Hyper

GG. Thoth was posting really towny near the end of the day, I wish I made that more clear but looks like everything worked out anyway. Whiteflame, it was great to be town with you, and awesome5000, sorry about the miselimination. Scum generally played pretty well, I think this setup is just tricky unless you put a lot of work into distancing.

My reads were okay, highlight was probably calling out the plausible pairing. Appreciate the shout-out by Kohai, though personally I think whiteflame deserved it for the good final 3 play. Hopefully I'll find the time to join another game here sometime.

Good luck

If this is scum then see you tomorrow.

If this is town then we probably gain a lot of info no matter what from the scum player that dies tonight. Thoth's liveposting is pretty towny. If I die tonight, rest of my reads are given earlier and in my above comment.

Seeing Thoth coming to the same Mag1cman/Casey possibility is interesting.

I kind of think Thoth is town now but I'm not sure where that'd leave a partner for awesome5000 if I'm right with my vote. Perhaps Mag1cman?

The exact scenario where voting Mag1cman makes sense is one where awesome5000 is town and Thoth presumably is as well (otherwise, not sure why he's trying to redirect today there), which would leave a partner in Casey/whiteflame from my point of view. I don't think whiteflame's scum. I did actually point out Mag1cman/Casey as a possible pairing earlier, but regardless, if we miseliminate town today, then one of them has to die at night and that's pretty high-info for town.

I have a few more thoughts but day is running out pretty fast.

Originally Posted by Thoth on 8/5/2026 at 3:50 PM (post #141)

I have played with awesome a few times and found his posting style utterly alignment-unreadable. No point for me to rank possible scum teams there.

I would like to lynch Mag1c. If he's scum then I think his partner is likely WF or Hyper

Is it solely based off his post trying to get you voted?

Originally Posted by Thoth on 8/5/2026 at 3:42 PM (post #135)

If you want to give me benefit of the doubt, I would rather that y'all give me 19 minutes to add any additional thoughts

Well, it appears that no one else is here right now, so the day isn't ending early even if I wanted it to. But yes, giving as many thoughts as possible before the flip would be helpful.

Originally Posted by Thoth on 8/5/2026 at 3:40 PM (post #133)

And my computer just lost power for a moment and crashed as I was about to finish a post. Unexpected problems rarely happen when they would be convenient. I need to get a new uninterruptible power supply. It's becoming very interruptible.

Anyway, I was going to say that, if whiteflame was right in #58 that only scum got pinged, that's a moderate scumread on awesome for posting so early. How long would I have just gotten myself banned on MS and MU for angleshooting?

Does Casey also posting early mean anything to you? I can see the read, though I'm not sure how much stock I put in it.

Originally Posted by Thoth on 8/5/2026 at 3:35 PM (post #129)

Originally Posted by Hyper on 8/5/2026 at 5:35 PM (post #128)

Does this imply a townread on me and Awesome5000?

Not sure about awesome. Probably. I was already townreading you pretty hard.

I see. If possible, it'd be nice to hear a few thoughts about Awesome5000, considering that he's one of the main candidates for elimination right now.

Originally Posted by Thoth on 8/5/2026 at 3:31 PM (post #124)

#72 is scummy from Mag1c in my book. He knows that I am a mislynch magnet, as per this post, and I bet he is banking on awesome and Hyper not fully realizing that.

Does this imply a townread on me and Awesome5000?

Yeah, it’s been a pretty light game for posting, even taking into account that there are only 6 of us. Hopefully you’ll join for future games, this activity is not normal.

Right, I joined because I saw previous games were pretty active, so just somewhat surprised here.

Originally Posted by Thoth on 8/5/2026 at 3:23 PM (post #114)

If y'all want me to talk, I have about 35 minutes to do it.

Any reads? If you need something to latch on to, try the back-and-forth between whiteflame and awesome5000.

My current dilemma is awesome5000 is striking a lot of tells that I associate with coasting scum (if I had to name another one, it'd be the fact that he has no response to my read on him despite the fact I'm currently voting him) but it's somewhat in the range of don't-care town. Granted, I know that's unhelpfully hedgy, but there's so little to go off of this game that I'd rather just be honest about self.

As for Thoth, I have even less, but the small bits I'm seeing (particularly the fact that having a partner would motivate him a bit more, perhaps) might be something? As I said earlier, I'm really hesitant to actually give a temporary town pass for not playing the game but here we are.

Also, it's a small thing, but I'm somewhat confused at how awesome5000's "sheeping Mag1cman" (#100) meshes with his scumread on whiteflame considering that whiteflame is Mag1cman's second-highest townread (#74).

