Apocalypse Mafia - DP3

Told ya thoth was a bad idea.

needless to say this is lylo so no oen should be voting.

If there's a cop out your results

pinggggggg

Everyone needs to full claim to this point

Yeah. everyone full claim.

I'm deeply paranoid of a whiteflame / lunatic team

I'm also really paranoid of pie based on his awful push on me and thoth

Alright, cards on the table:

My role is called a Contact Counter. The way it works is that I target someone, and I get a count for the number of people who are in their contact chain. My visit counts towards that chain. So, for example, if I used it on myself and no one targeted me, it's a chain of 1. If I used it on someone else who didn't visit anyone, it's a chain of 2. If my target does visit someone, it's a chain of 3. I got a whole list of possible results based on various interactions after asking several questions of Bullish, so if people want to know them, I can go through it.

The long and short of it: I used my night actions on Kohai NP1 and Vader NP2. I chose two players who claimed roles that did not visit, since picking a target who did visit someone else would just confirm that they had visited someone, not who they visited or why. Both Kohai and Vader had chains of two, meaning that, absent any fuckery, I confirmed that Kohai did not visit anyone NP1 and Vader did not visit anyone NP2.

Given the roles have been quite simple so far I have a hard time to believe such a complex role is in the game.

This does not make it a given that either Kohai or Vader are town, but it does support their claims. So now I'm going to ask the question I left lingering at the end of last DP:

What the fuck is Pie's role and why could a Miller affect it in any way?

This is the question I’ve been asking myself as well

Originally Posted by Kohai on 9/26/2026 at 6:25 PM (post #7)

Given the roles have been quite simple so far I have a hard time to believe such a complex role is in the game.

I disagree that Mag1c's role is simple, though I agree the Doctor itself is. Considering Luna has strongly indicated that he's the Cop, you have to ask yourself why I'd go through all the trouble of claiming this role when I had a great deal of options available to me, or why I'd go through the trouble of proclaiming you innocent the DP after I was sussing you.

Are you the cop? What are your results?

Well I was hoping for some solid results last night, but nothing. I am Nuclear War, MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction). I am the cop. Justification is all about deterrence cold war era doctrine that says if 1 party uses nukes, the other will retaliate in kind and both parties will be destroyed. Maintaining nuclear deterrence depended on intelligence, early warning systems, and the ability to identify an enemy's actions before responses were made which is why I am cop. Thought the justification was kind of a stretch at first until I seen other people's justifications lol.

Night One I investigated Whiteflame, Night Two I investigated Kohai.

Both are innocent.

I am going to assume mafia have some sort of counter to Cop, so take these with a grain of salt.

hmmm. Well then does a pie / Vader team make sense?

I’m so stumped this game.

My top scumread is pie. I am not sure who is partner is. I still don't buy vader is scum, but I am open minded and want to press him further as well.

Pie please full claim. I won't be voting yet as we are probably in MYLO.

The team is either exactly Vader / Pie or WF / Luna

Full claim time

Here's what I'm getting mechanically:

Kohai has two green checks, one for alignment (Luna, NP2) and one for a lack of night action (WF, NP1).

Vader has one green check, one for a lack of night action (WF, NP2). He also has the benefit of having claimed Miller before there was any alignment investigative claim on the board.

Pie verified that he was visited during the NP. That's a check of sorts, though not much of one. The role he's claimed so far isn't alignment indicative, and its association with a Miller seems nonexistent. And even the verification is unclear, since he couldn't state who visited him or what Mag1c's role was, so it could have just been a shot in the dark with the hope of uncovering a claim from one or more of the people who could have visited him.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 9/26/2026 at 7:35 PM (post #17)

Here's what I'm getting mechanically:

Kohai has two green checks, one for alignment (Luna, NP2) and one for a lack of night action (WF, NP1).

Vader has one green check, one for a lack of night action (WF, NP2). He also has the benefit of having claimed Miller before there was any alignment investigative claim on the board.

Pie verified that he was visited during the NP. That's a check of sorts, though not much of one. The role he's claimed so far isn't alignment indicative, and its association with a Miller seems nonexistent. And even the verification is unclear, since he couldn't state who visited him or what Mag1c's role was, so it could have just been a shot in the dark with the hope of uncovering a claim from one or more of the people who could have visited him.

The problem is there's too many "green checks" for all of this to work out. Esentially everyone has some sort of "green check."

