Jim Carrey Mafia DP1

Originally Posted by Thoth on 11/3/2026 at 8:55 PM (post #87)

Originally Posted by RexFavilla on 11/3/2026 at 7:31 AM (post #42)

There could be hidden role elements as well - scum could have a role that requires them to guess the targets role, for example.

This is such blatant TMI that it's ridiculous

To be clear, are you scumreading it?

Originally Posted by Thoth on 11/3/2026 at 8:55 PM (post #86)

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 11/3/2026 at 5:04 AM (post #39)

Mass claim sounds interesting. I’d be down perhaps tomorrow, I don’t want Luna’s game to end instantly on D1.

CAGED SCUM ALERT

Didn't you say something very similar yourself?

Can anyone remember a game on DC where scum claimed a Miller?

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Originally Posted by Wryly on 11/3/2026 at 9:14 PM (post #93)

Can anyone remember a game on DC where scum claimed a Miller?

No, though that's besides the point. Scum would have to bank on the existence of a Cop in the game. We know they don't have role information beyond what their roles say. If they have reason to believe there is a Cop as a result, then they wouldn't know there's a Miller and could be walking directly into a CC. If they have reason to believe there isn't a Cop, then they're just slow-walking their way to a lynch as more roles come out. I don't buy either one.

Originally Posted by Thoth on 11/3/2026 at 8:51 PM (post #84)

Originally Posted by Wryly on 11/2/2026 at 10:34 PM (post #38)

You compassionate hand wringers are really cramping my anarchist zest here. It's a perfectly kosher play, it's not like we're breaking his game. It will probably be disastrous anyway.

If it succeeds, hosts will have to design their games to make it at least much harder to do again. I presume that scum receiving fake-claims started because forcing claims out of people proved too effective. For all I know, that might predate DDO/DART/DC and have been imported from another community.

Considering how strong of an advocate you are for doing this,, I have to wonder why you haven't responded to efforts to get you to claim your role. Is it just that you feel it's necessary for everyone to be on the same page before anyone claims?

Originally Posted by Wryly on 11/3/2026 at 8:12 PM (post #91)

To be clear, are you scumreading it?

Moderately

Originally Posted by Wryly on 11/3/2026 at 8:13 PM (post #92)

Didn't you say something very similar yourself?

I said it was a point against the mass role-claim, but not enough to sway my balance against it, which is what I think Magoroth meant

Originally Posted by Wryly on 11/3/2026 at 8:14 PM (post #93)

Can anyone remember a game on DC where scum claimed a Miller?

I would have to look, but I am pretty sure it has been done on here

And games on DART count too

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 11/3/2026 at 8:27 PM (post #96)

Considering how strong of an advocate you are for doing this,, I have to wonder why you haven't responded to efforts to get you to claim your role. Is it just that you feel it's necessary for everyone to be on the same page before anyone claims?

That, and I am also annoyed on principle by demands for me to claim first because tHoTh CaN't FaKe ClAiM

Originally Posted by Thoth on 11/3/2026 at 9:35 PM (post #101)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 11/3/2026 at 8:27 PM (post #96)

Considering how strong of an advocate you are for doing this,, I have to wonder why you haven't responded to efforts to get you to claim your role. Is it just that you feel it's necessary for everyone to be on the same page before anyone claims?

That, and I am also annoyed on principle by demands for me to claim first because tHoTh CaN't FaKe ClAiM

It may be the reason others have pushed for your claim, not mine. As far as I'm concerned, if someone's pushing for a mass role claim, they should lead the way. I can't say I support the mass claim and the push for it consistently sets me on edge, but I feel like pushing for it and then avoiding claiming when attention is drawn back to you for any reason seems a little off.

So tell me how you would pursue claims in this instance.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 11/3/2026 at 9:25 PM (post #95)

Originally Posted by Wryly on 11/3/2026 at 9:14 PM (post #93)

Can anyone remember a game on DC where scum claimed a Miller?

No, though that's besides the point. Scum would have to bank on the existence of a Cop in the game. We know they don't have role information beyond what their roles say. If they have reason to believe there is a Cop as a result, then they wouldn't know there's a Miller and could be walking directly into a CC. If they have reason to believe there isn't a Cop, then they're just slow-walking their way to a lynch as more roles come out. I don't buy either one.

I have no idea why the latter did not occur to me, but yes, good point.

Originally Posted by Thoth on 11/3/2026 at 9:29 PM (post #97)

Originally Posted by Wryly on 11/3/2026 at 8:12 PM (post #91)

To be clear, are you scumreading it?

Moderately

It was highly speculative of him, but it's not sus enough to overpower the Miller claim. Don't you agree? There were a few games where scum had roles that required them to guess the PM of a townie, like Ted Lasso mafia.

As far as I'm concerned, if someone's pushing for a mass role claim, they should lead the way. I can't say I support the mass claim and the push for it consistently sets me on edge, but I feel like pushing for it and then avoiding claiming when attention is drawn back to you for any reason seems a little off.

I am equally shocked that "claim because you suck" hasn't been a persuasive approach.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 11/3/2026 at 8:40 PM (post #102)

It may be the reason others have pushed for your claim, not mine. As far as I'm concerned, if someone's pushing for a mass role claim, they should lead the way. I can't say I support the mass claim and the push for it consistently sets me on edge, but I feel like pushing for it and then avoiding claiming when attention is drawn back to you for any reason seems a little off.

I was floating the idea that we talk about whether or not we want to pursue it, and, if so, how we should approach it. I was not saying with certainty that I wanted us to mass-claim our roles and that I should command it. I thought I had made that clear.

So tell me how you would pursue claims in this instance.

