I'm headed off for the night. Like Mag1c, I'm looking for a good claim here. Hesitant to put Helz as my choice for a lynch right now, but I'd like to either be able to set him aside or make a more concerted effort to coalesce around a lynch well before the end of the DP.
Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/7/2026 at 11:12 PM (post #292)
Originally Posted by Shining on 10/7/2026 at 10:09 PM (post #291)
Calling it now, mafia team is something like Dershowitz/Epstein and Maxwell.
Not Epstein/Dershowitz?
That too, but whatever. Also why are you locktown again?
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 10/7/2026 at 9:51 PM (post #285)
done. I may or may not have been playing Among Us while isoing
VTL Helz
Solid scum. At minimum, I want a claim here. A few things:
I will respond point by point
1- I never and I do mean never use real life issues to excuse myself for mafia. There is 2 reasons for this. When I first started playing I used emotional manipulation for advantage and I concluded it was just disgusting. Sure I can stir someone up and piss them off to get a valid read but it ruins their experience.
The other less moral reason is that if I have real life things going on and say so I do not want it questioned in the game. If I have to work I say so. If I feel sick and not up to it I say so. The second I start using that for in game advantage that goes away. I wont dump my purse here but yes- I am in a bad head space and I am openly saying it. This is something I never lie about honestly I do not respect as a play when others do it. If you gotta pull that kinda stuff to win in a game its just ugly.
2- N0 cop claims is very standard practice globally within the mafia community. It works very well and is frustrating for scum. I get that your new to the idea but there is a reason its such an accepted play. I would challenge you to find a single standard mafia championship game with a confirmed cop where it was not used. There is a reason for that- it actually works for town and hurts scum.
3- So ehhh. Brah.. Whats your character name? Lets make this weird with extra levels of eye contact ; )
I will say I do not scum read Mag1cian for their push.
1 is ehh.. I guess they do not know how little I care about winning vs having a fun game
2 is just them not understanding basic strategy for cop insulation thats common outside of this site
3 is just funny to me. I dislike AI flavor but I wanted to break RVS and I wanted to see who would oppose it
Kinda my view of their FoS although I do appreciate the effort and do not feel it was opportunistic
I will trade you my role claim for your flavor claim.
(I kinda suspect that the group of late comers and people refusing is the pool to focus on at this point)
So far all I have to consider for a flavor split is that there seem to be world leaders and entertainers. We could legit have something of value there but scum will want to drag their feet on the subject.
Im also curious. I have never seen someone hunt a role from flavor. Has that ever even happened on this site? Like.. Is the paranoia about that actually justified by anyone's experience that has been playing here?
Originally Posted by Helz on 10/8/2026 at 12:52 AM (post #305)
Im also curious. I have never seen someone hunt a role from flavor. Has that ever even happened on this site? Like.. Is the paranoia about that actually justified by anyone's experience that has been playing here?
Absolutely. Lunatic figured out that Shining was Gunsmith after he claimed the Great Fairy of Kindness in my Majora's Mask game. I could probably come up with other examples if I thought for long enough.
Forum signatures are bullshit. Nobody wants to waste their time and bandwidth reading something they have read 29,998,559,671,349 times before.
Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/8/2026 at 1:03 AM (post #306)
Originally Posted by Helz on 10/8/2026 at 12:52 AM (post #305)
Im also curious. I have never seen someone hunt a role from flavor. Has that ever even happened on this site? Like.. Is the paranoia about that actually justified by anyone's experience that has been playing here?
Absolutely. Lunatic figured out that Shining was Gunsmith after he claimed the Great Fairy of Kindness in my Majora's Mask game. I could probably come up with other examples if I thought for long enough.
Interesting. I kinda thought it was more smoke in peoples heads vs scum wanting to avoid claims. Want to get to that FoS you said you would explain?
Originally Posted by Thoth on 08/10/2026 at 3:24 (post #248)
Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/6/2026 at 3:38 PM (post #51)
Also I had the random thought that we should immediately mass claim roles and shit because scum won’t have the time to make coherent claims, but then I realised it’s a really shitty strategy of winning the game so I’d rather we didn’t do that. Also there’s no guarantee it’ll work
Could work or might not depending on when people are available, especially Savant.
