Epstein's Island Mafia Endgame | Mafia

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#1

--> @Helz, @Kohai, @Lunatic, @Mag1cman, @Magoroth, @NoAhLeEcLaRk, @Shining, @Thoth, @whiteflame

TOWN WINS

Following the Andor game, I wanted to make it a bit easier for scum to find fake claims, while still making sure the justifications matched the characters pretty well. I think the theme split this game gave scum a wider choice of fake characters to pick from, and Prince Andrew was a fake claim I had in mind that the scum never even considered. People wanted to not be able to solve this game mechanically, then they tried to solve it mechanically and that backfired early on with the blackmailer, so mission accomplished I guess? To explain that decision, the blackmailer mechanic I used was based on what Town of Salem has, adjusted a bit for the forum. Not sure if this was a bad call, but if it was, this is my fault and not Pie's though, because I never asked him how blackmailer is supposed to work.

I have a hard time deciding whether this game was townsided or scumsided. On the one hand, it's the third game of mine in a row the town won, and the scum needed some luck to get as far as they did, like with the doctor being lynched day phase 1 without even claiming. On the other hand, I screwed up Mag1c's first invention and might have made the blackmailer a bit too powerful. In the end I'm glad this ended up cancelling out and it was a close game, which meant that people's decisions did end up mattering.

(Sorry again Mag1c)

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TOWN WINS Following the Andor game, I wanted to make it a bit easier for scum to find fake claims, while still making sure the justifications matched the characters pretty well. I think the theme split this game gave scum a wider choice of fake characters to pick from, and Prince Andrew was a fake claim I had in mind that the scum never even considered. People wanted to not be able to solve this game mechanically, then they tried to solve it mechanically and that backfired early on with the blackmailer, so mission accomplished I guess? To explain that decision, the blackmailer mechanic I used was based on what Town of Salem has, adjusted a bit for the forum. Not sure if this was a bad call, but if it was, this is my fault and not Pie's though, because I never asked him how blackmailer is supposed to work. I have a hard time deciding whether this game was townsided or scumsided. On the one hand, it's the third game of mine in a row the town won, and the scum needed some luck to get as far as they did, like with the doctor being lynched day phase 1 without even claiming. On the other hand, I screwed up Mag1c's first invention and might have made the blackmailer a bit too powerful. In the end I'm glad this ended up cancelling out and it was a close game, which meant that people's decisions did end up mattering. (Sorry again Mag1c)

#2

TOWN:

whiteflame - You are Donald Trump, the President of the United States. In addition to your 2-0 record against female presidential candidates, you are best known for not releasing the full Epstein files. Also, a lot of people really, really want to kill you. Because you’ve managed to survive assassination attempts more successfully than Epstein, including a shot to the ear, your role is 1x Bulletproof. On one night of your choosing, you can activate your role and will be protected from fatal attacks that night. You win with the Town.

Shining - You are Bill Gates. In addition to your work on technology, you have been involved in many healthcare initiatives, accelerating access to vaccines and injecting people with microchips to track them and keep them safe. Because of your work improving global health, you are the 2x Doctor, which is also the name of a game you may have played with children on Epstein’s Island. On two nights of your choosing, you can select a player to protect from fatal attacks. You win with the Town.

Helz - You are Ehud Barak. After being mentioned extensively in the Epstein files, you apologized publicly for your relations with Jeffrey Epstein. However, you served dutifully for 36 years in the Israel Defense Forces, so it is unlikely you would ever harm a child. Fittingly, you are the Soldier. If you are the last living town member, your faction will automatically win the game. You win with the Town.

NoAhLeEcLaRk - You are David Copperfield. Among other illusions, you temporarily vanished the Statue of Liberty and your property taxes for two private islands. Because you rely on misdirection to deceive the audience and shift their attention away from your connections with Epstein, you are the 2x Redirector. You can shift any player’s actions to target a player of your choosing. You win with the Town.

Magoroth - You are Michael Jackson. Often called the “King of Pop,” you are widely regarded as one of the most culturally significant figures of the 20th century. You were also accused of sexually abusing at least 10 children, and that’s before we even get to the Epstein connections. Because you are widely known for your music, you are the Singer. If you die at night, a random living town player’s role PM will be revealed to the mafia. You win with the Town.

