Epstein's Island Mafia DP2

Epstein’s Island Mafia Claimslist

Graveyard

Lynched DP1:

Shining - You are Bill Gates. In addition to your work on technology, you have been involved in many healthcare initiatives, accelerating access to vaccines and injecting people with microchips to track them and keep them safe. Because of your work improving global health, you are the 2x Doctor, which is also the name of a game you may have played with children on Epstein’s Island. On two nights of your choosing, you can select a player to protect from fatal attacks. You win with the Town.

Died NP1:

Magoroth - You are Michael Jackson. Often called the “King of Pop,” you are widely regarded as one of the most culturally significant figures of the 20th century. You were also accused of sexually abusing at least 10 children, and that’s before we even get to the Epstein connections. Because you are widely known for your music, you are the Singer. If you die at night, a random living town player’s role PM will be revealed to the mafia. You win with the Town.

Living

Claims

Kohai- Bill Clinton- Popular, confirmed (post 4/95, dp1)

Helz- Ehud Barak- Has an action, role unclaimed (post 14/174, dp1)

NoAhLeEcLaRk- David Copperfield (post 6, dp1)

whiteflame- Refused to claim, says Epstein is prominent in his PM (post 89) - Claimed vanillaized

Mag1cman - Claimed to have been blackmailed

Unclaimed

Lunatic

Mag1cman

Thoth

Originally Posted by NoAhLeEcLaRk on 10/9/2026 at 10:13 AM (post #29)

You was so fast to explain what you are, seems scummy.

You have me mixed up with someone else buddy.

Originally Posted by NoAhLeEcLaRk on 10/9/2026 at 10:16 AM (post #32)

I agree Helz/Lunatic are the most suspicious here, and Lunatic seems to be getting hostile or defensive about us making a claim?

Can you point out where I was defensive?

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/9/2026 at 10:13 AM (post #30)

Originally Posted by NoAhLeEcLaRk on 10/9/2026 at 11:37 AM (post #27)

I still have suspicion of Lunati

As do I

Why.

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/9/2026 at 12:21 PM (post #35)

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/9/2026 at 10:13 AM (post #30)

Originally Posted by NoAhLeEcLaRk on 10/9/2026 at 11:37 AM (post #27)

I still have suspicion of Lunati

As do I

Why.

It's simple POE. As of now, there are 15 possible teams:

Helz, Lunatic

Helz, Mag1cman

Helz, NoAhLeEcLaRk

Helz, whiteflame

Helz, Thoth

Lunatic, Mag1cman

Lunatic, NoAhLeEcLaRk

Lunatic, whiteflame

Lunatic, Thoth

Mag1cman, NoAhLeEcLaRk

Mag1cman, whiteflame

Mag1cman, Thoth

NoAhLeEcLaRk, whiteflame

NoAhLeEcLaRk, Thoth

whiteflame, Thoth

Helz, Mag1c are never a team so that leaves us with

Helz, Lunatic

Helz, Mag1cman

Helz, NoAhLeEcLaRk

Helz, whiteflame

Helz, Thoth

Lunatic, Mag1cman

Lunatic, NoAhLeEcLaRk

Lunatic, whiteflame

Lunatic, Thoth

Mag1cman, NoAhLeEcLaRk

Mag1cman, whiteflame

Mag1cman, Thoth

NoAhLeEcLaRk, whiteflame

NoAhLeEcLaRk, Thoth

whiteflame, Thoth

Noah remains my strongest town read for the early claim + they do feel like n00b town. Removing Noah leaves us with:

Helz, Lunatic

Helz, whiteflame

Helz, Thoth

Lunatic, Mag1cman

Lunatic, whiteflame

Lunatic, Thoth

Mag1cman, whiteflame

Mag1cman, Thoth

whiteflame, Thoth

Thoth is my second strongest town read. Their play this game feels similar to last game. I'll also analyze their iso more leaving a poe of

Helz, Lunatic

Helz, whiteflame

Lunatic, Mag1cman

Lunatic, whiteflame

Mag1cman, whiteflame

I do have a slight tr on both mag1c and whiteflame. So that leaves us with exactly

Helz, Lunatic

There's a lot of stuff I dislike about helz. For example, their early frustration with flavor being AI is something that I see more from w!Helz. I think the most damming thing from his ISO was asking mag to claim flavor unpromptly and then him being killed. Even worse, he stated:

N0 cop claims is very standard practice globally within the mafia community. It works very well and is frustrating for scum. I get that your new to the idea but there is a reason its such an accepted play. I would challenge you to find a single standard mafia championship game with a confirmed cop where it was not used. There is a reason for that- it actually works for town and hurts scum.

