Epstein's Island Mafia DP2 | Mafia

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--> @Helz, @Kohai, @Lunatic, @Mag1cman, @NoAhLeEcLaRk, @Thoth, @whiteflame

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Lynched DP1: Shining - You are Bill Gates. In addition to your work on technology, you have been involved in many healthcare initiatives, accelerating access to vaccines and injecting people with microchips to track them and keep them safe. Because of your work improving global health, you are the 2x Doctor, which is also the name of a game you may have played with children on Epstein’s Island. On two nights of your choosing, you can select a player to protect from fatal attacks. You win with the Town. Died NP1: Magoroth - You are Michael Jackson. Often called the “King of Pop,” you are widely regarded as one of the most culturally significant figures of the 20th century. You were also accused of sexually abusing at least 10 children, and that’s before we even get to the Epstein connections. Because you are widely known for your music, you are the Singer. If you die at night, a random living town player’s role PM will be revealed to the mafia. You win with the Town. Remaining Players:<ol><li>Helz</li><li>Kohai</li><li>Lunatic</li><li>Mag1cman</li><li>NoAhLeEcLaRk</li><li>whiteflame</li><li>Thoth</li></ol> With 7 players remaining, it takes 4 votes to lynch. The game will default to a mafia victory on Wednesday, October 13 at 8:00AM Eastern unless the mafia have been eliminated before then.

ISO #2

Alright… so I was Vanillaized and scum have a living town player’s PM to work with for their fake claims. Love that.

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I am blackmailed.

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I still don’t know what to type!

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VTL Helz

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I still don’t know what to type!

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Not Voting (7): Helz, Kohai, Lunatic, Mag1cman, NoAhLeEcLaRk, whiteflame, Thoth

With 7 players alive, the base elimination threshold is 4. Configured role modifiers may change vote power or an individual player's threshold. Day phase ends in 5 days, 6 hours.
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--> @whiteflame

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/9/2026 at 7:43 AM (post #2)

Alright… so I was Vanillaized and scum have a living town player’s PM to work with for their fake claims. Love that.

Use VTL:

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"Kohai, your entrance to the thread was legendary, you had a solve and a winning PoE right when you showed up, super impressive stuff, even more so considering it wasn't even your objective!!" - Zrein

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--> @Mag1cman

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 10/9/2026 at 8:28 AM (post #4)

VTL Helz

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"Kohai, your entrance to the thread was legendary, you had a solve and a winning PoE right when you showed up, super impressive stuff, even more so considering it wasn't even your objective!!" - Zrein

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VTL: Helz

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I still don’t know what to type!

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Helz (1/4): Mag1cman (p#8)

Not Voting (6): Helz, Kohai, Lunatic, NoAhLeEcLaRk, whiteflame, Thoth

With 7 players alive, the base elimination threshold is 4. Configured role modifiers may change vote power or an individual player's threshold. Day phase ends in 5 days, 6 hours.
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Going to be an extremely busy weekend fyi

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"Kohai, your entrance to the thread was legendary, you had a solve and a winning PoE right when you showed up, super impressive stuff, even more so considering it wasn't even your objective!!" - Zrein

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Helz / Lunatic team?

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"Kohai, your entrance to the thread was legendary, you had a solve and a winning PoE right when you showed up, super impressive stuff, even more so considering it wasn't even your objective!!" - Zrein

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--> @Mag1cman

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 10/9/2026 at 8:20 AM (post #3)

I am blackmailed.

Scum Blackmailer/Vanillaizer? I guess that's plausible. The balance in this game seems a little wonky, I'm still thinking it through.

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VTL: Helz

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"Kohai, your entrance to the thread was legendary, you had a solve and a winning PoE right when you showed up, super impressive stuff, even more so considering it wasn't even your objective!!" - Zrein

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--> @Mag1cman

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 10/9/2026 at 8:32 AM (post #8)

VTL: Helz

Hmmm... alright, I won't pry on this given the Blackmail situation (not that it's impossible for you to fake that, but I'll set that possibility aside for now).

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Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/9/2026 at 8:49 AM (post #13)

VTL: Helz

Going to need some explanation for this. Do you have pertinent information or are you just following Mag1c's lead?

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--> @whiteflame

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/9/2026 at 8:50 AM (post #15)

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/9/2026 at 8:49 AM (post #13)

VTL: Helz

Going to need some explanation for this. Do you have pertinent information or are you just following Mag1c's lead?