Mag1cman - You are Dean Kamen. In addition to being named hundreds of times in the Epstein Files, you invented the Segway and hold over 1,000 patents. Therefore, you are the Inventor. You have the following inventions you can give out during the day: 1x Commuter, 1x Tracker, and 1x Watcher. You can only give out one item per day, and an item must be locked in on the day it’s given by the user who receives it for the coming night or it will expire. You win with the Town.

Kohai - You are Bill Clinton, a musician best known for playing the saxophone on late-night television. In your lesser-known role as US president, your approval rating rose even after your affair was revealed, and Republicans didn’t have enough votes to remove you from office. Therefore, you are the Popular Townie. It will take an extra vote to lynch you. You win with the Town.

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TOWN: whiteflame - You are Donald Trump, the President of the United States. In addition to your 2-0 record against female presidential candidates, you are best known for not releasing the full Epstein files. Also, a lot of people really, really want to kill you. Because you’ve managed to survive assassination attempts more successfully than Epstein, including a shot to the ear, your role is 1x Bulletproof. On one night of your choosing, you can activate your role and will be protected from fatal attacks that night. You win with the Town. Shining - You are Bill Gates. In addition to your work on technology, you have been involved in many healthcare initiatives, accelerating access to vaccines and injecting people with microchips to track them and keep them safe. Because of your work improving global health, you are the 2x Doctor, which is also the name of a game you may have played with children on Epstein’s Island. On two nights of your choosing, you can select a player to protect from fatal attacks. You win with the Town. Helz - You are Ehud Barak. After being mentioned extensively in the Epstein files, you apologized publicly for your relations with Jeffrey Epstein. However, you served dutifully for 36 years in the Israel Defense Forces, so it is unlikely you would ever harm a child. Fittingly, you are the Soldier. If you are the last living town member, your faction will automatically win the game. You win with the Town. NoAhLeEcLaRk - You are David Copperfield. Among other illusions, you temporarily vanished the Statue of Liberty and your property taxes for two private islands. Because you rely on misdirection to deceive the audience and shift their attention away from your connections with Epstein, you are the 2x Redirector. You can shift any player’s actions to target a player of your choosing. You win with the Town. Magoroth - You are Michael Jackson. Often called the “King of Pop,” you are widely regarded as one of the most culturally significant figures of the 20th century. You were also accused of sexually abusing at least 10 children, and that’s before we even get to the Epstein connections. Because you are widely known for your music, you are the Singer. If you die at night, a random living town player’s role PM will be revealed to the mafia. You win with the Town. Mag1cman - You are Dean Kamen. In addition to being named hundreds of times in the Epstein Files, you invented the Segway and hold over 1,000 patents. Therefore, you are the Inventor. You have the following inventions you can give out during the day: 1x Commuter, 1x Tracker, and 1x Watcher. You can only give out one item per day, and an item must be locked in on the day it’s given by the user who receives it for the coming night or it will expire. You win with the Town. Kohai - You are Bill Clinton, a musician best known for playing the saxophone on late-night television. In your lesser-known role as US president, your approval rating rose even after your affair was revealed, and Republicans didn’t have enough votes to remove you from office. Therefore, you are the Popular Townie. It will take an extra vote to lynch you. You win with the Town.

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MAFIA:

Lunatic - You are Jeffrey Epstein. Despite your noble calling as a Wall Street financier, you convinced a lot of famous people to molest kids so you could gain leverage over them. Therefore, you are the 2x Blackmailer. On any two nights of your choosing, you can select one player to be silenced the following day phase. You win with the Mafia.

Thoth - You are Ghislaine Maxwell. You helped finance and organize Jeffrey Epstein's network by recruiting, grooming and sexually abusing underage girls. In addition to luring and coercing victims, you also acted as Epstein’s “lady of the house,” reviewed bills, and oversaw his properties. Because you assisted Epstein’s operation in a wide variety of ways, you are a JOAT with the following abilities: 1x Strongman, 1x Vanillizer, 1x Ninja. You can only use one ability per night. You win with the Mafia.

