State Attorneys General Mafia DP2

Imma be busy tonight, but I will try really hard to contribute

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 27/10/2026 at 0:43 (post #179)

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/26/2026 at 7:38 PM (post #176)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 27/10/2026 at 0:37 (post #175)

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/26/2026 at 7:31 PM (post #171)

If Thoth was scum - what exactly is he trying to do here? Give information that is totally useless and leads us nowhere? It feels more like a town mind set than a scum one.

I don't get this townread on Thoth. Is it literally just because his role doesn't give information? Or is it because he says he got RB'd? Or both? If this is more than WIFOM, I'd like to know what that is.

He first told us that he had information, and then when he reveals that information it turns out it’s this really ambiguous thing that could mean almost anything. I don’t see the scum motivation in that. It looks more like a Townie thinking he may have found something but not being sure how to interpret it

I disagree. It functions as a reason not to pursue him for a claim until more claims get out on the table, i.e. giving scum as much information as possible before he's forced to claim. And then his claim functions as a reason to put attention elsewhere and provides a pretty good likelihood that he'll be RB'd again, meaning he likely won't confirm his result next DP.

This is not likely in my opinion. Seems like a lot of effort for something that is of limited value. I’m not sure I’ve seen this happen

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/26/2026 at 6:38 PM (post #176)

He first told us that he had information, and then when he reveals that information it turns out it’s this really ambiguous thing that could mean almost anything. I don’t see the scum motivation in that. It looks more like a Townie thinking he may have found something but not being sure how to interpret it

It's really ambiguous information that could become less ambiguous depending on other information. There should always be some reason to claim information.

In this case, the reason was that I woke up, saw that I had a vote on me, and claimed on the off chance I would get turbolynched while afk. Self-serving, but a reason

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/26/2026 at 6:40 PM (post #178)

Same question for Thoth

Protection. I did not know my role also roleblocked WF. I thought it was just protection from other abilities, including the kill, and he was my strongest townread going into night 1.

I asked Pie if visiting WF would make my own action fail. I doubt this since I don't think of this kind of weird interaction as Pie's style, but good to know

Originally Posted by Thoth on 27/10/2026 at 0:49 (post #184)

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/26/2026 at 6:40 PM (post #178)

Same question for Thoth

Protection. I did not know my role also roleblocked WF. I thought it was just protection from other abilities, including the kill, and he was my strongest townread going into night 1.

I asked Pie if visiting WF would make my own action fail. I doubt this since I don't think of this kind of weird interaction as Pie's style, but good to know

Seems fair

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/26/2026 at 7:46 PM (post #182)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 27/10/2026 at 0:43 (post #179)

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/26/2026 at 7:38 PM (post #176)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 27/10/2026 at 0:37 (post #175)

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/26/2026 at 7:31 PM (post #171)

If Thoth was scum - what exactly is he trying to do here? Give information that is totally useless and leads us nowhere? It feels more like a town mind set than a scum one.

I don't get this townread on Thoth. Is it literally just because his role doesn't give information? Or is it because he says he got RB'd? Or both? If this is more than WIFOM, I'd like to know what that is.

He first told us that he had information, and then when he reveals that information it turns out it’s this really ambiguous thing that could mean almost anything. I don’t see the scum motivation in that. It looks more like a Townie thinking he may have found something but not being sure how to interpret it

I disagree. It functions as a reason not to pursue him for a claim until more claims get out on the table, i.e. giving scum as much information as possible before he's forced to claim. And then his claim functions as a reason to put attention elsewhere and provides a pretty good likelihood that he'll be RB'd again, meaning he likely won't confirm his result next DP.