Let the day phase play out naturally until, say, halfway through the DP, which is about where we are, and then suggest that the towniest person choose the order in which we claim, towniest person to be decided by collective vibes and feels. At least, that is what I would say if there had been several times more activity so far. As it stands, activity is low enough that coordination from everyone seems implausible, so my suggestion is that a few people agree to claim their roles, and, once we have hit a critical threshold, say 5 agreements including the existing claim of Miller, we all claim and demand that everyone else claim.

Originally Posted by Wryly on 11/3/2026 at 9:08 PM (post #105)

I am equally shocked that "claim because you suck" hasn't been a persuasive approach.

I never did hear back from those girls on Tinder whom I told were so ugly I wanted to date them

Originally Posted by Wryly on 11/3/2026 at 9:05 PM (post #104)

It was highly speculative of him, but it's not sus enough to overpower the Miller claim. Don't you agree?

I see Miller claims as NAI or maybe slight town

There were a few games where scum had roles that required them to guess the PM of a townie, like Ted Lasso mafia.

There have been a few games with tons of things. It's one thing to say that X mechanic has been observed in the wild and another thing to imply you think it is in this game

Originally Posted by Wryly on 11/3/2026 at 10:08 PM (post #105)

As far as I'm concerned, if someone's pushing for a mass role claim, they should lead the way. I can't say I support the mass claim and the push for it consistently sets me on edge, but I feel like pushing for it and then avoiding claiming when attention is drawn back to you for any reason seems a little off.

I am equally shocked that "claim because you suck" hasn't been a persuasive approach.

Lol, glad I'm not alone.

Originally Posted by Thoth on 11/3/2026 at 10:19 PM (post #106)

I was floating the idea that we talk about whether or not we want to pursue it, and, if so, how we should approach it. I was not saying with certainty that I wanted us to mass-claim our roles and that I should command it. I thought I had made that clear.

Feels like there just hasn't been a lot of discussion on it besides the back-and-forth between you and Wryly on the matter and everyone else taking a position and sticking with it. I get the concept of just having it out over this, but I don't think that's productive anymore, so I have to question why it's still something we're talking about. Doesn't seem like there's any chance of this getting unanimous approval.

Let the day phase play out naturally until, say, halfway through the DP, which is about where we are, and then suggest that the towniest person choose the order in which we claim, towniest person to be decided by collective vibes and feels. At least, that is what I would say if there had been several times more activity so far. As it stands, activity is low enough that coordination from everyone seems implausible, so my suggestion is that a few people agree to claim their roles, and, once we have hit a critical threshold, say 5 agreements including the existing claim of Miller, we all claim and demand that everyone else claim.

Don't think you're even getting a majority at this point. I've said I'm willing to go with it if it's virtually everyone in agreement, but if we're talking about a simple majority, my opposition will remain. As for who the towniest person is right now, I think the agreement is on Rex, who you seem to have some misgivings about. Would you accept him being the person to make these calls if the rest of us were in agreement?

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 11/3/2026 at 9:29 PM (post #110)

Feels like there just hasn't been a lot of discussion on it besides the back-and-forth between you and Wryly on the matter and everyone else taking a position and sticking with it.

There has not been a lot of discussion about anything this game.

I get the concept of just having it out over this, but I don't think that's productive anymore, so I have to question why it's still something we're talking about. Doesn't seem like there's any chance of this getting unanimous approval.

Maybe the ones who approve of it now should do it and make the fire hot by striking

Don't think you're even getting a majority at this point. I've said I'm willing to go with it if it's virtually everyone in agreement, but if we're talking about a simple majority, my opposition will remain. As for who the towniest person is right now, I think the agreement is on Rex, who you seem to have some misgivings about. Would you accept him being the person to make these calls if the rest of us were in agreement?

Yes, hesitantly, because I think that a mass role-claim will work best if one person decides claim order and my sus on Rex is not super severe.

Originally Posted by Thoth on 11/3/2026 at 10:35 PM (post #111)

There has not been a lot of discussion about anything this game.

All the more reason that I find it odd to focus on a need to achieve some level of discussion before proceeding. Doesn’t seem like we’re going to get there.

Maybe the ones who approve of it now should do it and make the fire hot by striking

You’re welcome to rally the troops. Don’t think you’ll get anywhere since the value from doing so comes from everyone agreeing to do it.

Yes, hesitantly, because I think that a mass role-claim will work best if one person decides claim order and my sus on Rex is not super severe.

Alright. Still requires agreement to abide by what he or whoever else we potentially choose says.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 11/3/2026 at 9:45 PM (post #112)

You’re welcome to rally the troops. Don’t think you’ll get anywhere since the value from doing so comes from everyone agreeing to do it.

I want to rally people to committing and seeing how many we get. If we don't reach critical mass, then it just hurts town

And, yes, I commit if the total number of claims plus commits is at least 5

Originally Posted by Wryly on 11/3/2026 at 10:05 PM (post #104)

Originally Posted by Thoth on 11/3/2026 at 9:29 PM (post #97)

Originally Posted by Wryly on 11/3/2026 at 8:12 PM (post #91)

To be clear, are you scumreading it?

Moderately

It was highly speculative of him, but it's not sus enough to overpower the Miller claim. Don't you agree? There were a few games where scum had roles that required them to guess the PM of a townie, like Ted Lasso mafia.

Ted Lasso was what I was thinking of, especially because that was also a Luna game.

Like to hear your reads

Originally Posted by Wryly on 11/4/2026 at 1:05 AM (post #116)

Like to hear your reads

Ugh been so concerned with the midterms and honestly not a lot to go on. I find Thoth being hesitant to claim to be a bit sus, I didn't like the mass claim to begin with but most people who propose one are perfectly fine with popping off first with a claim. Would like to hear more from Banana. Will probably reread tomorrow.

well dp ends tomorrow so if were doing the mass claim thing we should do soon

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