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MAFIA: Lunatic - You are Jeffrey Epstein. Despite your noble calling as a Wall Street financier, you convinced a lot of famous people to molest kids so you could gain leverage over them. Therefore, you are the 2x Blackmailer. On any two nights of your choosing, you can select one player to be silenced the following day phase. You win with the Mafia. Thoth - You are Ghislaine Maxwell. You helped finance and organize Jeffrey Epstein's network by recruiting, grooming and sexually abusing underage girls. In addition to luring and coercing victims, you also acted as Epstein’s “lady of the house,” reviewed bills, and oversaw his properties. Because you assisted Epstein’s operation in a wide variety of ways, you are a JOAT with the following abilities: 1x Strongman, 1x Vanillizer, 1x Ninja. You can only use one ability per night. You win with the Mafia.

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#4

DP1 Actions:

Mag1cman hands out tracker to Noah, I misremember how the role works and tell him Noah didn't visit anyone.

NP1 Actions:

Lunatic blackmails Mag1cman.

Thoth vanillizes whiteflame and kills Magoroth, activating the singer and showing Helz's role to the mafia.

DP2 Actions:

Mag1cman hands out watcher to Noah.

NP3 Actions:

Noah watches Kohai.

Thoth kills Noah with ninja.

Lunatic blackmails Thoth.

NP3 Actions:

Lunatic kills Helz.

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DP1 Actions: Mag1cman hands out tracker to Noah, I misremember how the role works and tell him Noah didn't visit anyone. NP1 Actions: Lunatic blackmails Mag1cman. Thoth vanillizes whiteflame and kills Magoroth, activating the singer and showing Helz's role to the mafia. DP2 Actions: Mag1cman hands out watcher to Noah. NP3 Actions: Noah watches Kohai. Thoth kills Noah with ninja. Lunatic blackmails Thoth. NP3 Actions: Lunatic kills Helz.

#5

I think balance was fine, we made a few mistakes. Even with those I thought I could pull it off. Whiteflame is too good. Definitely MVP. GG's everyone.

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In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.

#6

Good game everyone

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"Kohai, your entrance to the thread was legendary, you had a solve and a winning PoE right when you showed up, super impressive stuff, even more so considering it wasn't even your objective!!" - Zrein

#7

--> @Savant

Originally Posted by Savant on 10/14/2026 at 8:59 AM (post #4)

DP1 Actions:

Mag1cman hands out tracker to Noah, I misremember how the role works and tell him Noah didn't visit anyone.

Oof, yeah, that could've been a big game changer if it went differently. He likely would've targeted either Luna or Kohai (at least based on what he said about how he wanted to use his Redirector), and either way, the result could've been big.

Regardless, it happens.

I can see the thinking with the balance here, though as I said during the game, I'm always a little frustrated with a BP role that's basically limited to one night on activation. Didn't end up mattering here, but it ends up making the role super weak. I do think this was a little scumsided, but not dramatically.

Anyway, GG everyone. Luna played beautifully and had me sweating about the decision right up to the end. Noah, keep playing with us, dude. This was a good start and the more you get used to playing with us, the smoother the experience will get. Hopefully you enjoyed it!

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<blockquote>Originally Posted by <a href="/users/Savant" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Savant</a> on 10/14/2026 at 8:59 AM (post <a href="https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/endgames/posts/8j/epsteins-island-mafia-endgame?comment_number=4" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">#4</a>)</blockquote><blockquote>DP1 Actions:</blockquote><blockquote> </blockquote><blockquote>Mag1cman hands out tracker to Noah, I misremember how the role works and tell him Noah didn't visit anyone.</blockquote> Oof, yeah, that could've been a big game changer if it went differently. He likely would've targeted either Luna or Kohai (at least based on what he said about how he wanted to use his Redirector), and either way, the result could've been big. Regardless, it happens. I can see the thinking with the balance here, though as I said during the game, I'm always a little frustrated with a BP role that's basically limited to one night on activation. Didn't end up mattering here, but it ends up making the role super weak. I do think this was a little scumsided, but not dramatically. Anyway, GG everyone. Luna played beautifully and had me sweating about the decision right up to the end. Noah, keep playing with us, dude. This was a good start and the more you get used to playing with us, the smoother the experience will get. Hopefully you enjoyed it!

#8

GG. Good call on lynching Luna. I was aware of Luna hard bussing before but I probably would’ve voted Kohai as the bus here didn’t actually seem necessary to me.