This is not likely in my opinion. Seems like a lot of effort for something that is of limited value. I’m not sure I’ve seen this happen

Dude, I just explained the scenario. It's not a lot of work just to claim you have a role that could give some information. I'm not fixating on Thoth being scum, but this isn't a lot of effort to set up, and much of what he's said about his role does not line up with what his role does or the foreknowledge that he'd been RB'd.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 27/10/2026 at 0:53 (post #186)

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/26/2026 at 7:46 PM (post #182)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 27/10/2026 at 0:43 (post #179)

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/26/2026 at 7:38 PM (post #176)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 27/10/2026 at 0:37 (post #175)

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/26/2026 at 7:31 PM (post #171)

If Thoth was scum - what exactly is he trying to do here? Give information that is totally useless and leads us nowhere? It feels more like a town mind set than a scum one.

I don't get this townread on Thoth. Is it literally just because his role doesn't give information? Or is it because he says he got RB'd? Or both? If this is more than WIFOM, I'd like to know what that is.

He first told us that he had information, and then when he reveals that information it turns out it’s this really ambiguous thing that could mean almost anything. I don’t see the scum motivation in that. It looks more like a Townie thinking he may have found something but not being sure how to interpret it

I disagree. It functions as a reason not to pursue him for a claim until more claims get out on the table, i.e. giving scum as much information as possible before he's forced to claim. And then his claim functions as a reason to put attention elsewhere and provides a pretty good likelihood that he'll be RB'd again, meaning he likely won't confirm his result next DP.

This is not likely in my opinion. Seems like a lot of effort for something that is of limited value. I’m not sure I’ve seen this happen

Dude, I just explained the scenario. It's not a lot of work just to claim you have a role that could give some information. I'm not fixating on Thoth being scum, but this isn't a lot of effort to set up, and much of what he's said about his role does not line up with what his role does or the foreknowledge that he'd been RB'd.

I get your point, I just don’t think this is likely. I wouldn’t do this as scum.

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/26/2026 at 7:53 PM (post #187)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 27/10/2026 at 0:53 (post #186)

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/26/2026 at 7:46 PM (post #182)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 27/10/2026 at 0:43 (post #179)

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/26/2026 at 7:38 PM (post #176)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 27/10/2026 at 0:37 (post #175)

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/26/2026 at 7:31 PM (post #171)

If Thoth was scum - what exactly is he trying to do here? Give information that is totally useless and leads us nowhere? It feels more like a town mind set than a scum one.

I don't get this townread on Thoth. Is it literally just because his role doesn't give information? Or is it because he says he got RB'd? Or both? If this is more than WIFOM, I'd like to know what that is.

He first told us that he had information, and then when he reveals that information it turns out it’s this really ambiguous thing that could mean almost anything. I don’t see the scum motivation in that. It looks more like a Townie thinking he may have found something but not being sure how to interpret it

I disagree. It functions as a reason not to pursue him for a claim until more claims get out on the table, i.e. giving scum as much information as possible before he's forced to claim. And then his claim functions as a reason to put attention elsewhere and provides a pretty good likelihood that he'll be RB'd again, meaning he likely won't confirm his result next DP.

This is not likely in my opinion. Seems like a lot of effort for something that is of limited value. I’m not sure I’ve seen this happen

Dude, I just explained the scenario. It's not a lot of work just to claim you have a role that could give some information. I'm not fixating on Thoth being scum, but this isn't a lot of effort to set up, and much of what he's said about his role does not line up with what his role does or the foreknowledge that he'd been RB'd.

I get your point, I just don’t think this is likely. I wouldn’t do this as scum.

The question isn't what you would do as scum. It's what Thoth would do as scum.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 27/10/2026 at 0:54 (post #188)

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/26/2026 at 7:53 PM (post #187)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 27/10/2026 at 0:53 (post #186)

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/26/2026 at 7:46 PM (post #182)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 27/10/2026 at 0:43 (post #179)

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/26/2026 at 7:38 PM (post #176)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 27/10/2026 at 0:37 (post #175)

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/26/2026 at 7:31 PM (post #171)

If Thoth was scum - what exactly is he trying to do here? Give information that is totally useless and leads us nowhere? It feels more like a town mind set than a scum one.

I don't get this townread on Thoth. Is it literally just because his role doesn't give information? Or is it because he says he got RB'd? Or both? If this is more than WIFOM, I'd like to know what that is.

