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Candace Owens Cinematic Universe DP1

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ISO #181 •••

Jesus Christ this is the last time I make a titty joke in mafia. Your loss, you paranoid buzzkills! Can't believe AOC drawn on a boob is actually a datum we're seriously discussing. I expect this shit from wylted, but the rest of you, jeez. If wylted really is Candace that's on him for dumping his purse like a moron just because I made a joke.


I just got home and I'm wiped. Aside from a slight sus of Mikal I got nothing. I guess I'd rather go for him than Kohai, gun to my head. Sounds like I'm getting conflicting accounts of how common it is for Hated to deactivate at MYLO/LYLO. whiteflame is acting like it's uncommon for Hated to deactivate, which lends some support to Mikal. I still got a lot to do and will try to be on later.

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ISO #182 •••
--> @Wryly
Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/20/2026 at 3:53 PM (post #181)
Sounds like I'm getting conflicting accounts of how common it is for Hated to deactivate at MYLO/LYLO.

This is exactly why I said we need to archive all the Mafia games from DebateArt.

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ISO #183 •••

Alright gonna go through my reads. Heads up I have an ear infection and my ear hurts like hell so maybe a bit quick but I’m gonna give my thoughts. Some things I’ve said and have been said but I have the same thoughts

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ISO #184 •••

Right now I think my biggest town tell behaviorally is probably Wylted. His misreading and misunderstanding the joke with a CC is a classic Wylted move IMO. He just kinda skims the DP when he is town and doesn't think too much. He's also ass at claiming so I don't think he comes right out of the gate and does a CC on that which really wasn't CC worthy in the first place. Unless this is some big play out of him, I think he is lean town. I doubt Candice Owens is a fake claim AND the only other alternative is that he is scum and Candice Owens is his real claim, possible,


I have some skepticism about Pie with his role and what Mikal technically claimed. However, going strictly behavior, there is like a 5% chance Pie makes an SOP claim considering the policy. He is not a gambler when it comes to mafia and plays it by the book. He tries to draw the least amount of attention possible and in this game, I don't think he takes a risk on a role that would get him insta lynched if he was caught lying on L-1. Possibility it is a scum flavor but don't think that would be any use for him.


Whiteflame is always so tough to read - which is a credit to his abilities. Seems very responsive to people and their thoughts when he is able too and giving good information. No reason to behaviorally scum read, but as I said, I find it hard to read him.


Luna comes in a bit later and gives some detailed insight and responding back and forth with Kohai. Right now nothing really seems different behaviorally from what I saw. It's kind of an back and forth with Kohai from the recent pages. Really only addresses a few things. Nothing stands out to him but his contributions have been beneficial and has some reads posted and made


Thoth null. Pretty typical Thoth imo.


My FoS come to Kohai and Wryly and Mikal. Have reasons for each.


Mikal comes in gunswinging on Pie and starts to go after him, essentially kind of avoiding Wryly and Wylted stuff page 1. Listen I get ultimately kind of a nothing burger, but to jump then straight to that is a bit weird. He claims it is because he has "half SOP" role with Bulletproof, but I don't think that is SOP or even counterable to what Pie claimed. So I have my thoughts about that. However, the Charlie Kirk claim is interesting to say the least. Don't honestly love it and seems a bit weird for justifications (don't want to get too deep into that)


Kohai is being way too aggressive on Wryly in this game, has way too big a scum read, and almost seems tunelly. Listen, I get the reasons for it, but ultimately it is just not strong enough of a reason to tunnel them in Dp1 to lynch. I don't like the tunnel and I especially don't like the other justification that they brought up for missing time and saying they would miss time. I would get it if they made 1 post and said that, but they made multiple and such and contributed enough to a DP that only had like 34 posts on Saturday.


I think Wryly has to be put in the POE. Not my top choice personally but I think the litmus test was really weird. For #1, this really didn't do much considering that it was treated as a joke. The worst case scenario for doing it is everyone treats it as a joke and you have no clue what happened. Best case scenario, you get a claim from someone that didn't read and CC'd. Again I get it, that is Wryly's personality, but that type of test does more harm than good. I don't think I would lynch but off of behavior that does sticks out.


I don't have a problem with Mikal or Kohai for the day if I had to pick a lynch



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ISO #185 •••
--> @whiteflame
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/20/2026 at 9:51 AM (post #145)
I didn't want to draw attention to it. Given that Candace Owens is almost certainly in this game, it's not a question of whether that claim is real or not, it's a question of whether it's town or not. I made Barry scum and he was the title character of that game, so I don't think we should make any assumptions based on Wylted's CC.

