Jim Carrey Mafia Endgame

Oh, and fun fact killing you was a mistake. We literally thought you were the alignment cop and intended to keep you alive.

I posted the wrong name being busy with life and Mag confirmed without checking so you died. Kinda funny accident. We both laughed about it.

Now the stats are exactly town / mafia with 15 and 15 wins each

Originally Posted by Helz on 11/11/2026 at 12:03 PM (post #29)

Ya know, I am curious. How do you think the game woulda gone if we did not kill you?

You would have had a green check on me and I probably woulda claimed citizen. Do you think you could have sorted that mess?

Easily for the reasons I mentioned before. I would’ve 100% lynched Mago. Sorted you out later.

Putting me at L-1 was just incredibly unfortunate judgment, especially when wylted hadn't voted yet. You know wylted is an impulsive voter, you don't give him that much slack to fuck up. Him hammering me threw a monkey wrench into your ability to townread him at MYLO. Combined with the way he was bullying for a quick end to the DP it tipped you into a behavioral scumread that completely threw off your ability to correctly scumhunt.

Stop lynching people without getting claims first, dumbass.

You played incredibly well and I hope you don't take this loss as any failure on your part. I was screaming for town to listen to you DP3 lol. Noticing Helz's TMI about whiteflame's DP1 post, correctly deducing the scum team despite wylted hammering me, how sound your arguments were DP3 -- mad props.

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 11/11/2026 at 12:19 PM (post #33)

Originally Posted by Helz on 11/11/2026 at 12:03 PM (post #29)

Ya know, I am curious. How do you think the game woulda gone if we did not kill you?

You would have had a green check on me and I probably woulda claimed citizen. Do you think you could have sorted that mess?

Easily for the reasons I mentioned before. I would’ve 100% lynched Mago. Sorted you out later.

Kinda wish we coulda played that out. It would have been really fun. I would have been all about doing stupid shit like just no killing to break mech and going nuts in day chat. With Mag as my partner he probably woulda been down for whatever. We even talked about me bussing Mag for the giggles then winning D4 but I figured people were already upsetty spaghetti about the game timeline so I did not want to just troll people into playing an unneeded day/night cycle. Even if that shit woulda been epic and funny as fuck. Especially if it ended up with us loosing.

FYI you’re next in the mod queue

Originally Posted by Helz on 11/11/2026 at 12:42 PM (post #17)

Funny bits- Thoths initial plan of mass claim would have utterly destroyed the mafia. The flavor claim was tough to deal with and the Anti-claim was not that useful. Then the town was super packed with TPR to where other claims would hardly fit. And I do not know the sites meta which almost fucked me pretty good

I told y'all

Originally Posted by Wryly on 11/11/2026 at 12:28 PM (post #36)

You played incredibly well and I hope you don't take this loss as any failure on your part. I was screaming for town to listen to you DP3 lol. Noticing Helz's TMI about whiteflame's DP1 post, correctly deducing the scum team despite wylted hammering me, how sound your arguments were DP3 -- mad props.

You guys do realize it was not possible for me to have TMI on WF N1. I still do not know how everyone did not glance at that post and recognize the PR perspective it comes from.

Yes, it did play into the kill target but I am still struggling to understand how everyone else (especially post flip) did not pick up that it was a PR soft the second they saw it.

I agree Banana played well. I felt bad wolfing against them. But I always feel bad wolfing. Personal problem.

Originally Posted by Wryly on 11/11/2026 at 1:24 PM (post #34)

Putting me at L-1 was just incredibly unfortunate judgment, especially when wylted hadn't voted yet. You know wylted is an impulsive voter, you don't give him that much slack to fuck up. Him hammering me threw a monkey wrench into your ability to townread him at MYLO. Combined with the way he was bullying for a quick end to the DP it tipped you into a behavioral scumread that completely threw off your ability to correctly scumhunt.

Yeah, I had a post on that that DP and feel awful about it. I had to close out the app to get on the train and get my ticket out, and by the time I got it back out again I didn't realize the page I was looking at hadn't reloaded in almost two hours. I thought I was pressuring Mago to take a position on you and was only the second vote on your wagon. By the time I had finished walking to the office and settling in and could realize my mistake you were dead.