He first told us that he had information, and then when he reveals that information it turns out it’s this really ambiguous thing that could mean almost anything. I don’t see the scum motivation in that. It looks more like a Townie thinking he may have found something but not being sure how to interpret it

I disagree. It functions as a reason not to pursue him for a claim until more claims get out on the table, i.e. giving scum as much information as possible before he's forced to claim. And then his claim functions as a reason to put attention elsewhere and provides a pretty good likelihood that he'll be RB'd again, meaning he likely won't confirm his result next DP.

This is not likely in my opinion. Seems like a lot of effort for something that is of limited value. I’m not sure I’ve seen this happen

Dude, I just explained the scenario. It's not a lot of work just to claim you have a role that could give some information. I'm not fixating on Thoth being scum, but this isn't a lot of effort to set up, and much of what he's said about his role does not line up with what his role does or the foreknowledge that he'd been RB'd.

I get your point, I just don’t think this is likely. I wouldn’t do this as scum.

The question isn't what you would do as scum. It's what Thoth would do as scum.

Fair enough.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/26/2026 at 6:54 PM (post #188)

The question isn't what you would do as scum. It's what Thoth would do as scum.

I asked you some questions in #167. I'd like to see some responses.

Originally Posted by Thoth on 27/10/2026 at 0:56 (post #190)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/26/2026 at 6:54 PM (post #188)

The question isn't what you would do as scum. It's what Thoth would do as scum.

How did the conversation between you and Pie where you learned that you would block Strongmen come to pass?

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 27/10/2026 at 0:58 (post #192)

Originally Posted by Thoth on 27/10/2026 at 0:56 (post #190)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/26/2026 at 6:54 PM (post #188)

The question isn't what you would do as scum. It's what Thoth would do as scum.

How did the conversation between you and Pie where you learned that you would block Strongmen come to pass?

Sorry I don’t think this is English but I hope you get what I mean

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/26/2026 at 6:58 PM (post #192)

How did the conversation between you and Pie where you learned that you would block Strongmen come to pass?

I asked him one minute after he sent me my role card because I had heard different answers in different places about whether or not Strongman overrides Commuter

Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/26/2026 at 6:49 PM (post #184)

I asked Pie if visiting WF would make my own action fail. I doubt this since I don't think of this kind of weird interaction as Pie's style, but good to know

It does not

Originally Posted by Thoth on 27/10/2026 at 1:01 (post #194)

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/26/2026 at 6:58 PM (post #192)

How did the conversation between you and Pie where you learned that you would block Strongmen come to pass?

I asked him one minute after he sent me my role card because I had heard different answers in different places about whether or not Strongman overrides Commuter

Alright, this does kinda check out since you stated at the very beginning of the day you asked Pie a question and the answer was the opposite of what you expected.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/26/2026 at 5:33 PM (post #167)

I’m asking about this. What information did you think you’d gotten from your role being blocked?

I thought I might have been roleblocked or you were affected by some ability that blocked my Adjudicator, but I did not think the answer was worth claiming for.

What info were you seeking?

Nothing in particular, just any indication that claiming my result, or lack thereof, might put other puzzle pieces together or if it might help scum.

What were you looking for from previous posts? What would have informed your decision to claim?

See last response.

Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/26/2026 at 8:04 PM (post #197)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/26/2026 at 5:33 PM (post #167)

I thought I might have been roleblocked or you were affected by some ability that blocked my Adjudicator, but I did not think the answer was worth claiming for.

That doesn’t really answer my question. You said you “kinda sorta got info”, so I’d like to understand, what info did you think you got? You already knew by the time you posted this that I’d claimed to be responsible for shifting the lynch, so I’m still unclear what info you thought you’d gotten beyond you being RB’d by someone, which didn’t require any claims to clarify.

Nothing in particular, just any indication that claiming my result, or lack thereof, might put other puzzle pieces together or if it might help scum.