He's played enough games on here to know that this isn't our typical meta. Furthermore, he played many games on our site before so why only now is he asking us to do something that's standard practice elsewhere?

Originally Posted by NoAhLeEcLaRk on 10/9/2026 at 10:24 AM (post #36)

automatically questioning my decision, wanting answers, in reality I don't have to answer for my opinion or suspicion, it's something I think therefore I will keep watching to make my final claim on what I think about you

I am questioning you because you are a player in this game, how do I solve you if I don't ask you questions or get opinions from you?

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/9/2026 at 10:30 AM (post #37)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/9/2026 at 12:21 PM (post #35)

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/9/2026 at 10:13 AM (post #30)

Originally Posted by NoAhLeEcLaRk on 10/9/2026 at 11:37 AM (post #27)

I still have suspicion of Lunati

As do I

Why.

It's simple POE. As of now, there are 15 possible teams:

Helz, Lunatic

Helz, Mag1cman

Helz, NoAhLeEcLaRk

Helz, whiteflame

Helz, Thoth

Lunatic, Mag1cman

Lunatic, NoAhLeEcLaRk

Lunatic, whiteflame

Lunatic, Thoth

Mag1cman, NoAhLeEcLaRk

Mag1cman, whiteflame

Mag1cman, Thoth

NoAhLeEcLaRk, whiteflame

NoAhLeEcLaRk, Thoth

whiteflame, Thoth

Helz, Mag1c are never a team so that leaves us with

Helz, Lunatic

Helz, Mag1cman

Helz, NoAhLeEcLaRk

Helz, whiteflame

Helz, Thoth

Lunatic, Mag1cman

Lunatic, NoAhLeEcLaRk

Lunatic, whiteflame

Lunatic, Thoth

Mag1cman, NoAhLeEcLaRk

Mag1cman, whiteflame

Mag1cman, Thoth

NoAhLeEcLaRk, whiteflame

NoAhLeEcLaRk, Thoth

whiteflame, Thoth

Noah remains my strongest town read for the early claim + they do feel like n00b town. Removing Noah leaves us with:

Helz, Lunatic

Helz, whiteflame

Helz, Thoth

Lunatic, Mag1cman

Lunatic, whiteflame

Lunatic, Thoth

Mag1cman, whiteflame

Mag1cman, Thoth

whiteflame, Thoth

Thoth is my second strongest town read. Their play this game feels similar to last game. I'll also analyze their iso more leaving a poe of

Helz, Lunatic

Helz, whiteflame

Lunatic, Mag1cman

Lunatic, whiteflame

Mag1cman, whiteflame

I do have a slight tr on both mag1c and whiteflame. So that leaves us with exactly

Helz, Lunatic

There's a lot of stuff I dislike about helz. For example, their early frustration with flavor being AI is something that I see more from w!Helz. I think the most damming thing from his ISO was asking mag to claim flavor unpromptly and then him being killed. Even worse, he stated:

N0 cop claims is very standard practice globally within the mafia community. It works very well and is frustrating for scum. I get that your new to the idea but there is a reason its such an accepted play. I would challenge you to find a single standard mafia championship game with a confirmed cop where it was not used. There is a reason for that- it actually works for town and hurts scum.

He's played enough games on here to know that this isn't our typical meta. Furthermore, he played many games on our site before so why only now is he asking us to do something that's standard practice elsewhere?

What I find interesting about this analysis is how you are removing certain teams based on loosely explained town reads like Noah and thoth, which feel more like vibe reads, and you lumping me in with helz. You are ignoring a helz/magic bus for some reason, but you also think someone like me who is notorious for bussing as scum (I seriously do it every game, even last game I was scum with Pie I bussed him), yet you think I am paired with helz despite never pushing him once and even defending that I wouldn't lynch him dp1. So your proposing that I randomly switched into a meta where I pro buddying my team mate? The whole POE analysis feels far too early to be putting confident pairs together like that IMO.

