Epstein's Island Mafia DP1

Originally Posted by NoAhLeEcLaRk on 10/6/2026 at 9:09 PM (post #149)

What do you mean hammering?

Hammering is when a player is lynched This happens once a person meets the number of votes (in this day phase 5) required to lynch

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/6/2026 at 9:10 PM (post #150)

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/6/2026 at 3:39 PM (post #81)

They claimed a "Popular" role modifier. This means for them to be eliminated they will require 1 extra vote. This can be proven by voting them to verify they do not get eliminated.

I personally just didn't care. I could see either Town or Wolves having such a modifier and I simply believe their claim given how easily it can be verified. So I accepted it as truth and moved on.

Same

To be clear wolves have had popular modifiers like this in Mikal’s games.

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/6/2026 at 4:35 PM (post #114)

Standard D1 strategy of insulating potential alignment cops N0 peek.

Essentially if every player posts a peek then if an alignment cop is killed we do not have to guess who they checked. If I am the alignment cop I am then insulated while town is given direct claims post flip. If I am not then any other alignment cop would be protected and able to out claims without fear.

Interesting strategy, I will say n0 roles are fairly uncommon here, (I have seen it 3-4 times probably though).

My n0 peek is whiteflame.

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/6/2026 at 7:11 PM (post #152)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/6/2026 at 9:10 PM (post #150)

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/6/2026 at 3:39 PM (post #81)

They claimed a "Popular" role modifier. This means for them to be eliminated they will require 1 extra vote. This can be proven by voting them to verify they do not get eliminated.

I personally just didn't care. I could see either Town or Wolves having such a modifier and I simply believe their claim given how easily it can be verified. So I accepted it as truth and moved on.

Same

To be clear wolves have had popular modifiers like this in Mikal’s games.

Yeah I have also made scum populars in many of my games, its very NAI.

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/6/2026 at 9:23 PM (post #154)

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/6/2026 at 7:11 PM (post #152)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/6/2026 at 9:10 PM (post #150)

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/6/2026 at 3:39 PM (post #81)

They claimed a "Popular" role modifier. This means for them to be eliminated they will require 1 extra vote. This can be proven by voting them to verify they do not get eliminated.

I personally just didn't care. I could see either Town or Wolves having such a modifier and I simply believe their claim given how easily it can be verified. So I accepted it as truth and moved on.

Same

To be clear wolves have had popular modifiers like this in Mikal’s games.

Yeah I have also made scum populars in many of my games, its very NAI.

Hence why I was clear that it would prove my role and not necessarily alignment

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/6/2026 at 7:23 PM (post #155)

Hence why I was clear that it would prove my role and not necessarily alignment

... I know?

Ok early reads, keeping it quick

Kohai - Null leaning town. The popular self vote is whatever, scum can be popular so it doesn't prove much. But he's been doing actual work explaining stuff to Noah, and unvoting so nobody accidentally hammers was a good look.

Helz - Lean town ish. Lots of process, n0 peeks are fine. Only thing I don't love is how hard he pushed everyone to drop flavor right away. That's exactly the info scum would want rn since they can only ask about 2 characters.

Mag1cman - Town lean. Reads feel genuine and he's actually pointing at people.

Noah - Null, he's new so idk how much to read into anything. He feels genuine, but I don't know what he looks like when he lies yet.

Whiteflame - Null for now. Not claiming flavor is just wf being wf, he says "don't mass claim" every game as both alignments, so it doesn't tell us anything by itself. What I'm actually watching is his reasoning for shutting it down. "We already have 3 character claims and a full claim so no point getting more" is fair, but it also conveniently stops the claim train right before it gets to him. Also his only real action so far is a vote on Shining plus "we should consider policy lynches," and voting the guy who hasn't shown up is about the safest vote in the game rn. Not scummy, just doesn't cost him anything. Wanna see him actually put a read on someone who's posting.

Magoroth - Slight scum lean. Claimed MJ the second Helz asked, then VTL Kohai with "idk why but I scumread this" which is... not a reason. Feels like he's trying to look busy without committing to anything.

Thoth - "Whazzup" lmao. Need more

Shining - Can't read what isn't there. Not super into a d1 policy on him yet when Thoth has like 1 post too.