Why do you think scum could not concoct claims fast?
If they get bombarded with mass claims at the start of the game they will panic and won’t have time to think things through. Either they claim fast and their claim ends up (likely) being nonsense, or they take ages to claim. Both of which stick out.
For instance, I don’t really know enough about… Epstein shit to be able to make a fake claim.
Aamirus, have you been Hitler recently?
- Kenny, 2019 (actual Mafia quote)
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 07/10/2026 at 15:45 (post #205)
Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/7/2026 at 2:53 AM (post #188)
Originally Posted by NoAhLeEcLaRk on 06/10/2026 at 19:53 (post #6)
I'm David Copperfield, ig I vanished the statue of liberty and my property taxes
Question is, since Noah is pretty new would he just instantly claim like this as scum? Does Mafia have a night 0 chat or something like that? It looks kinda towny for a person to claim so fast
It wouldn't be terribly unusual for mods to open up a Discord channel and invite scum in a day in advance of the start of the game, so it is entirely possible that scum have had some prep time, though I'm not assuming as much at this point. It's more a basis for me not to just straight townread claims that look good on their face.
Fair. I guess that read is a bit weaker than I’d thought. I still do thinj it’s a little strange for newbie scum to claim this fast
Aamirus, have you been Hitler recently?
- Kenny, 2019 (actual Mafia quote)
I don’t really understand the point everyone seems to be making against Helz o.O, but I guess I’ll let people cook and see where it leads.
I do kinda get the point about the N0 peek, but it IS pretty standard Mafia play on other sites, so it’s not really as damning as it looks.
Thoth looks okayish to me? Early vibes but he seems to be doing his usual thing. I could easily be wrong though
Aamirus, have you been Hitler recently?
- Kenny, 2019 (actual Mafia quote)
Seeing as I don’t really have any scum reads at this stage.
Pet theory is that scum likes to mimic the thread and go with the flow, so there’s a good chance they talked about policy lynching Shining today. Maybe one or two scum may be among those who said it.
Not a particularly strong read, but did anyone notice how people were up for lynching Shining but Thoth’s inactivity was mostly ignored save for I think Whiteflame and Kohai saying he was AFK?
Potential Thoth scum
Aamirus, have you been Hitler recently?
- Kenny, 2019 (actual Mafia quote)
Originally Posted by Shining on 08/10/2026 at 7:31 (post #302)
Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/7/2026 at 11:12 PM (post #292)
Originally Posted by Shining on 10/7/2026 at 10:09 PM (post #291)
Calling it now, mafia team is something like Dershowitz/Epstein and Maxwell.
Not Epstein/Dershowitz?
That too, but whatever. Also why are you locktown again?
This post will be interesting regardless of Shining’s alignment lol.
Aamirus, have you been Hitler recently?
- Kenny, 2019 (actual Mafia quote)
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 10/7/2026 at 10:09 PM (post #299)
Lunatic is my second sus. I liked what looks kind of like a genuine derp, but I swear I'm picking up the same tone he'd had as mafia in the past couple games. I find the latter much more indicative than the former. It's a much lighter sus than what I have on Helz. Slight scum.
I don't know how to respond to or address this. I think I generally sound the same every game I post, the only thing different is who I push, and if its based on oppertunity or genuine curiosity. If you could point out something specific I am happy to address it however.
In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.
The N0 cop idea, especially his stated reason, doesn't make sense. Let's say the cop does answer the question and tells us all who they would've checked N0... that is not a confirmation of who the cop would target NP1, as there is a whole NP for circumstances to change. I think it's more likely to be a tool for scum to plan around than an actual cop crumb opportunity. If someone susses who they said they would check throughout the DP, mafia can plan around that. It's limited, but it can help mafia scout for any cop check coming their way, more than it helps town decipher who a dead cop visited. And even if town is able to figure that out, it doesn't tell us the result, because the cop would be dead. Even if not part of a scum plan to scout for anything, it still feels like a fake contribution off its uselssness.
