Alien Mafia Endgame

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#1 •••

MAFIA WIN!


1st Place: Mikal, Whiteflame

2nd Place: Casey, Pie, Castin, Rex, Kohai, Vader, Thoth


Role PMs:


https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZOXdmDUPgOheX5UNUl89hhBSlX3IoPLdBxKSWv9s7rc/edit?usp=sharing


Night actions:


NP1


Casey tracks Kohai

Whiteflame tailors Casey

Mikal Rolecops pie

Vader sends info to whiteflame


NP2


Casey Tracks Mikal

Mikal Redirects Casey to himself

Whiteflame kills VAder




Endgame thoughts:


So this biggest shocker to most of you here will be that there actually wasn't a yakuza, whiteflame tailored casey to look like a yakuza, which was a brilliant move by the scum team which caused a lot of chaos and confusion this game. That said, while you could argue the yakuza was ultimately the reason for Ref's demise, I don't think it did much in the way of clearing either scum from the POE, more just kind of threw everyone else into it who might otherwise get town cred for roles and claims.


Mafia definitely played very well, and to be fair, town did not do horrible or anything. The thoth mislynch was very unfortunate and was a result of a miscommunication. I kind of knew he was going to get CC'ed when he claimed he was a xenomorph, and while technically a face hugger is part of the xenomorph species, the full grown xenomorph is already kind of known under that nomenclature. I think if he had seen some of the movies he would have known that was a risky thing to claim, even though he was technically correct. Town losing one of their main protective role's early was pretty tough.


The rex mislynch and logic behind it made sense given you thought there was a yakuza. I actually had that role as an everynight character cop, but decided to nerf it last minute because I thought it was too OP in combined with all of towns other power roles, so I made it even night to balance it out a little better. The character cop was meant to give town an edge though considering mafia weren't provided fake claims. Mafia ended up claiming their actual characters so it didn't effect them too negatively either way.


The theme split was "Creators VS Creations". Engineers created humanity, and David 8 Experimented on the Xenomorphs to create the Xeno's and facehuggers we know and are familiar with today. This is why other characters like Peter Weyland and Boy Cavalier were not in the game. Also as much as I wanted to, I couldn't put a ton of Alien Earth characters in the game yet, because there is still a lot of unknown details about certain characters and species as the show is not fully finished releasing.


My final thoughts on DP3, is that pie played it as well as he could have. I feel his frustration, he was making very good points. Mikal kind of gambled and went all in by buddying whiteflame, and at first I was a bit worried and wondered if he should have just bussed whiteflame, but I could see his strategy was kind of an all or nothing gambit to manipulate and bully kohai into voting pie, and to his credit it worked. Had whiteflame flipped tailor, it would have been pretty bad for scum and I don't think it would have taken town long to figure out there wasn't actually a yakuza. Which would have basically cleared pie who the main argument against him from everyone but mikal was that he wasn't the OG scum but a likely recruit candidate. It also would have cleared david, making scums only mislynch option going into LYLO castin, which would have been a tough sell. So while mikals play was risky, it was probably the play to make in the end.


Grats to pie for solving it, and I am sorry that it didn't work out, but mafia played hard and manipulated town against you well, so good games to all.

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In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.

#2 •••

I TOLD Y'ALL

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#3 •••
--> @Kohai

YOU KNOW YOURE NOT SCUM

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#4 •••

Good game. Honestly this game was far too scum sided and having scum team be able to flip a person like that is bastard modding. In the future I strongly recommend letting players know bastard elements exist.

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"Kohai, your entrance to the thread was legendary, you had a solve and a winning PoE right when you showed up, super impressive stuff, even more so considering it wasn't even your objective!!" - Zrein

#5 •••
--> @Lunatic

What were the hints Supa was going to give out to town

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#6 •••

Truth be told I don’t think the game was even winnable for town with the mechanic. The town was fighting over who was the recruit rather than who is actually scum. Had this actually not been in the game I would never even sus let alone vote pie.

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"Kohai, your entrance to the thread was legendary, you had a solve and a winning PoE right when you showed up, super impressive stuff, even more so considering it wasn't even your objective!!" - Zrein

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#8 •••

We went heavy on the gambits on this one and it turned out kinda crazy as a result. Pie was right that the Yakuza was a redemption of sorts for Casey and my failure to use it a good while ago (did not plan to use the Tailor on Casey initially, just kinda worked out that way), just without an actual Yakuza. Fun tactic, ended up keeping a lot of people in POE and creating some arguments about who was more likely to be OG scum vs. recruit, so I was happy with it. Great playing with Mikal and working through strategies, GG everyone!

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#9 •••
--> @Kohai

I don’t think it was majorly scum sided. We got very lucky



hitting Casey first removed an investigative role


and Supas role, Rex’s role, and castins role all countered the tailor.



I think the only balance change should have been the every night character cop. If wf flipped it would have been hard



spent like half a day thinking up how to use that tailor and came up with recruit. Props to wf for writing the justification and making it fit the concept.