I’ll explaij when I get home and nit mobile oostijg

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<blockquote>Originally Posted by <a href="/users/whiteflame" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">whiteflame</a> on 10/9/2026 at 8:50 AM (post <a href="https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/8g/epsteins-island-mafia-dp2?comment_number=15" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">#15</a>)</blockquote><blockquote> </blockquote><blockquote>Originally Posted by <a href="/users/Kohai" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Kohai</a> on 10/9/2026 at 8:49 AM (post <a href="https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/8g/epsteins-island-mafia-dp2?comment_number=13" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">#13</a>)</blockquote><blockquote>VTL: Helz</blockquote><blockquote> </blockquote><blockquote>Going to need some explanation for this. Do you have pertinent information or are you just following Mag1c's lead?</blockquote> I’ll explaij when I get home and nit mobile oostijg

"Kohai, your entrance to the thread was legendary, you had a solve and a winning PoE right when you showed up, super impressive stuff, even more so considering it wasn't even your objective!!" - Zrein

ISO #17

Also, I'm willing to full claim if desired, especially given that I don't have my role anymore. The value in keeping it to myself at this point is just in the potential for a CC, which isn't nothing, so I'll hold off for now.

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--> @Kohai

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/9/2026 at 8:51 AM (post #16)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/9/2026 at 8:50 AM (post #15)

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/9/2026 at 8:49 AM (post #13)

VTL: Helz

Going to need some explanation for this. Do you have pertinent information or are you just following Mag1c's lead?

I’ll explaij when I get home and nit mobile oostijg

Alright then.

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<blockquote>Originally Posted by <a href="/users/Kohai" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Kohai</a> on 10/9/2026 at 8:51 AM (post <a href="https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/8g/epsteins-island-mafia-dp2?comment_number=16" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">#16</a>)</blockquote><blockquote> </blockquote><blockquote>Originally Posted by <a href="/users/whiteflame" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">whiteflame</a> on 10/9/2026 at 8:50 AM (post <a href="https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/8g/epsteins-island-mafia-dp2?comment_number=15" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">#15</a>)</blockquote><blockquote> </blockquote><blockquote>Originally Posted by <a href="/users/Kohai" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Kohai</a> on 10/9/2026 at 8:49 AM (post <a href="https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/8g/epsteins-island-mafia-dp2?comment_number=13" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">#13</a>)</blockquote><blockquote>VTL: Helz</blockquote><blockquote> </blockquote><blockquote>Going to need some explanation for this. Do you have pertinent information or are you just following Mag1c's lead?</blockquote><blockquote> </blockquote><blockquote>I’ll explaij when I get home and nit mobile oostijg</blockquote> Alright then.

ISO #19

--> @whiteflame

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/9/2026 at 8:52 AM (post #18)

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/9/2026 at 8:51 AM (post #16)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/9/2026 at 8:50 AM (post #15)

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/9/2026 at 8:49 AM (post #13)

VTL: Helz

Going to need some explanation for this. Do you have pertinent information or are you just following Mag1c's lead?

I’ll explaij when I get home and nit mobile oostijg

Alright then.

Nut shell is this is POE. I have decent reasons to have town reads on the others.

With mag dead i strongly dislike that Helz was pressuring him for a character claim.

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<blockquote>Originally Posted by <a href="/users/whiteflame" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">whiteflame</a> on 10/9/2026 at 8:52 AM (post <a href="https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/8g/epsteins-island-mafia-dp2?comment_number=18" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">#18</a>)</blockquote><blockquote> </blockquote><blockquote>Originally Posted by <a href="/users/Kohai" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Kohai</a> on 10/9/2026 at 8:51 AM (post <a href="https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/8g/epsteins-island-mafia-dp2?comment_number=16" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">#16</a>)</blockquote><blockquote> </blockquote><blockquote>Originally Posted by <a href="/users/whiteflame" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">whiteflame</a> on 10/9/2026 at 8:50 AM (post <a href="https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/8g/epsteins-island-mafia-dp2?comment_number=15" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">#15</a>)</blockquote><blockquote> </blockquote><blockquote>Originally Posted by <a href="/users/Kohai" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Kohai</a> on 10/9/2026 at 8:49 AM (post <a href="https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/8g/epsteins-island-mafia-dp2?comment_number=13" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">#13</a>)</blockquote><blockquote>VTL: Helz</blockquote><blockquote> </blockquote><blockquote>Going to need some explanation for this. Do you have pertinent information or are you just following Mag1c's lead?</blockquote><blockquote> </blockquote><blockquote>I’ll explaij when I get home and nit mobile oostijg</blockquote><blockquote> </blockquote><blockquote>Alright then.</blockquote> Nut shell is this is POE. I have decent reasons to have town reads on the others. With mag dead i strongly dislike that Helz was pressuring him for a character claim.

"Kohai, your entrance to the thread was legendary, you had a solve and a winning PoE right when you showed up, super impressive stuff, even more so considering it wasn't even your objective!!" - Zrein

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What does being blackmailed mean? Can't say a certain word?

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In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.

ISO #21

--> @Kohai

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/9/2026 at 6:36 AM (post #11)

Helz / Lunatic team?

Wanna explain that one to me?

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In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.

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--> @whiteflame

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/9/2026 at 5:43 AM (post #2)

Alright… so I was Vanillaized and scum have a living town player’s PM to work with for their fake claims. Love that.

You were vanillaized? Damn.