This part actually makes a lot of sense to me. How many times do we lose cops who got innocents on someone and no one knew who the innocent was? While we don't have np0 on this site often, its definitely something that can be useful in the future. I don't think this exposes a cop if every person has to do it, and it doesn't tell them who they are going to cop, only who they would have if they did already. I just disagree with this as a FOS point. The rest is kind of meh in regards to helz. Open to him being scum but I don't know if he's the dp1 lynch based on anything I've seen so far. Shining has done nothing since posting he was here.
In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.
Originally Posted by NoAhLeEcLaRk on 10/7/2026 at 9:42 PM (post #298)
I have suspicion for the people that came in late but that's all so far, what do you think?
Mag has answered some of my questions, but he has not completely alleviated my unease of him. Also I am a little annoyed by shining, making an appearance just to do nothing. Not a fan of your contribution either, though I know a lot of it is due to inexperience. I would like to see you push a direction and make a decision sooner rather than later though that would help my unease about you. Lastly thoth's contribution has been whack, feels like he is barely contributing since we pressured him to play and when he has he hasn't done anything amazing.
Whiteflame, magic, helz, kohai I am okay with them for now, I would pursue one of the 3 I mentioned today I think.
In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.
Unofficial Vote Count
Helz (3/5): Mago, Mag1c, WF
Not voting: Kohai, Helz, Noah, Lunatic, Thoth, Shining
Triple checked this, it should be right.
I am a bit surprised you guys are okay with helz as our first lynch today.
In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.
I don’t think I am voting Helz but if I am that’s a mistake on my end, I thought I unvoted
VTL: Thoth
Aamirus, have you been Hitler recently?
- Kenny, 2019 (actual Mafia quote)
VTL Shining, down to switch to thoth or the new guy if people are inclined, and if shining wants to participate I can reconsider. But we are wasting limited time in the day phase and shining hasn't done anything other than a few nothing posts, this is not something we can deal with. If this player is scum he is getting a free pass. It's not purely policy at this point, nothing hurts worse than getting fucked by an inactive mafia team. Drafterman once said "An Active town will eat itself in the face of an inactive mafia". That qoute stuck with me, and he had a very good point.
In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.
Unofficial Vote Count
Helz (2/5): Mag1c, WF
Thoth (1/5): Magoroth
Shining (1/5): Lunatic
Not voting: Kohai, Helz, Noah, Thoth, Shining
In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.
If I’m the Cop my NP0 peek is Noah
Aamirus, have you been Hitler recently?
- Kenny, 2019 (actual Mafia quote)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 08/10/2026 at 10:54 (post #320)
VTL Shining, down to switch to thoth or the new guy if people are inclined, and if shining wants to participate I can reconsider. But we are wasting limited time in the day phase and shining hasn't done anything other than a few nothing posts, this is not something we can deal with. If this player is scum he is getting a free pass. It's not purely policy at this point, nothing hurts worse than getting fucked by an inactive mafia team. Drafterman once said "An Active town will eat itself in the face of an inactive mafia". That qoute stuck with me, and he had a very good point.
Sure this works for me
VTL Shining
Reason I prefer Thoth is that we have two inactives yet people mostly talked about only one of them. I realise Shining’s inactivity is worse than Thoth, but it could still indicate Thoth is scum and that’s why he’s been given a free(r) pass
Aamirus, have you been Hitler recently?
- Kenny, 2019 (actual Mafia quote)
Epstein’s Island Mafia Claimslist
Graveyard
None
Living
Claims
Kohai- Bill Clinton- Popular, confirmed (post 4/95, dp1)
Helz- Ehud Barak- Has an action, role unclaimed (post 14/174, dp1)
NoAhLeEcLaRk- David Copperfield (post 6, dp1)
Magoroth- Michael Jackson- Says role is unusual (post 43/178, dp1)
Unclaimed
Lunatic
Mag1cman
whiteflame- Refused to claim, says Epstein is prominent in his PM (post 89)
Thoth
Shining
In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.
Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/8/2026 at 2:58 AM (post #323)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 08/10/2026 at 10:54 (post #320)
VTL Shining, down to switch to thoth or the new guy if people are inclined, and if shining wants to participate I can reconsider. But we are wasting limited time in the day phase and shining hasn't done anything other than a few nothing posts, this is not something we can deal with. If this player is scum he is getting a free pass. It's not purely policy at this point, nothing hurts worse than getting fucked by an inactive mafia team. Drafterman once said "An Active town will eat itself in the face of an inactive mafia". That qoute stuck with me, and he had a very good point.
Sure this works for me
VTL Shining
Reason I prefer Thoth is that we have two inactives yet people mostly talked about only one of them. I realise Shining’s inactivity is worse than Thoth, but it could still indicate Thoth is scum and that’s why he’s been given a free(r) pass
I share the same skepticism about thoth, I will help pressure him with you after dp1 is resolved.
In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.
N0 Peek Claims
Helz- RexFavilla- not in game, old player list (post 14)
Kohai- NoAhLeEcLaRk (post 19)
Lunatic- whiteflame (post 153)
whiteflame- Mag1cman (post 158)
Mag1cman- “between Pie and Noah”, Pie not in game (post 163/164)
Thoth- Helz (post 235)
Magoroth- Noah (Post 322)
No peek posted
NoAhLeEcLaRk
Shining
In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.
You guys always go this route with me and yet you always end up eating shit when I flip town. Whats this about inactive scum? Isn't this my town play? I get its frustrating, but theres nothing to scum read me on lol. Anyway, I reckon you will be disappointed if you force me to character/full claim.
Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/8/2026 at 4:56 AM (post #322)
If I’m the Cop my NP0 peek is Noah
What does peek mean in this context?
Originally Posted by Shining on 10/8/2026 at 3:06 AM (post #327)
You guys always go this route with me and yet you always end up eating shit when I flip town. Whats this about inactive scum? Isn't this my town play? I get its frustrating, but theres nothing to scum read me on lol. Anyway, I reckon you will be disappointed if you force me to character/full claim.
No one is asking a lot from you though. We are simply asking you to play the game you signed up for, and i'll never understand why you even sign up for these if you can't read and stay caught up. How is this even fun for you? No deduction, or solving going on, which normally I would say indicates someone is scum.... you just do this all the time. Some times you actually are scum, and sometimes you are town. But blaming us for being victim to this behavior is wild. How are we supposed to play around and interact with a player who.. refuses to play? Like I really just need it to make sense to me. What are you doing here if you aren't going to play?
Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/8/2026 at 4:56 AM (post #322)
If I’m the Cop my NP0 peek is Noah
What does peek mean in this context?
This has been a large topic of the day phase that started fairly early, it's a shame you haven't even bothered to read the first few pages.
Anyways Helz offered this as an idea for cop claims, so if a town cop dies and doesn't reveal an innocent this allows them to do so without exposing who the cop is, since everyone is outting potential results. There is usually no np0 cops, so this will become more important after dp1, but we are doing it anyways, cuz why not.
In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.
I am a bit surprised you guys are okay with helz as our first lynch today.
So a bit of what I was doing was making myself an obvious TPR. Scum will want to reveal what I can do or eliminate me. Some people bit down on that trap of a sandwich. I think it was kinda funny but before I say more I will wait for others thoughts.
Originally Posted by Helz on 10/8/2026 at 4:01 AM (post #329)
I am a bit surprised you guys are okay with helz as our first lynch today.
So a bit of what I was doing was making myself an obvious TPR. Scum will want to reveal what I can do or eliminate me. Some people bit down on that trap of a sandwich. I think it was kinda funny but before I say more I will wait for others thoughts.
Between the 3 people voting you, who is likely scum team, or do you think one is off your wagon? Magic/whiteflame bandwagoning blatantly doesn't seem as likely as a move but its possible.
In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.