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Helz (2/4): Mag1cman (p#8), Kohai (p#13)

Not Voting (5): Helz, Lunatic, NoAhLeEcLaRk, whiteflame, Thoth

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Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/9/2026 at 12:43 PM (post #39)

What I find interesting about this analysis is how you are removing certain teams based on loosely explained town reads like Noah and thoth, which feel more like vibe reads, and you lumping me in with helz. You are ignoring a helz/magic bus for some reason, but you also think someone like me who is notorious for bussing as scum (I seriously do it every game, even last game I was scum with Pie I bussed him), yet you think I am paired with helz despite never pushing him once and even defending that I wouldn't lynch him dp1. So your proposing that I randomly switched into a meta where I pro buddying my team mate? The whole POE analysis feels far too early to be putting confident pairs together like that IMO.

Fair points. What do you think is the most plausible team?

FTR Helz is far stronger of a SR than you.

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/9/2026 at 10:44 AM (post #41)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/9/2026 at 12:43 PM (post #39)

What I find interesting about this analysis is how you are removing certain teams based on loosely explained town reads like Noah and thoth, which feel more like vibe reads, and you lumping me in with helz. You are ignoring a helz/magic bus for some reason, but you also think someone like me who is notorious for bussing as scum (I seriously do it every game, even last game I was scum with Pie I bussed him), yet you think I am paired with helz despite never pushing him once and even defending that I wouldn't lynch him dp1. So your proposing that I randomly switched into a meta where I pro buddying my team mate? The whole POE analysis feels far too early to be putting confident pairs together like that IMO.

Fair points. What do you think is the most plausible team?

FTR Helz is far stronger of a SR than you.

I am dubious of the helz wagon only because magic was sussing him all day phase and then he suddenly gets blackmailed, it kind of seems like it was set up to frame him. Do you think helz would be that blatant in blackmailing someone who was suspicious of him? I am open to it, but I am very very dubious.

Thoth is among my top reads, barely participating more than shining last day phase, I almost which I had let mago convince me to lynch him over shining, since shining is notorious for this behavior on both sides. Whiteflame I will stay open minded to as well but my initial thought with him is again that claiming to be vanillized is a strange strategy for scum to play. I can revisit that in the future and probably will, but it's enough for me to have some feelings about him being town. And I am not going to lie man, I find it really weird that you are the only other person in the game to mention a vanillizer in dp1. I just was skimming dp1 and seen you mention it. That said, if you are scum then one of magic or whiteflame would have to be lying since mafia usually only have an action each plus the night kill and you are confirmed popular.

Noah is weird for me, he's getting a lot of noob passes but I don't know how long I can give him those. His thoughts have felt pretty bland throughout the game. I am keeping in mind that this is a younger person, so I don't want to expect high level of play or anything. But his suspicions and overall activity haven't given me a lot to work with.

So all in all, I would have to say I am pretty open to everyone being scum but if I had to eliminate two I would say helz and whiteflame are more likely town in the group I mentioned. I can see magic pulling off some gambit here with the silence thing, especially knowing how busy he is in real life with his pizza shop. I do want to see how helz responds to some of the pressure he's getting, though from my pov there isn't a lot of shove behind it either.

Originally Posted by NoAhLeEcLaRk on 10/9/2026 at 11:30 AM (post #43)

How am I being suspicious, all i'm doing is listening and observing so I can learn the game, are you expecting me to know it all right away?

I didn't say I expected you to know everything right away. Just a bit more thought process and contribution than what you have been giving.

I only have suspicion of you because how fast you were declaring what you were, even as a noob I'm smart enough to know that would have created suspicion of me

Can you please explained the bolded? I am so confused.

But prove us (as in me and Kohai so far) that we are wrong about you and that your not a scum

Guilty until proven innocent? Also how am I supposed to "prove" that? You can start by giving me a real reason you actually scum read me and I am happy to engage with you.

I just read up and have some commentary to make, but a few things to do in real life first.