I think the difference there is that Barry is canonically a murderer and, per my understanding, a shitty person. Candace is the obvious hero of her cinematic universe. Possibly scum, but extremely unlikely in my opinion.

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ISO #186 •••

Prob wont be around much this dp and its low on activity anyway. Im prom staying on pie. If someone can point me to 1 game where hated has had a specific dayphase deactivation ill reconsider. I have never seen it activate on a specific day phase. The few times have been mylo or lylo. So for low content. Myself included. Prob staying here since its optimal regardless.

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ISO #187 •••
--> @Mikal
Originally Posted by Mikal on 7/20/2026 at 6:52 PM (post #186)
If someone can point me to 1 game where hated has had a specific dayphase deactivation ill reconsider. I have never seen it activate on a specific day phase. The few times have been mylo or lylo.

No precedent needed. It's obviously because either Rex or Pie thought it was better given the recent arguments about the definition of MYLO/LYLO.

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ISO #188 •••

I stand by my suggestion that we get a full-claim from someone just to advance the game. On second thought, we might not have enough time left for meaningful discussion of whatever information we get.

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ISO #189 •••
--> @Lunatic
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/20/2026 at 11:57 AM (post #166)
Gun to my head, I think kohai is scum. Don’t have a solid case on him it’s more of a gut read. He acts more confident as scum, going after pie and having that discussion with him about the mechanics of his hated deactivation seems brazen if it isn’t distancing. I also don’t like his suggestion for wryly to claim here. The confidence of the restated sentiment of inactivity is just fluff to make him look invested while not really doing much about that activity. Behind him I am getting suspicions of Thoth, but I feel like I’m always suspicious of Thoth when he’s town. Nothing specifically just his overall attitude about. Rehashing discussions about wrylys claim and branching into bizarre theories about her baiting Candace Owens just seems like a way to keep attention focused on talking points around other people while not fully committing to a read on her. It’s possible Thoth does this as town just something pinging me slightly.

pie and wryly are fine for now, Whiteflame has been contributing in his usual Whiteflame way.

No clue about Mikal, I feel like he is baiting or making some play constantly so I don’t want to read too much into his claim right now. Mikal hates dp1 and does wierd shit early on so kind of hard to tell if he’s up to something yet.

Ive shared some similar thoughts with Vader but I’m not sure if it’s enough to town read him yet.

who am I missing

oh yeah Wylted. Nothing stands out with him either, just his normal Wylted self. He didn’t get wrylys joke earlier but I don’t think I scum read him for it. Just was kind of dumb is all


These reads seem fair. I still need to write mine out (won't be the usual read wall, though almost no one reads those anyway), but Kohai sticks out to me as well. I haven't really flagged anything super odd from Thoth, which is ironically a reason for me to be wary of him - usually he's done something by now that pushes me one way or the other. The belief that Wryly could've been baiting a claim is a reach, but he's usually gone further down the rabbit hole than this.

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ISO #190 •••

I am Candace Owens' right tit. I am a Hated Popular Compulsive Bulletproof Ascetic Tracker Watcher Innocent Child Governor. Rex told me at the start of the game that whiteflame is scum. Furthermore, I know everyone's role and I can make everyone 1v1 in Guitar Hero to determine whether their night actions succeed or not.

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ISO #191 •••
--> @Vader
Originally Posted by Vader on 7/20/2026 at 2:13 PM (post #170)
I feel pretty weird about Kohai. I don’t think I’ve heard them take the angle shooting of “If you know youre going to be out, provide your thoughts” I think that’s inherently flawed since by the time they posted it was already / only 30 posts and not much substance to work with. Also just feels so nitpicky


I don't so much mind that he was calling for more thoughts and getting info before people went on extended absences, but specifically the choice to seek claims from those people doesn't make sense, particularly as he was focused on Wryly, someone who had already contributed a great deal to the DP. She's a strange choice to target considering how she was telegraphing her absence as well.

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ISO #192 •••
--> @Thoth
Originally Posted by Thoth on 7/20/2026 at 4:11 PM (post #176)
I don’t see the value in a claim from Kohai. If we are going to pressure a full-claim out of anyone, I would rather get it from Mikal.


I can see the value in both. The softclaim from Mikal leaves me with more questions than answers, but it does at least limit his potential claims. Why don't you think Kohai's claim has value?