I don’t get this. So you held off on claiming because… it would have done more harm than good to inform us all you’d been RB’d? I don’t see what information could’ve been garnered from getting more or different claims beyond banking on a town RB. How does your claim help scum?

What were you looking for from previous posts? What would have informed your decision to claim?

See last response.

Same lack of clarity. Give me a scenario where you could’ve looked up, seen someone post something, and decided not to claim.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 27/10/2026 at 1:14 (post #198)

Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/26/2026 at 8:04 PM (post #197)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/26/2026 at 5:33 PM (post #167)

I thought I might have been roleblocked or you were affected by some ability that blocked my Adjudicator, but I did not think the answer was worth claiming for.

That doesn’t really answer my question. You said you “kinda sorta got info”, so I’d like to understand, what info did you think you got? You already knew by the time you posted this that I’d claimed to be responsible for shifting the lynch, so I’m still unclear what info you thought you’d gotten beyond you being RB’d by someone, which didn’t require any claims to clarify.

Nothing in particular, just any indication that claiming my result, or lack thereof, might put other puzzle pieces together or if it might help scum.

I don’t get this. So you held off on claiming because… it would have done more harm than good to inform us all you’d been RB’d? I don’t see what information could’ve been garnered from getting more or different claims beyond banking on a town RB. How does your claim help scum?

What were you looking for from previous posts? What would have informed your decision to claim?

See last response.

Same lack of clarity. Give me a scenario where you could’ve looked up, seen someone post something, and decided not to claim.

I guess the point is if anyone claimed to roleblock him or if you claimed something at odds with his result, he would have some useful information to share. Like you could confirm someone’s night action that way.

I honestly think the team is Wylted/Banana. I think it is that simple.

There’s a slim chance the team is Thoth/Banana or something like that, as a 2nd possibility.

Other possibilities are Rex/Banana and Rex/Thoth. I don’t know how likely or unlikely the latter two are.

Ig Wylted/Thoth is possible but it seems unlikely as hell to me.

I guess the point is if anyone claimed to roleblock him or if you claimed something at odds with his result, he would have some useful information to share. Like you could confirm someone’s night action that way.

So he was banking on someone openly claiming a town RB? That seems like a pretty weak reason to withhold even stating that he’d been RB’d, man. Seems like he could confirm that before someone outs a role like this instead of waiting and hoping they out themselves first. He didn’t have a result, so that’s out. And I’d already claimed, so that’s out.

I don’t want to overfocus on this, but I can’t be the only one who sees all this as odd. Maybe Thoth did genuinely think he could wait out a town RB claim and confirm that he’d been the target, but that wouldn’t have town confirmed either of them. That would’ve just confirmed that Thoth had a role that failed and that someone else had an RB, town or scum. I guess it’s confirmation of a sort, but not particularly useful and weirder to wait for since he would have gotten the same result by just saying he’d been RB’d and waiting for someone to confirm that they’d done it.

I’ve said my piece on this and I’m dropping the issue until others come in and give their impressions or until I get more insight from Thoth into why he did things this way.

I'll add two things to my thinking that put Thoth in the potentially town camp.

Unvote

I'd like to talk this through as much as possible before just pushing Thoth or anyone else.

First thing:

Back in post 35 last DP, Thoth said this:

imma breadcrumb for the sake of breadcrumbing that I asked Pie a question about my role and the answer was the opposite of what I expected.

In response to a potentially unrelated question from Magoroth this DP, Thoth said this in #194:

I asked him one minute after he sent me my role card because I had heard different answers in different places about whether or not Strongman overrides Commuter

It's not necessarily the opposite of what he expected, since he said he'd heard different answers in different places, but there's at least something here that could explain that early post. Can't say whether he actually did breadcrumb this interaction or came up with it more recently as a way to explain that, but the latter assumes more care and attention to detail than I'd expect from Thoth.