Heads up: I am straight in the path of Hurricane Isaias, so there is a decent chance I will lose power for a while. I should still be able to play through cellular connection.

Well I guess we will have a shitshow today.

I am going to say- the one other time I was misslynched as town this game basically came from people making vague "Dude is scumy" claims. I spent hours begging town to ask me anything and I particularly remember looking back at the game and one of the wolves kept pushing the narrative that they had made a case as I called them out saying "What is this mythical reasoning you have not said" but nobody in the town cared to even look. Lets please not do that this time around. Please call out whatever you feel I have done thats scummy and I really can explain myself. I am not even doing fancy stuff this game.

I will also say I question the blackmailed issue. An entire conversation happened of if Blackmailer is a bastard mechanic or not. I was flatly told there is no bastard mechanics in this game. This does get into some of the stupid where the site has not outlined specifics but I want to say it was talked about and decided that it was a low level of bastard. That makes me question Mag1cian.

Me hard pegging Mag as town, them being killed, and then Mag1c being blackmailed who I was in open conflict with is pretty obvious. I really do hope you guys give me more credit than that as a player. Makes me feel this push is contrived.

I also feel a Blackmailer + Vanalizer + a hard time limit for town or default loose is wildly imbalanced which brings me back to feeling there is at least 1 scum between WF and Mag1c. That just sounds utterly stupid to me and given Savant and Pie balanced this I really doubt it unless town is fucking loaded. And even then it would just be a super swingy mess.

Thats my initial thoughts.

Not much I can say to Kohai's pre flop association hunting other than its just wrong. I can answer for my own actions. I can not answer for whatever you have in your head about everyone around me.

I think I am between Mag1c and WF today. One or the other has to be lying. Both are convenient actions to claim for scum.

I also feel the fact I was not killed claiming to be a TPR translates to the scum having a strong player on their team. Yes I am not doing well engaging but regardless I do see a lot of opportunistic positioning in this situation that I do not buy when considering basic game balance. I will ask the host publicly if a Blackmailer is considered blackmail although it puts them in a really fucked up position. I think its as simple as Mag1c being scum but I also had concerns about WF yesterday.

Also, @WhiteFlame given your only reasoning for not revealing flavor yesterday was that it indicates your role and now you claim to have none care to reveal now? I feel like thats a good starting point to work off. Kinda ironic that every game I have played on this site I have been super anti-claim while everyone else is for it yet the second I push for it I am accused of looking scummy for it. Lol.. This sites meta is fucking bipolar as shit.

So just for the ping could you reveal your role and flavor? I feel both help solve the game and you have no reason to withhold either at this point. Posting this way so you get a notification.

I truly do hate to ask. Is Blackmailer considered Bastard? Im sorry for putting you in a situation asking this question.

I will say after this game we really need to outline community standards of what is or is not bastard.. I thought it was talked about but I am unhappy with what I thought this game was vs what it is. I really did not sign up for this experience but I will do what I can.

Oh shit. Check this out-

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/3p/solo-leveling---day-phase-3?commentId=69dc0abcf1ca45e4130c77c3

Here is the end game

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/endgames/posts/4a/solo-leveling-endgame

So this is what I was talking about. And it was Mag1c that did it. Said over and over and over to town pushing that I was scum and people just followed the rhetoric and nobody cared to verify even as I called out again and again that they have never even made any points as to why I was scum. They (as scum) shoved through my misslynch.

Im going to avoid snap voting but I think its just as simple as a W! Mag1c faking a blackmailed claim after contriving kills to frame me.

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/9/2026 at 7:28 PM (post #54)

So just for the ping could you reveal your role and flavor? I feel both help solve the game and you have no reason to withhold either at this point. Posting this way so you get a notification.

If there are at least a few people who agree that I should do this, I will. Like I said, I see some value in keeping that info hidden, but given that I don’t have a role anymore, I’m fine with claiming if seeking that information has any kind of broad support. Luna said no, you’re saying yes, so I’m in a holding pattern atm.

Putting this to everyone: should I claim or no? There’s value in the information, but at least for the sake of preventing fake claims, there’s value in keeping it hidden as well. I’ll give away this much: my character is going to be pretty obvious for this theme.