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ISO #193 •••
--> @Wryly


Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/20/2026 at 4:53 PM (post #181)
Jesus Christ this is the last time I make a titty joke in mafia. Your loss, you paranoid buzzkills! Can't believe AOC drawn on a boob is actually a datum we're seriously discussing. I expect this shit from wylted, but the rest of you, jeez. If wylted really is Candace that's on him for dumping his purse like a moron just because I made a joke.


Fwiw, I thought it was damn funny.


I just got home and I'm wiped. Aside from a slight sus of Mikal I got nothing. I guess I'd rather go for him than Kohai, gun to my head. Sounds like I'm getting conflicting accounts of how common it is for Hated to deactivate at MYLO/LYLO. whiteflame is acting like it's uncommon for Hated to deactivate, which lends some support to Mikal. I still got a lot to do and will try to be on later.


I'll clarify. It's not uncommon for a Hated role to deactivate, I've just seen both versions used. If it doesn't deactivate, that's a much more negative utility role for town, but it does occur.

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ISO #194 •••
--> @Thoth


Originally Posted by Thoth on 7/20/2026 at 7:36 PM (post #185)
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/20/2026 at 9:51 AM (post #145)
I didn't want to draw attention to it. Given that Candace Owens is almost certainly in this game, it's not a question of whether that claim is real or not, it's a question of whether it's town or not. I made Barry scum and he was the title character of that game, so I don't think we should make any assumptions based on Wylted's CC.
I think the difference there is that Barry is canonically a murderer and, per my understanding, a shitty person. Candace is the obvious hero of her cinematic universe. Possibly scum, but extremely unlikely in my opinion.


A lot of the characters in Barry are murderers. Half of town that game had characters killed someone and three of them were mob bosses, so not exactly great people. I'm going to let the issue drop for now because it's not enough of a concern that I feel it needs to be the focus of this DP, but I think it would be a mistake to just write him off as town solely for claiming the namesake of the game.

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ISO #195 •••

Going to shift focus to coming up with a complete set of reads. Not a wall of text this time, since most people don't read those anyway, but I'll give at least some thoughts.

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ISO #196 •••
--> @whiteflame
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ISO #197 •••
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ISO #198 •••

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Lunatic (1/5): ILikePie5 (p#94)

Mikal (1/5): Thoth (p#177)

ILikePie5 (1/5): Mikal (p#63)

whiteflame (1/5): Kohai (p#116)

Kohai (1/5): wylted (p#175)


Not Voting (4): Lunatic, Vader, whiteflame, Wryly


With 9 players alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day phase ends in 14 hours.

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ISO #199 •••
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ISO #200 •••
--> @whiteflame
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ISO #201 •••
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ISO #202 •••
--> @wylted
Originally Posted by wylted on 7/20/2026 at 9:53 PM (post #196)
I personally read the walls of text unless somebody is doing it an absurd amount of times and close together to other walls that they also did. Not sure if that helps but I will read it, even when I don't engage with it.


Appreciate that, always good to know it's not just going out into the ether.


Given the DP ends in 14 hours you kind placing a vote somewhere. Anywager. If we all have votes out I think it's easier to negotiate


Once I'm done with my reads, I'll post a vote.

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ISO #203 •••

Working on a debate argument. Will chime in in a little bit.

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"Kohai, your entrance to the thread was legendary, you had a solve and a winning PoE right when you showed up, super impressive stuff, even more so considering it wasn't even your objective!!" - Zrein

ISO #204 •••
--> @wylted
Originally Posted by wylted on 7/20/2026 at 9:01 PM (post #201)
Who are you willing to lynch. Is it just Mikal or do you have others you might consider?

It's not like I have enough data to form strong opinions. Mikal would be my first choice. I could probably sheeptown a movement towards anyone if there's enough momentum behind it.

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ISO #205 •••
--> @Mikal

Wryly - I see her having fun with the game and expressing frustration that others don't see it and I feel that. I still don't get why anyone was on her as plausible scum based on that claim alone, and yes, that includes Wylted. Can anyone see scum coming up with that as a fake claim? Seriously, Wryly would have to be mental. At minimum, though, I think she's come off a little townie behaviorally. It's not a lot to read into because I think Wryly might do this as scum as well, but we've seen very little of Wryly's scum play, so that's difficult to call.


Wylted - CCing Wryly on the Candace Owens claim still confuses me, mainly because it looked like such an obviously absurd claim and Wylted would have had reason to know it wasn't real. Still, Wylted claimed the character everyone knew would be in this game, so either he's town and was just that confident that Wryly was faking her claim as scum, or he's scum and Candace Owens is the character he received. I'm keeping the latter as an option on the backburner for now, though it's something I've done as a mod and I wouldn't put it past Rex. Tentative town.