VTL Magoroth

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/6/2026 at 9:16 PM (post #153)

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/6/2026 at 4:35 PM (post #114)

Standard D1 strategy of insulating potential alignment cops N0 peek.

Essentially if every player posts a peek then if an alignment cop is killed we do not have to guess who they checked. If I am the alignment cop I am then insulated while town is given direct claims post flip. If I am not then any other alignment cop would be protected and able to out claims without fear.

Interesting strategy, I will say n0 roles are fairly uncommon here, (I have seen it 3-4 times probably though).

My n0 peek is whiteflame.

Somehow missed this reading back through the early DP. Also, fair pick Luna.

If I had to pick, Mag1c would have been my n0 pick.

Whiteflame - Null for now. Not claiming flavor is just wf being wf, he says "don't mass claim" every game as both alignments, so it doesn't tell us anything by itself. What I'm actually watching is his reasoning for shutting it down. "We already have 3 character claims and a full claim so no point getting more" is fair, but it also conveniently stops the claim train right before it gets to him. Also his only real action so far is a vote on Shining plus "we should consider policy lynches," and voting the guy who hasn't shown up is about the safest vote in the game rn. Not scummy, just doesn't cost him anything. Wanna see him actually put a read on someone who's posting.

Relative lack of sleep is not helping with providing any kind of meaningful reads, but I’ll try to get something up to that extent, hopefully before I go to bed.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/6/2026 at 9:32 PM (post #158)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/6/2026 at 9:16 PM (post #153)

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/6/2026 at 4:35 PM (post #114)

Standard D1 strategy of insulating potential alignment cops N0 peek.

Essentially if every player posts a peek then if an alignment cop is killed we do not have to guess who they checked. If I am the alignment cop I am then insulated while town is given direct claims post flip. If I am not then any other alignment cop would be protected and able to out claims without fear.

Interesting strategy, I will say n0 roles are fairly uncommon here, (I have seen it 3-4 times probably though).

My n0 peek is whiteflame.

Somehow missed this reading back through the early DP. Also, fair pick Luna.

If I had to pick, Mag1c would have been my n0 pick.

i dont get the idea behind this

The idea is that if the cop dies we can look back and get their checks.

I guess if I had an NP1 cop, it's between Pie and Noah.

I hate reading noobs; having certainty on Pie is always great.

I'm highkey thankful Noah claimed even it wasn't a good play. It helps.

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 10/6/2026 at 10:15 PM (post #163)

I guess if I had an NP1 cop, it's between Pie and Noah.

I hate reading noobs; having certainty on Pie is always great.

I'm highkey thankful Noah claimed even it wasn't a good play. It helps.

NP0*

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 10/6/2026 at 8:15 PM (post #163)

I guess if I had an NP1 cop, it's between Pie and Noah.

I hate reading noobs; having certainty on Pie is always great.

I'm highkey thankful Noah claimed even it wasn't a good play. It helps.

You realize pie isn’t in the game right?

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/6/2026 at 10:19 PM (post #165)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 10/6/2026 at 8:15 PM (post #163)

I guess if I had an NP1 cop, it's between Pie and Noah.

I hate reading noobs; having certainty on Pie is always great.

I'm highkey thankful Noah claimed even it wasn't a good play. It helps.

You realize pie isn’t in the game right?

🤦‍♂️

Thats literally the second player who hypos a person not playing the game

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/6/2026 at 10:19 PM (post #165)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 10/6/2026 at 8:15 PM (post #163)

I guess if I had an NP1 cop, it's between Pie and Noah.

I hate reading noobs; having certainty on Pie is always great.

I'm highkey thankful Noah claimed even it wasn't a good play. It helps.

You realize pie isn’t in the game right?

I forgot he helped Savant smh

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 10/6/2026 at 10:32 PM (post #167)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/6/2026 at 10:19 PM (post #165)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 10/6/2026 at 8:15 PM (post #163)

I guess if I had an NP1 cop, it's between Pie and Noah.

I hate reading noobs; having certainty on Pie is always great.

I'm highkey thankful Noah claimed even it wasn't a good play. It helps.

You realize pie isn’t in the game right?

I forgot he helped Savant smh

🤦‍♂️

Alright, time to ramble... hopefully mostly coherently...

