no one has any objections.
Wryly wrote:
Well, I'm perfectly willing to end your misery for this DP at least, if no one has any objections.
Me too thanks. Congrats rex on beating a red check. I'll self in 20 minutes
VTL: MeowMix
No reason to slow roll actually.
I always think, what could I have done better as town. I honestly think I'm being too hard on myself though. I've been bleeding town all game.
I just self voted as a town cop, vote me.
I meant I'm perfectly willing to hammer Ultra and end the DP, if no one has any objections. But I guess now we wait for Rex.
VTL: Ultracrepidarian
MeowMix wrote:
I just self voted as a town cop, vote me.
I feel like you've given up arguing for your innocence honestly.