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In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.

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--> @whiteflame

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/9/2026 at 6:51 AM (post #17)

Also, I'm willing to full claim if desired, especially given that I don't have my role anymore. The value in keeping it to myself at this point is just in the potential for a CC, which isn't nothing, so I'll hold off for now.

Yeah probably hold onto it for now, I personally believe you being vannilized, that's a wierd thing to make up.

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In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.

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--> @Lunatic

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/9/2026 at 9:40 AM (post #20)

What does being blackmailed mean? Can't say a certain word?

That's usually what it means. Last time I recall seeing this played was in Magoroth's Amber game where Bullish (he was Oberon) was Blackmailed. Got himself modkilled by... I believe it was Casey at the time, though they swapped in for Thoth at some point.

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/endgames/posts/5o/amber-endgame

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/iso?userids=69f0e3b9dee4aca7a84cf6c9&postids=69f791e90b2f89d5f87f662a

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--> @Lunatic

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/9/2026 at 9:44 AM (post #22)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/9/2026 at 5:43 AM (post #2)

Alright… so I was Vanillaized and scum have a living town player’s PM to work with for their fake claims. Love that.

You were vanillaized? Damn.

Yeah probably hold onto it for now, I personally believe you being vannilized, that's a wierd thing to make up.

That's the plan. And yeah, people can feel free to read into it if they want, but fake claiming a Vanillaizer would certainly be a choice given that any scum flip that doesn't contain a Vanillaizer would instantly implicate me.

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<blockquote>Originally Posted by <a href="/users/Lunatic" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Lunatic</a> on 10/9/2026 at 9:44 AM (post <a href="https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/8g/epsteins-island-mafia-dp2?comment_number=22" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">#22</a>)</blockquote><blockquote> </blockquote><blockquote>Originally Posted by <a href="/users/whiteflame" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">whiteflame</a> on 10/9/2026 at 5:43 AM (post <a href="https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/8g/epsteins-island-mafia-dp2?comment_number=2" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">#2</a>)</blockquote><blockquote>Alright… so I was Vanillaized and scum have a living town player’s PM to work with for their fake claims. Love that.</blockquote><blockquote>You were vanillaized? Damn.</blockquote><blockquote>Yeah probably hold onto it for now, I personally believe you being vannilized, that's a wierd thing to make up.</blockquote> That's the plan. And yeah, people can feel free to read into it if they want, but fake claiming a Vanillaizer would certainly be a choice given that any scum flip that doesn't contain a Vanillaizer would instantly implicate me.

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--> @whiteflame

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/9/2026 at 7:49 AM (post #24)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/9/2026 at 9:40 AM (post #20)

What does being blackmailed mean? Can't say a certain word?

That's usually what it means. Last time I recall seeing this played was in Magoroth's Amber game where Bullish (he was Oberon) was Blackmailed. Got himself modkilled by... I believe it was Casey at the time, though they swapped in for Thoth at some point.

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/endgames/posts/5o/amber-endgame

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/iso?userids=69f0e3b9dee4aca7a84cf6c9&postids=69f791e90b2f89d5f87f662a

I have created roles similar to this before, though I don't remember what I've named them. Hmm, interesting.

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<blockquote>Originally Posted by <a href="/users/whiteflame" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">whiteflame</a> on 10/9/2026 at 7:49 AM (post <a href="https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/8g/epsteins-island-mafia-dp2?comment_number=24" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">#24</a>)</blockquote><blockquote> </blockquote><blockquote>Originally Posted by <a href="/users/Lunatic" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Lunatic</a> on 10/9/2026 at 9:40 AM (post <a href="https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/8g/epsteins-island-mafia-dp2?comment_number=20" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">#20</a>)</blockquote><blockquote>What does being blackmailed mean? Can't say a certain word?</blockquote><blockquote> </blockquote><blockquote>That's usually what it means. Last time I recall seeing this played was in Magoroth's Amber game where Bullish (he was Oberon) was Blackmailed. Got himself modkilled by... I believe it was Casey at the time, though they swapped in for Thoth at some point.</blockquote><blockquote> </blockquote><blockquote>https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/endgames/posts/5o/amber-endgame</blockquote><blockquote>https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/iso?userids=69f0e3b9dee4aca7a84cf6c9&postids=69f791e90b2f89d5f87f662a</blockquote>I have created roles similar to this before, though I don't remember what I've named them. Hmm, interesting.

In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.

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Originally Posted by NoAhLeEcLaRk on 10/9/2026 at 9:37 AM (post #27)

I still have suspicion of Lunati

Can you explain why?

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In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.

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Originally Posted by NoAhLeEcLaRk on 10/9/2026 at 11:37 AM (post #27)

I still have suspicion of Lunati

As do I

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"Kohai, your entrance to the thread was legendary, you had a solve and a winning PoE right when you showed up, super impressive stuff, even more so considering it wasn't even your objective!!" - Zrein

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