Originally Posted by Wryly on 11/11/2026 at 11:28 AM (post #36)

You played incredibly well and I hope you don't take this loss as any failure on your part. I was screaming for town to listen to you DP3 lol. Noticing Helz's TMI about whiteflame's DP1 post, correctly deducing the scum team despite wylted hammering me, how sound your arguments were DP3 -- mad props.

ty wryly that means a lot! i really tried my best! I wa asi surprised you got lynched. we needed u in the endgame for sure

Originally Posted by RexFavilla on 11/11/2026 at 1:36 PM (post #41)

Originally Posted by Wryly on 11/11/2026 at 1:24 PM (post #34)

Putting me at L-1 was just incredibly unfortunate judgment, especially when wylted hadn't voted yet. You know wylted is an impulsive voter, you don't give him that much slack to fuck up. Him hammering me threw a monkey wrench into your ability to townread him at MYLO. Combined with the way he was bullying for a quick end to the DP it tipped you into a behavioral scumread that completely threw off your ability to correctly scumhunt.

Yeah, I had a post on that that DP and feel awful about it. I had to close out the app to get on the train and get my ticket out, and by the time I got it back out again I didn't realize the page I was looking at hadn't reloaded in almost two hours. I thought I was pressuring Mago to take a position on you and was only the second vote on your wagon. By the time I had finished walking to the office and settling in and could realize my mistake you were dead.

Ugh, town had so much bad luck this game.

Don't feel bad then. Shit happens.

Originally Posted by Helz on 11/11/2026 at 1:34 PM (post #40)

Originally Posted by Wryly on 11/11/2026 at 12:28 PM (post #36)

You played incredibly well and I hope you don't take this loss as any failure on your part. I was screaming for town to listen to you DP3 lol. Noticing Helz's TMI about whiteflame's DP1 post, correctly deducing the scum team despite wylted hammering me, how sound your arguments were DP3 -- mad props.

You guys do realize it was not possible for me to have TMI on WF N1. I still do not know how everyone did not glance at that post and recognize the PR perspective it comes from.

Yes, it did play into the kill target but I am still struggling to understand how everyone else (especially post flip) did not pick up that it was a PR soft the second they saw it.

I agree Banana played well. I felt bad wolfing against them. But I always feel bad wolfing. Personal problem.

All whiteflame's post indicated was that his role and his character were weakly linked. He could have been Vanilla but given a poor role justification for Vanilla. Ditto for Hated, Popular, or any number of roles that are low-priority targets.

Also, you can't just rage and whine and bullrush town at MYLO and expect everyone to see through it as clearly as Banana did. That's the kind of shit Mikal pulls when he's scum and trying to rush town off a cliff. Don't hand scum ammo like that. I get your impatience during DP3, but what good is it to solve the game if your behavior makes the holdout townie scumread you? Especially after you turbolynched a townie? You can't expect us to parse through your erraticness to get an accurate read on you every time.

tl;dr it wouldn't fucking kill you to exercise a modicum of self-control sometimes, wylted.

Originally Posted by Wryly on 11/11/2026 at 12:35 PM (post #45)

Also, you can't just rage and whine and bullrush town at MYLO and expect everyone to see through it as clearly as Banana did. That's the kind of shit Mikal pulls when he's scum and trying to rush town off a cliff. Don't hand scum ammo like that. I get your impatience during DP3, but what good is it to solve the game if your behavior makes the holdout townie scumread you? Especially after you turbolynched a townie? You can't expect us to parse through your erraticness to get an accurate read on you every time.

tl;dr it wouldn't fucking kill you to exercise a modicum of self-control sometimes, wylted.

It was a long time ago but I remember getting this same lecture when I did the same thing in a lylo situation with buddamoose and FourTrouble. I was town and was throwing a temper tantrum that FT wasn’t insta hammering budda who was scum. It was obvious to me but he was trying to be thorough and I just kept pestering the shit out of him lol.

Well played Town. We got lucky as fuck this game.

But two things -

My plan was to drop Bulletproof for Soldier from the start, cause I figured nobody would possibly believe Bulletproof but it could match a Soldier motivation to try to make it to end game.

We figured out Pie was cop on Night 2, as he had both of us outside his PoE, especially me and I was inactive.

I was prepared to switch to voting Banana, since Helz indicated he wanted the game to continue, then Rex would probably see it as uber scummy since me And Wylted being a team was still a possibility in his view, and then I would get bussed, but Helz hammered before I ahd a chance to vote

Lessons I learned this game:

1. I sus Pie and whiteflame too much by default. I should have doctored either of them NP1.
2. For some reason other townies say "something seems off about Wryly" every goddamn game.
3. I didn't sus Helz's TMI because it seemed too obvious. Sometimes what looks scummy is just scummy.
4. Bafflingly, PGO is non-compulsive on other sites. How does that even work.

Originally Posted by Wryly on 11/11/2026 at 2:49 PM (post #49)

Lessons I learned this game:

I sus Pie and whiteflame too much by default. I should have doctored either of them NP1.

