I was working up a breakdown of Luna / Thoth. Specifically focused on if Lunas side was consistent. This is what I was pulling-
So Lunatic-
Their frustration with Shining D1 seemed pretty legit. That gave me a town read. While I am weird enough to get pissed about lurkers as scum I typically see town being the ones that get mad about it and I do not think that was faked. They also seem to push Noah to a lesser extent but with the same focus on D2.
D2 they are immediately focused on being told they could be partnered with me. Kinda makes sense for them to jump on that for a T! Lunatic defending themselves but also defending a green check. This post specifically caught my attention-
I am dubious of the helz wagon only because magic was sussing him all day phase and then he suddenly gets blackmailed, it kind of seems like it was set up to frame him. Do you think helz would be that blatant in blackmailing someone who was suspicious of him? I am open to it, but I am very very dubious.
Thoth is among my top reads, barely participating more than shining last day phase, I almost which I had let mago convince me to lynch him over shining, since shining is notorious for this behavior on both sides. Whiteflame I will stay open minded to as well but my initial thought with him is again that claiming to be vanillized is a strange strategy for scum to play. I can revisit that in the future and probably will, but it's enough for me to have some feelings about him being town. And I am not going to lie man, I find it really weird that you are the only other person in the game to mention a vanillizer in dp1. I just was skimming dp1 and seen you mention it. That said, if you are scum then one of magic or whiteflame would have to be lying since mafia usually only have an action each plus the night kill and you are confirmed popular.
Noah is weird for me, he's getting a lot of noob passes but I don't know how long I can give him those. His thoughts have felt pretty bland throughout the game. I am keeping in mind that this is a younger person, so I don't want to expect high level of play or anything. But his suspicions and overall activity haven't given me a lot to work with.
So all in all, I would have to say I am pretty open to everyone being scum but if I had to eliminate two I would say helz and whiteflame are more likely town in the group I mentioned. I can see magic pulling off some gambit here with the silence thing, especially knowing how busy he is in real life with his pizza shop. I do want to see how helz responds to some of the pressure he's getting, though from my pov there isn't a lot of shove behind it either.
Then later in post 238 there is more of the same challenging a FoS on me. This also lines up with having a green check.
@Mag1cman, I'm not sure what you're allowed to say, but if you can, could you explain the Helz vote at all? Even a yes or no on whether it's based on something from DP1 or something new would help.
Post 254 we pretty much have him flatly calling out Thoth as his top concern
Thoth, I said earlier you were one of my top reads and I want to follow through on that.
Kohai pointed out Mago was voting you when he died. I'll be honest, I lean towards that being WIFOM since killing the guy pushing you is pretty blatant, but it's still something I want to put to you.
Who do you think is lying between WF and magic, and why?
I know you said something about a hurricane adventure so I will wait as long is reasonable for a response, but you are still a top problem for me that we have to deal with at some point.
Here we see Luna calling out Thoth as his top concern.
I feel like all of this lines up. Pretty clean consistency that speaks to a Town Lunatic who really is just a cop with a check. In summary them being frustrated with Shining D1 checks out. Them checking me N1 makes a lot of sense. When I am doing well I get that people want to solve me immediately.
D2 I see a pattern of them being very critical of positions against me which lines up with a check on me. They also voice Thoth as their top concern which they now have checked and claim a guilty on.
Mechanically we have the big question of a 2x blackmailer. (I still feel some type of way that a blackmailer was in the game at all) but the balance of having a 2x is huge. The only way they could be scum is the situation of that being true + Thoth being the actual cop + Mafia getting exactly their role.
TLDR is I feel Luna is very likely exactly as they say and mech points to it as well. Thoth is just scum.