To be honest, I'm sensing the game is a little bit cooked unless it's actually just awesome5000/Thoth (which feels like too much to ask for), so I don't have a particularly strong opinion on who goes this day phase as long as it's not one of the people posting decently. Was hoping for a slightly more active game for my first one in years, but that's just how it is sometimes.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/5/2026 at 3:10 PM (post #109)

Originally Posted by Hyper on 8/5/2026 at 6:06 PM (post #108)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/5/2026 at 3:04 PM (post #105)

I’ll be here until about 20 minutes before the DP ends. The fact that awesome has been more active makes me want to lynch Thoth, who came on just to give an excuse for why he didn’t think activity mattered at all.

Do you see activity as alignment indicative? I think it's generally beneficial to your alignment to be active regardless of being town or scum.

I see pushing back on being more active, specifically by Thoth, as being off of his usual playstyle. Stand-out elements like that are mainly what I’m considering when it comes to lynches. The reason itself is NAI and just being absent for long stretches is kind of his thing.

Got it. Have you seen Thoth as scum? The way I typically use meta is as a way to prove seemingly scummy behavior is standard for a given player's town playstyle; in contrast, there are a lot of reasons why a player might play differently than their usual style, and I see Thoth's explanation of not taking the game seriously here as consistent with that, even if it's frustrating. I hesitate to actually townread it, of course, but it contrasts with awesome5000's return, which really moved nothing at all for me.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/5/2026 at 3:04 PM (post #105)

I’ll be here until about 20 minutes before the DP ends. The fact that awesome has been more active makes me want to lynch Thoth, who came on just to give an excuse for why he didn’t think activity mattered at all.

Do you see activity as alignment indicative? I think it's generally beneficial to your alignment to be active regardless of being town or scum.

Originally Posted by awesome5000 on 8/5/2026 at 2:34 PM (post #93)

p#75 scumreading my activity is cringe lmao

Not sure how I feel about this considering whiteflame wasn't really expressing a scumread on your activity at the time (based on the quote "while that's not unusual for awesome based on previous games"). Can I get your thoughts on Thoth?

Thoth's explanation is frustrating but plausible, unfortunately. I don't think it's particularly alignment indicative (perhaps slightly towny if I had to choose, since I'd expect his scum partner, unless it's exactly awesome5000, to be telling him to take the game a bit more seriously).

Originally Posted by awesome5000 on 8/5/2026 at 2:32 PM (post #92)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/5/2026 at 6:41 AM (post #67)

Originally Posted by awesome5000 on 8/4/2026 at 10:25 AM (post #32)

I decided to vote the GLOBAL MODERATOR so it wasn’t completely random lmao

(also you can check the database on MU for my games, I don’t feel like linking it because I got temp banned from that site)

So, what do you think of Whiteflame’s reaction to it?

I think it’s wolfy tbh

he hedges so hard to just call me “odd” as if that’s supposed to be a real conclusion but also says “not sus” to not look bad if/when i flip

I'm not sure if those two are necessarily contradictory; but regardless, you're here now, so do you have any additional thoughts on whiteflame beyond what he's posted on you?

Interesting, so plurality voting is present as well. That's somewhat helpful, but doesn't change the fact we still need to consolidate (if both scum players are active enough to vote, then that at least three town players have to vote correctly to secure a successful elimination).

My thoughts haven't changed much since #79 and #81, so I'll start here:

VTL: awesome5000

Whiteflame/Thoth

Whiteflame/Awesome5000

Whiteflame/Mag1cman

Whiteflame/Casey

Thoth/Awesome5000

Thoth/Mag1cman

Thoth/Casey

Awesome5000/Mag1cman

Awesome5000/Casey

Mag1cman/Casey

Crossing off Thoth/Mag1cman more confidently now. While the initial suspicion in #65 could be distancing, #68 feels like it would be unnecessarily piling on to a partner.

I'm actually slightly hesitant on voting Thoth before Awesome5000 because if my unpairings are correct, Thoth can only be paired with Awesome5000, in which case we'd lose nothing by voting Awesome5000 first anyway.

My weakest Thoth unpairing is probably the one with Casey, which is solely based on #44 (seems like a rather pointed callout). With that in mind, I'd like to hear more thoughts from Casey when they get back.

whiteflame, Mag1cman: since you two are leaning Thoth, can I get your thoughts on the above? I do want to form consensus at some point, since we only have 5 hours left and a no-elimination would be pretty disastrous.

To clarify #79, I wrote that post after reading whiteflame's #75. Considering that I was townreading whiteflame for his setup complaints, it seems less likely he'd say that it's actually closer to NAI. While that could be a defense against Mag1cman's suspicion, it's still a towntell, especially combined with his response to Mag1cman's #63.

If I had to describe my thoughts on Mag1cman, it's that his thoughts are surface-level but pretty consistent internally. I don't mean that in a bad way at all—in fact, it's what I'd expect from a town player not used to playing vanilla setups. With this in mind, I'm probably not voting him today barring further information. It's a relatively weak read since it's not too hard for competent scum player to simply post decent-looking thoughts, but it's better than nothing.