Honestly, don't blame you for doing it. I'm usually pretty hesitant on Pie myself with very few exceptions, and given how many times both of us have been scum, we have a long history of playing the part.

Originally Posted by Wryly on 11/11/2026 at 2:49 PM (post #49)

Lessons I learned this game:

Bafflingly, PGO is non-compulsive on other sites. How does that even work.

I never saw this on Mafiascum or MU, I honestly have no idea where he got the idea. I've been playing mafia on and off for a long time and I've literally never seen a non-compulsive PGO - but the role is rarely used because of how swingy it is. I haven't played on like discord servers and 'werewolf' and stuffy so maybe they have some bizarre new meta where it's xshot.

Active PGO is the usual rule and it’s typixally town only but I have literally only ever seen the role once, so its kind of a moot point.

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 11/11/2026 at 2:57 PM (post #52)

Active PGO is the usual rule and it’s typixally town only but I have literally only ever seen the role once, so its kind of a moot point.

But how does it even work? You get to pick which night your ability becomes active?

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 11/11/2026 at 2:40 PM (post #46)

Originally Posted by Wryly on 11/11/2026 at 12:35 PM (post #45)

Also, you can't just rage and whine and bullrush town at MYLO and expect everyone to see through it as clearly as Banana did. That's the kind of shit Mikal pulls when he's scum and trying to rush town off a cliff. Don't hand scum ammo like that. I get your impatience during DP3, but what good is it to solve the game if your behavior makes the holdout townie scumread you? Especially after you turbolynched a townie? You can't expect us to parse through your erraticness to get an accurate read on you every time.

tl;dr it wouldn't fucking kill you to exercise a modicum of self-control sometimes, wylted.

It was a long time ago but I remember getting this same lecture when I did the same thing in a lylo situation with buddamoose and FourTrouble. I was town and was throwing a temper tantrum that FT wasn’t insta hammering budda who was scum. It was obvious to me but he was trying to be thorough and I just kept pestering the shit out of him lol.

I mean I said "fuck you guys I was the Doctor" out of pure frustration so I'm being at least somewhat hypocritical here lol. But it's easy to lecture when you weren't in the LYLO hot seat :P

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 11/11/2026 at 2:57 PM (post #52)

Active PGO is the usual rule and it’s typixally town only but I have literally only ever seen the role once, so its kind of a moot point.

MU:

Mafiascum:

It's been widely understood to be a passive role for decades at this point.

Originally Posted by Wryly on 11/11/2026 at 21:05 (post #53)

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 11/11/2026 at 2:57 PM (post #52)

Active PGO is the usual rule and it’s typixally town only but I have literally only ever seen the role once, so its kind of a moot point.

But how does it even work? You get to pick which night your ability becomes active?

Yes

Originally Posted by Wryly on 11/11/2026 at 1:49 PM (post #49)

Lessons I learned this game:

1. I sus Pie and whiteflame too much by default. I should have doctored either of them NP1.
2. For some reason other townies say "something seems off about Wryly" every goddamn game.
3. I didn't sus Helz's TMI because it seemed too obvious. Sometimes what looks scummy is just scummy.
4. Bafflingly, PGO is non-compulsive on other sites. How does that even work.

I literally investigated WF DP1 lmaoo. You’re chillin

Originally Posted by RexFavilla on 11/11/2026 at 3:11 PM (post #55)

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 11/11/2026 at 2:57 PM (post #52)

Active PGO is the usual rule and it’s typixally town only but I have literally only ever seen the role once, so its kind of a moot point.

MU:

Mafiascum:

It's been widely understood to be a passive role for decades at this point.

It’s similar to Bulletproof at this point. I’ve seen a few instances of each being “activated” for a given NP, effectively limiting its usage to usually one shot, but those are the exceptions.

I could grab examples but it’s in the past. I have played a game on MU with a PGO who had to activate, I have hosted multiple games with that and I have probably played 10 or so around multiple sites like that. In all my games I think I have only seen 1 time where a compulsive PGO existed.

granted that’s my anacdotal experience but I personally see it as more balanced for the role. Instead of mass killing everyone always it adds a skill dynamic where the person can control how they are seen and bait a kill dealing with the conflicting wifom of invests and protectives.

I think compulsive PGO is kinda an awful role. It’s not fun to play or to play against; it requires no skill and just adds a weird dynamic into games that’s bad for balance. The best thing about it potentially existing is to be in a sem-open setup for wifom / fake claims

Well, in FM games anyways. No clue how many times I have played it or played with it in other formats like ToS,SC2, Skype\discord, etc.

It works fine in those formats and is more normal although even in those I have seen more unlimited shot but active vets than flat compulsive