Luna - Those early uncertainties about night phases kind of looked town at first, though it comes off as just not having read the full OP, something I'm guilty of as both town and scum. I can largely get into his head so far, even if it's mostly NAI - variable perspective on mass claims, handling the speed of the game over 7 days, saying he'd check me with that n0 investigation - but the read list gives me more to dig into. A little light on his reads of Mag1c and Noah so far. A little unclear on why he has a light townread on Helz in part because he's sussing Magoroth for volunteering his own character so easily when Helz requested it, but it's enough to give me a slight townread.

Kohai - SOP, verified claim gives him some cred from where I'm sitting, even if the justification is a little wonky. Largely just acting as an active participant throughout the DP so far, mentioning the whole flavor as AI point (it's in the OP, but there was some uncertainty about it) and trying generally to keep Noah apprised of terminology and how things work. Slight town.

Noah - Seems genuinely uncertain of how to play through the game, though that can just be a natural response from either alignment since he's new here. The David Copperfield claim is probably the main reason I'm considering a town lean on him. It came up so early and without prompting that I can't imagine he has a scum partner who was involved in that decision. Maybe he jumped the gun, but for now, slight town.

Helz - By contrast, the early claim from Helz has me uneasy. The character isn't an obvious pick given the theme, but more importantly, it was entirely unprompted. I get that we're on a different timeline for this game than usual, but that seemed like a strange choice. I like the idea of the N0 peek, but it's NAI, especially given the whole weirdness around picking Rex who isn't in the game. I found it weird that he asked about Magoroth's flavor as well. Fair takes on my responses so far, but still, null with a slight scum tinge.

Magoroth - Similar with Magoroth. The decision to claim early after Helz requested it, the weird post suggesting that he was thinking about pushing for a mass role claim but thought better of it, and the unclear scumread on Kohai doesn't help. A combination of my uncertainty on Magoroth's scum tells (I tend to be led astray a lot with him) and his claim keep me from a more solid scumread. Maybe it's just my assumption, but I figured Michael Jackson would be in the game pretty early. Not a slam dunk, but also not someone I'd expect scum to ask about early, and especially with the addition of that point about his PM not mentioning Epstein, I'm hesitant to scumread him more. Slight scum.

Mag1c - Decent early reads on Magoroth, Luna and Noah, not much else beyond thinking that Pie was in this game when he isn't. Null.

Shining and Thoth haven't really gotten involved yet, so I'll leave it here for the night.

One thing that kinda struck me about the n0 hypos here: Both Helz and Mag1c hypos folks not in the game. Not sure if that means anything or not.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/6/2026 at 9:16 PM (post #169)

Alright, time to ramble... hopefully mostly coherently...

Luna - Those early uncertainties about night phases kind of looked town at first, though it comes off as just not having read the full OP, something I'm guilty of as both town and scum. I can largely get into his head so far, even if it's mostly NAI - variable perspective on mass claims, handling the speed of the game over 7 days, saying he'd check me with that n0 investigation - but the read list gives me more to dig into. A little light on his reads of Mag1c and Noah so far. A little unclear on why he has a light townread on Helz in part because he's sussing Magoroth for volunteering his own character so easily when Helz requested it, but it's enough to give me a slight townread.

On Helz vs Magoroth, fair callout, but they're not the same thing to me. Helz asking for flavor is the part I said I didn't love. Asking is fishing, though, and fishing can come from either side. My Magoroth lean isn't really about the MJ claim by itself. It's the claim plus the "idk why but I scumread this" VTL on Kohai right after. That's a vote with no reason attached, and it's the main thing I'm on him for. The claim is just extra.

Alittle extra on magic/ noah since you said the reads were light.

Mag1c: lean town still, the part I actually like is that he went back and pointed at Mag and Helz for the early character claiming. That's a real read on people actively posting, not just vibes.

Noah: null, I'm being careful bc he's new. The instaclaim was literally him copying Kohai, which he admitted, and that reads more newbie than scum. What I'm watching is that he said he was suspicious of me, then dropped it as soon as Mag1c said his townread was weak. That's pretty sheepy. Same with putting Shining at L-1 without seeming to know what a hammer was yet. Not scum stuff, just means I can't read him off much yet.