Second thing:

Thoth says chose me as a target. He did so after Banana had claimed and said she Watched me. That makes more sense if he's town than if he's scum. In the latter scenario, I would have to believe that he saw Banana's claim, realized that claiming a visit on me would be a problem, and shifted to claiming that he'd been RB'd after asking Pie whether that would still register as a visit. Again, not what I'd expect from scum Thoth. He hadn't claimed his target yet and would likely just play it safe, claimed he'd targeted someone else and been RB'd.

These aren't solid townreads, but given what I know of Thoth's scum meta, they don't fit the pattern.

Official Vote Count:

Banana (1/4) - Lunatic

Wylted (1/4) - Mago

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 27/10/2026 at 2:03 (post #205)

I'll add two things to my thinking that put Thoth in the potentially town camp.

Unvote

I'd like to talk this through as much as possible before just pushing Thoth or anyone else.

First thing:

Back in post 35 last DP, Thoth said this:

imma breadcrumb for the sake of breadcrumbing that I asked Pie a question about my role and the answer was the opposite of what I expected.

In response to a potentially unrelated question from Magoroth this DP, Thoth said this in #194:

I asked him one minute after he sent me my role card because I had heard different answers in different places about whether or not Strongman overrides Commuter

It's not necessarily the opposite of what he expected, since he said he'd heard different answers in different places, but there's at least something here that could explain that early post. Can't say whether he actually did breadcrumb this interaction or came up with it more recently as a way to explain that, but the latter assumes more care and attention to detail than I'd expect from Thoth.

Second thing:

Thoth says chose me as a target. He did so after Banana had claimed and said she Watched me. That makes more sense if he's town than if he's scum. In the latter scenario, I would have to believe that he saw Banana's claim, realized that claiming a visit on me would be a problem, and shifted to claiming that he'd been RB'd after asking Pie whether that would still register as a visit. Again, not what I'd expect from scum Thoth. He hadn't claimed his target yet and would likely just play it safe, claimed he'd targeted someone else and been RB'd.

These aren't solid townreads, but given what I know of Thoth's scum meta, they don't fit the pattern.

He stated before that he was surprised by the answer.

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/26/2026 at 9:46 PM (post #207)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 27/10/2026 at 2:03 (post #205)

I'll add two things to my thinking that put Thoth in the potentially town camp.

Unvote

I'd like to talk this through as much as possible before just pushing Thoth or anyone else.

First thing:

Back in post 35 last DP, Thoth said this:

imma breadcrumb for the sake of breadcrumbing that I asked Pie a question about my role and the answer was the opposite of what I expected.

In response to a potentially unrelated question from Magoroth this DP, Thoth said this in #194:

I asked him one minute after he sent me my role card because I had heard different answers in different places about whether or not Strongman overrides Commuter

It's not necessarily the opposite of what he expected, since he said he'd heard different answers in different places, but there's at least something here that could explain that early post. Can't say whether he actually did breadcrumb this interaction or came up with it more recently as a way to explain that, but the latter assumes more care and attention to detail than I'd expect from Thoth.

Second thing:

Thoth says chose me as a target. He did so after Banana had claimed and said she Watched me. That makes more sense if he's town than if he's scum. In the latter scenario, I would have to believe that he saw Banana's claim, realized that claiming a visit on me would be a problem, and shifted to claiming that he'd been RB'd after asking Pie whether that would still register as a visit. Again, not what I'd expect from scum Thoth. He hadn't claimed his target yet and would likely just play it safe, claimed he'd targeted someone else and been RB'd.

These aren't solid townreads, but given what I know of Thoth's scum meta, they don't fit the pattern.

He stated before that he was surprised by the answer.

And I'm of two minds about that, since it's unclear why he was surprised when he already knew there were different answers in different places. That's not why I'm townreading it. I'm townreading the decision to revisit it this far out from the original statement.

Feel like I'm at a bit of an impasse here, and Thoth being absent isn't helping. As far as I'm aware, Rex and Mago haven't claimed at all and Wylted only claimed his character. If we're going to seek any more claims, we might as well get them all, so I think we either have to commit to finishing out the mass claim or make a decision with the info we have. Got about 15 hours left I think.