If there's a miller then there's also possibly a godfather / lawyer

There's only 6 possible pairings

ILikePie5 + Lunatic

ILikePie5 + Whiteflame

ILikePie5 + Vader

Lunatic + Whiteflame

Lunatic + Vader

Whiteflame + Vader

If we assume lunatic actually is the cop then we are left with

ILikePie5 + Whiteflame

ILikePie5 + Vader

Whiteflame + Vader

Originally Posted by Kohai on 9/26/2026 at 7:39 PM (post #18)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 9/26/2026 at 7:35 PM (post #17)

Here's what I'm getting mechanically:

Kohai has two green checks, one for alignment (Luna, NP2) and one for a lack of night action (WF, NP1).

Vader has one green check, one for a lack of night action (WF, NP2). He also has the benefit of having claimed Miller before there was any alignment investigative claim on the board.

Pie verified that he was visited during the NP. That's a check of sorts, though not much of one. The role he's claimed so far isn't alignment indicative, and its association with a Miller seems nonexistent. And even the verification is unclear, since he couldn't state who visited him or what Mag1c's role was, so it could have just been a shot in the dark with the hope of uncovering a claim from one or more of the people who could have visited him.

The problem is there's too many "green checks" for all of this to work out. Esentially everyone has some sort of "green check."

To an extent I agree. Aside from the role-based mechanics, the Miller is confirmed as being possible due to having a Cop in the game, and if we assume the Miller is true, then there must be a role (Cop or otherwise) that could be fooled by the Miller.

I'd say the value of those checks is a little unclear in some cases. I'd say what we saw as a green check for Pie doesn't look particularly strong, maybe a yellow check with a slight green tinge. My role does confirm no night action, but it's always possible that scum didn't use a night action on the night I used it. And given a Miller, we can and should suspect a GF or other scum role available to fool the Cop investigation. So I'm considering all those elements.

and assuming whiteflame isn't gf then the team is ILikePie5 + Vader

So the cop is out. At this point based on my roles I think Luna is a lock to me at this point. I’m taking Luna out of the PoE to this point.

WF

Kohai

Pie

I will wait for Pie. I do have some skepticism of Whiteflames claim but one he is telling the truth, but I also think there was an easier way to use that role that could’ve gotten me mislynched. I was very close to the lynch last DP and he could’ve used the same logic to fake the result assuming this is MYLO scenario to guilt me.

Kohai has 2 checks but there is probably a GF in this game. But does the Whiteflame mechanic clear him?

Pie is the biggest question mark tho

I feel like it has to be Kohai and Pie at this point

Lunatic is a cop, so by the literal nature of the game, Cop + Miller are town-locked together, and he is in the only affiliation investigation role.

Whiteflame with that role had the easiest way to win the game and he did not capitalize on it. Easiest thing he could do is say the chain broke and the writing would've been all over the wall and scum would win. So I do think he's telling the truth about his role

Pie and kohai and irked me. Pie put really early pressure Kohai and went hard and he remained that way. But Kohai did not really fight back the way he did normally and ultimately Pie's words just led to mislynched at this point. Felt like there should've been more a reaction.

Need Pie's role claim.

I've been thinking about where to go from here, and I don't really want to rush a vote yet. Pie is still my biggest priority. I already had him as my top scumread, and with all the claims/results we have now, I really want to see his full claim before we start locking into teams. I don't think Kohai has a ton of scum equity unless he is a goon or something. Vader's Pie/Kohai theory is interesting though, especially since I've had questions about those two together before. I just don't think we can count on scum not having some kind of counter to me though. He would have had to have ninja'd np1, and godfathered/lawyered np2. I dont know. I agree wuth whiteflame that two green checks makes it very hard to scum read kohai.

So basically:

Pie full claims, we figure out the possible teams, then decide where the vote goes.

We're probably at the point where one bad vote can fuck us, so I'd rather take a little time and actually work this out instead of yeeting someone and hoping we're right.

Why did you check me / whiteflame over pie?

Originally Posted by Kohai on 9/26/2026 at 6:51 PM (post #28)

Why did you check me / whiteflame over pie?

Because I am like 90% sure what pie is going to claim based on what he's hinted at. I'll let him claim to be sure, but if I am right, visiting him would have been counter productive. He is probably just scum anyways. I am always sus of whiteflame, so I wanted him out of the way early. And I suspected you at the end of last day phase for the sheep of whiteflames vote onto vader.

Fair. We'll wait for pie to claim.