Vader - I largely agree with his reads, though they trend a little stronger than I'm willing to go. In general, I like his takes and responses so far and he has been engaged since coming back, so I'm giving him a very light townread.


Lunatic - Kind of similar to Vader. I think his takes have looked pretty good so far, his reads a little light but still OK. Similar absence, but he's come back in and given the DP more attention, which I appreciate given the disconnect on the sign-up. I have a slightly stronger reason to townread him, though, since I think he'd be far less willing to engage this game if he was scum having come off the frustration of last game. Dude was pretty unhappy about how things played out.


Pie - I've given my thoughts on his claim a couple of times so far, but the long and short of it is this: I sussed it when I initially read it, mainly because of the DP3 inactivation, but the more I've thought about it, the more I'm townreading it. Mikal in particular seems to have a bone to pick with this, but he doesn't explain why Pie would be at all likely to include an extraneous detail like this that we've never seen in a game before. It's important to see his claim in the context of the most recent game, which where we ran into issues of different interpretations of MYLO. Is it possible that Pie decided to use that controversy to craft himself a claim that seemed just off enough to be plausible? Sure, but I just don't see it. I'd have to buy that he's both willing to make a pretty audacious claim like that, not knowing if others will SOP claim or claim other negative utility roles, and also have the presence of mind to include that addendum with the aim of convincing the doubters. Maybe I'm just not giving him enough credit, but I'm giving him a slight town read.


Thoth - I'm not a big fan of his suggestions so far, including just seeking a claim from a random player, saying there's no value in a claim from Kohai, and pushing this theory about Wryly baiting the Candace Owens claim from Wylted, but Thoth also has a habit of making bigger statements and theories than are warranted and getting lynched for it. I'd still like to hear why he views Kohai's claim so negatively, but right now, I'd say he's null trending a little sus.


Kohai - I don't feel like I get Kohai this game. The focus on Wryly and getting her character claim has been weird, the emphasis on a Vig as a means to push back on Pie's DP3 inactivation (it's not the only thing that would affect when MYLO starts), yet he hasn't pressured either of them. I get why he targeted me since I was absent for a bit, but the narrow attention and focus on getting more claims hasn't done anything to help my opinion of him. Slight scum.


Mikal - I get the annoyance with DP1s generally, but Mikal's been all over the place. He starts with a softclaim on both his character and "a portion of" his role, has since refused to elaborate, and instead has spent the few posts he's made going after Pie. Even on that front, his story has shifted, going from Pie's a town liability because scum might be able to end the game before DP3 due to an unknown extra kill to focusing on the oddity of him having a role that ends in DP3. Doesn't seem like he's interested in engaging with different opinions. I'm tempted to townread him on that basis alone since he tends to be more locked in than this as scum. Still, null trending sus.



So from where I'm sitting, I'm good with getting a claim from any of the bottom 3. I'd say not Mikal because he's at least given some indications of who and what he is, but the lack of clarity doesn't sit well with me. I'm tempted to choose him for that reason alone, so for now, that's where my vote is going. If nothing else, I want to see more engagement from him.


VTL: Mikal

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ISO #206 •••
--> @whiteflame
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/20/2026 at 8:25 PM (post #192)
Why don't you think Kohai's claim has value?

I do think that it would have value. The question is whether the net value would favor scum or town. I haven't seen anything particularly scummy from Kohai, so a claim from him would likely help scum more than us.

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ISO #207 •••
--> @whiteflame

Kohai hasn't claimed?

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ISO #208 •••

FYI unless I get to L2 I'm not. claiming.

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"Kohai, your entrance to the thread was legendary, you had a solve and a winning PoE right when you showed up, super impressive stuff, even more so considering it wasn't even your objective!!" - Zrein

ISO #209 •••
--> @Thoth


Originally Posted by Thoth on 7/20/2026 at 11:15 PM (post #207)
Kohai hasn't claimed?

Nope and I won't.

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"Kohai, your entrance to the thread was legendary, you had a solve and a winning PoE right when you showed up, super impressive stuff, even more so considering it wasn't even your objective!!" - Zrein

ISO #210 •••

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Lunatic (2/5): ILikePie5 (p#94), wylted (p#199)

Mikal (2/5): Thoth (p#177), whiteflame (p#205)

ILikePie5 (1/5): Mikal (p#63)

whiteflame (1/5): Kohai (p#116)


Not Voting (3): Lunatic, Vader, Wryly


With 9 players alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day phase ends in 12 hours.

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