Sad I died N1 :/

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#9

--> @Magoroth

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/14/2026 at 7:24 AM (post #8)

GG. Good call on lynching Luna. I was aware of Luna hard bussing before but I probably would’ve voted Kohai as the bus here didn’t actually seem necessary to me.

Sad I died N1 :/

Yeah was trying to set magic up to be paranoid of helz, since you were scum reading helz and he was too. It worked out to get the mislynch.

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In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.

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--> @Lunatic

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 14/10/2026 at 15:25 (post #9)

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/14/2026 at 7:24 AM (post #8)

GG. Good call on lynching Luna. I was aware of Luna hard bussing before but I probably would’ve voted Kohai as the bus here didn’t actually seem necessary to me.

Sad I died N1 :/

Yeah was trying to set magic up to be paranoid of helz, since you were scum reading helz and he was too. It worked out to get the mislynch.

I wouldn’t say I was scumreading him per se, at least not that that point, but I was paranoid of him. I think when you revealed the guilty on Thoth I was definitely expecting the team to be Helz/??, though.

I only really had reads this game on Thoth, Kohai (post-death), Shining and Mag1c. Everyone else was pretty null to me.

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<blockquote>Originally Posted by <a href="/users/Lunatic" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Lunatic</a> on 14/10/2026 at 15:25 (post <a href="https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/endgames/posts/8j/epsteins-island-mafia-endgame?comment_number=9" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">#9</a>)</blockquote><blockquote> </blockquote><blockquote>Originally Posted by <a href="/users/Magoroth" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Magoroth</a> on 10/14/2026 at 7:24 AM (post <a href="https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/endgames/posts/8j/epsteins-island-mafia-endgame?comment_number=8" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">#8</a>)</blockquote><blockquote>GG. Good call on lynching Luna. I was aware of Luna hard bussing before but I probably would’ve voted Kohai as the bus here didn’t actually seem necessary to me.</blockquote><blockquote> </blockquote><blockquote>Sad I died N1 :/</blockquote><blockquote>Yeah was trying to set magic up to be paranoid of helz, since you were scum reading helz and he was too. It worked out to get the mislynch.</blockquote>I wouldn’t say I was scumreading him per se, at least not that that point, but I was paranoid of him. I think when you revealed the guilty on Thoth I was definitely expecting the team to be Helz/??, though. I only really had reads this game on Thoth, Kohai (post-death), Shining and Mag1c. Everyone else was pretty null to me.

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--> @Lunatic

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/14/2026 at 9:11 AM (post #5)

I think balance was fine, we made a few mistakes. Even with those I thought I could pull it off. Whiteflame is too good. Definitely MVP. GG's everyone.

Yeah I thought it was definitely a risky play to rely on WF making the wrong call in the final 3. Although the bus itself wasn't a bad play at all.

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--> @Savant

Originally Posted by Savant on 10/14/2026 at 7:36 AM (post #11)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/14/2026 at 9:11 AM (post #5)

I think balance was fine, we made a few mistakes. Even with those I thought I could pull it off. Whiteflame is too good. Definitely MVP. GG's everyone.

Yeah I thought it was definitely a risky play to rely on WF making the wrong call in the final 3. Although the bus itself wasn't a bad play at all.

I thought I could do a better job of convincing him. He's just too damn thorough.

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<blockquote>Originally Posted by <a href="/users/Savant" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Savant</a> on 10/14/2026 at 7:36 AM (post <a href="https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/endgames/posts/8j/epsteins-island-mafia-endgame?comment_number=11" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">#11</a>)</blockquote><blockquote>Originally Posted by <a href="/users/Lunatic" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Lunatic</a> on 10/14/2026 at 9:11 AM (post <a href="https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/endgames/posts/8j/epsteins-island-mafia-endgame?comment_number=5" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">#5</a>)</blockquote><blockquote>I think balance was fine, we made a few mistakes. Even with those I thought I could pull it off. Whiteflame is too good. Definitely MVP. GG's everyone.</blockquote><blockquote>Yeah I thought it was definitely a risky play to rely on WF making the wrong call in the final 3. Although the bus itself wasn't a bad play at all.</blockquote>I thought I could do a better job of convincing him. He's just too damn thorough.