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#10 •••
--> @Kohai
Truth be told I don’t think the game was even winnable for town with the mechanic. The town was fighting over who was the recruit rather than who is actually scum. Had this actually not been in the game I would never even sus let alone vote pie.


Forget about the Tailor for a second. Run with the info you know. You know you’re town, so Pie/Kohai isn’t a team to you. Literally Mikal was saying it was WF/Kohai or Pie/Kohai and you somehow read that as wow Mikal must be a misguided town. Like come on dude. Don’t blame the mod, blame your own lack of common sense

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#11 •••
--> @Wryly

You did really well tbh. Your night actions definitely need work though. Behaviorally, you were town

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#12 •••

I had Mikal on behavior, but Whiteflame I wasn't sure about. I even town read him until DP3 where the Supa lynch made me suspicious. The fake Yakuza definitely had me tunneling Pie, which was my main error in this game. That and constantly saying 'role' instead of 'character' because I had never seen a character cop before.

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#13 •••
--> @Kohai

Why did you rush into a Pie VTL? We had like two days left to winnow away at this.

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#14 •••

Could whiteflame's tailor have altered any parts of the flip, or only the role, e.g., Tailor, Apportioner? I would think the entire flip since otherwise the role might not fit with the character and justification.

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Forum signatures are bullshit. Nobody wants to waste their time and bandwidth reading something they have read 29,998,559,671,349 times before.

#15 •••
--> @Wryly
Why did you rush into a Pie VTL? We had like two days left to winnow away at this.


Cause he was trying to be greasy and trick scum into quick hammering, which literally never works. And cause he was blinded my Mikal so much that Kohai thought Kohai was scum

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#16 •••
--> @Kohai
Good game. Honestly this game was far too scum sided and having scum team be able to flip a person like that is bastard modding. In the future I strongly recommend letting players know bastard elements exist.


It's a 1x role first of all, and second it didn't do anything for clearing either Mikal or Whiteflame from the POE. At most it added others into the POE that might have otherwise been seen as solid town locked. If almost every player can be town locked on their claim alone, that would suggest the opposite of what you are proposing, that the game is actually town sided. Town had multiple investigative roles, a protective role, 2 if pie was ever killed. I definitely dis-agree that this role is bastard.

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In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.

#17 •••

The Yakuza was kind of ironic because, while it confused me when it came to Pie, it also made me dump both Supa and Wryly into my town pile and give the actual scum team much more scrutiny.

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#18 •••
--> @Thoth
Could whiteflame's tailor have altered any parts of the flip, or only the role, e.g., Tailor, Apportioner? I would think the entire flip since otherwise the role might not fit with the character and justification.


Entire PM was created fresh.


Also your PM dude, common. How did you get going against the interest of Xenomorphs from that PM?

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#19 •••

Clearly the latter given what he did to Casey. I just caught that. Fuck, that was brutal.

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Forum signatures are bullshit. Nobody wants to waste their time and bandwidth reading something they have read 29,998,559,671,349 times before.

#20 •••
--> @Lunatic

He’s just dumb, I would ignore lol

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#21 •••

I felt bad that my joke vote was used to string up poor Thothy DP1.

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#22 •••
--> @RexFavilla

It was a double edge sword. It made any body a possible recruit but also gave us the option to claim our characters. The main point of it was just to cause chaos and waste conversation space

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#23 •••
Also your PM dude, common. How did you get going against the interest of Xenomorphs from that PM?

"A xenomorph will not attack someone who is impregnated by face hugger, buying the victim of this unfortunate event slightly more time than usual."


This made me think that Xenomorphs were performing the night kills, in which case buying the victim more time would be going against their interests.

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Forum signatures are bullshit. Nobody wants to waste their time and bandwidth reading something they have read 29,998,559,671,349 times before.

#24 •••
--> @Thoth
Clearly the latter given what he did to Casey. I just caught that. Fuck, that was brutal.


And I caught them both even after that. Now you wanna claim when I ask you to lol



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#25 •••

Also thoth was obviously intended. Easy to make it look like accident with the vote count

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#26 •••
--> @Thoth
Could whiteflame's tailor have altered any parts of the flip, or only the role, e.g., Tailor, Apportioner? I would think the entire flip since otherwise the role might not fit with the character and justification.

Entire flip

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In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.

#27 •••
--> @Thoth
This made me think that Xenomorphs were performing the night kills, in which case buying the victim more time would be going against their interests.


Again, that’s not necessarily true. And the only reason they don’t attack is cause they’re reproducing in the host lol. If anything, attacking them would go against their interests. You gotta do a little bit of research homie

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#28 •••
--> @Thoth

I actually see why you would think that

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#29 •••
--> @Mikal
Also thoth was obviously intended. Easy to make it look like accident with the vote count 


Yep, LVP got 2 townie lynched lmaooo

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#30 •••
--> @Mikal
I actually see why you would think that


Simple research says the opposite

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