In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.

#13

Seriously though mods and future mods! Give me at least a game or two off of scum. I am begging you lol

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In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.

#14

--> @Lunatic

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/14/2026 at 10:04 AM (post #13)

Seriously though mods and future mods! Give me at least a game or two off of scum. I am begging you lol

Seconded. Give this man a break, he's earned it!

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--> @whiteflame

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 14/10/2026 at 16:11 (post #14)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/14/2026 at 10:04 AM (post #13)

Seriously though mods and future mods! Give me at least a game or two off of scum. I am begging you lol

Seconded. Give this man a break, he's earned it!

In Amber Mafia I intentionally made Whiteflame Town. I shouldn’t be saying this but just saying lol

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<blockquote>Originally Posted by <a href="/users/whiteflame" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">whiteflame</a> on 14/10/2026 at 16:11 (post <a href="https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/endgames/posts/8j/epsteins-island-mafia-endgame?comment_number=14" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">#14</a>)</blockquote><blockquote>Originally Posted by <a href="/users/Lunatic" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Lunatic</a> on 10/14/2026 at 10:04 AM (post <a href="https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/endgames/posts/8j/epsteins-island-mafia-endgame?comment_number=13" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">#13</a>)</blockquote><blockquote>Seriously though mods and future mods! Give me at least a game or two off of scum. I am begging you lol</blockquote><blockquote> </blockquote><blockquote>Seconded. Give this man a break, he's earned it!</blockquote>In Amber Mafia I intentionally made Whiteflame Town. I shouldn’t be saying this but just saying lol

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--> @Magoroth

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/14/2026 at 10:47 AM (post #15)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 14/10/2026 at 16:11 (post #14)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/14/2026 at 10:04 AM (post #13)

Seriously though mods and future mods! Give me at least a game or two off of scum. I am begging you lol

Seconded. Give this man a break, he's earned it!

In Amber Mafia I intentionally made Whiteflame Town. I shouldn’t be saying this but just saying lol

It was similarly after a run of scum games, so I know I appreciated it! Didn't stop anyone from scumreading me that game anyway so I think it's all good.

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<blockquote>Originally Posted by <a href="/users/Magoroth" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Magoroth</a> on 10/14/2026 at 10:47 AM (post <a href="https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/endgames/posts/8j/epsteins-island-mafia-endgame?comment_number=15" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">#15</a>)</blockquote><blockquote> </blockquote><blockquote>Originally Posted by <a href="/users/whiteflame" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">whiteflame</a> on 14/10/2026 at 16:11 (post <a href="https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/endgames/posts/8j/epsteins-island-mafia-endgame?comment_number=14" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">#14</a>)</blockquote><blockquote>Originally Posted by <a href="/users/Lunatic" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Lunatic</a> on 10/14/2026 at 10:04 AM (post <a href="https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/endgames/posts/8j/epsteins-island-mafia-endgame?comment_number=13" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">#13</a>)</blockquote><blockquote>Seriously though mods and future mods! Give me at least a game or two off of scum. I am begging you lol</blockquote><blockquote> </blockquote><blockquote>Seconded. Give this man a break, he's earned it!</blockquote><blockquote>In Amber Mafia I intentionally made Whiteflame Town. I shouldn’t be saying this but just saying lol</blockquote> It was similarly after a run of scum games, so I know I appreciated it! Didn't stop anyone from scumreading me that game anyway so I think it's all good.

#17

I still think the NP0 cop claim thing is useless. I don’t care what sites do it frequently.

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#18

--> @Mag1cman

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 10/14/2026 at 10:58 AM (post #17)

I still think the NP0 cop claim thing is useless. I don’t care what sites do it frequently.

Hard agree unless you know there’s a 0

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#19

The purpose with the claiming every day is to give cop cover and allow them to reveal every day. Its a 0 cost thing for town thats beneficial.

Anyways, I probably have not played that poorly in years. Just didn't have it in me to do much of anything. Sorry for that. For a bit I wondered if I had screwed the town but it looks like singer gave my role to the Mafia after all.

I think Luna and WF both played extremely well. I really doubt I would have seen around that hard bus. It was pretty cool seeing WF reason out the correct move.

Well played guys

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