Reads:

Town

Whiteflame

Casey / Mag1cman

Awesome / Thoth

Scum

I found Awesome marginally townier earlier but Thoth's continued absence feels slightly more consistent with his overall don't-care approach compared to awesome's absence, which seems NAI. Either way, considering I have better reasons to townread others, I'm running out of reasons to townread this pair.

Reasons for Casey/Mag1cman are given in my posts earlier. Unless whiteflame is a particularly tricky scum player who knows how to towntell early in vanilla setups, I'm inclined to think he's likely to be town.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/4/2026 at 8:20 PM (post #58)

As for reads, I don't have a lot to mention, but I'll give what I can.

Thoth - Starting with the "why did no one ping me?" post leaves me a little mixed. It's likely scum got pinged about the game starting, but no one else did. Just seems a little weird to call it out when all of us can see it. Aside from that, he's mainly just been frustrated that he has to evaluate other players behaviorally, which I somewhat get, but we all signed up for this game knowing that the setups would demand more on that front. I don't really get why he'd complain about it. I get that this DP is filler, but I don't like how much of his posting is just being frustrated, and yes I say that as someone who complained about the setup from the start, so I recognize it's a little hypocritical. Mainly wondering if some of this has been more performative.

Hyper - Just a lot of really good game analysis and incisive thoughts about behavior so far. I appreciate how Hyper is digging into our behaviors, and while I've seen players use this kind of thing to control the direction of the DP, there's also a lot of questions about how we perceive certain choices and a genuine effort to understand player behaviors as we've experienced them before. The attempt to figure out plausible pairings also comes off as a good way to look at how we're all bouncing off of each other. Can't see eliminating them this DP.

Casey_Risk - Not a whole lot to read into so far. Casey's been focused on my response to awesome's vote, which I'll admit likely comes off a bit odd considering I didn't realize it was an RVS for a bit. Mentioning that Thoth was slow to contribute to the thread after his initial post is fair enough, though I can't say I'm sussing the delayed contribution. I like the engagement so far, but I can't say I can read a lot into a few responses in a short period of time, so I'm waiting to see more interaction from them.

Mag1cman - One post saying that he wouldn't be available for a while and, so far, nothing additional. Basically inactive, nothing to read into.

awesome5000 - I've already given my basic thoughts on awesome, though I'll summarize. The random test vote, which I am realizing was almost certainly just RVS (really did think it was just testing the voting system, that's just me being dumb) doesn't say much by itself, nor does the follow-up. I still think it's a little defensive to just blurt out a reason for the vote unprompted, rather than a reason for keeping it up or some insight into what he's learned from the RVS, but there's just not a lot to read into with these posts so far and if there is a plan of action here, it's not popping out to me.

Similar to Hyper, while I'm not fond of just defaulting to our inactive player, Mag1c would be my first choice at this point. I'm debating between Thoth and awesome past that point, want to see more from both before I try to pick between them.

The read on Thoth is probably a towntell if I stretch (I don't think scum whiteflame speculates that scum got pinged [presumably in scumchat], since it looks almost like TMI). I think Thoth's setup frustration is pretty NAI (I can see the argument for it being performative, but the actual lack of follow-up posting is some evidence it could be real). Regardless, I'd like to see more from him.

Rest of the reads seems reasonable for the time it was posted. The general inactivity is a bit unfortunate, but we'll have to make do.

To #60, nope, hence the difference in what I'm used to in terms of game culture.

For #61, what motivation does whiteflame have to complain about the balance of the setup in the thread, as opposed to say, privately to the mod? The only explanation I could think of (other than a WIFOM play, but anything can be WIFOM) is difficulty posting content, but I'm skeptical of that based on the fact that he clearly can make reasonable-looking reads.

I kind of disagree with #62 but it might be a difference in playstyle (personally, direct accusations tend to lead to unnecessarily confrontational T/T fights early on).

I do like #61 into #65 into #68. The first two posts are already internally consistent, but continuing his line of thought with the third one reads as a natural expansion of reasoning. Town are more likely to revisit and build off their earlier reads.

For #70, if you're asking why I haven't unpaired Whiteflame/Casey, it's because #43 and #45 could easily be the result of naturally paying more attention to a teammate and ascribing scummy motivations to what seems more like an NAI/leaning town action. Granted, I don't think it's likely (I wrote it down as a difference in playstyle), but it's also plausible enough that I can't rule out the pair.

I find the read on Casey in #73 to be pretty interesting. If Casey is town, that's actually a point in Mag1cman's favor. Imagine if someone scumread you, a townie, for being nice. You'd probably be skeptical, and a bit annoyed, and take a closer look at them. So to me, it seems like Mag1cman is unnecessarily drawing attention to himself when he could easily just express a nullread on Casey. (If Casey is scum, then I can see it being a deliberate attempt at distancing though).

UNVOTE

Based on the current level of activity in thread, today's elimination is probably going to land on a lurker if only because all the somewhat active players are posting decently. That's not necessarily a bad thing—I townread whiteflame and Casey to some degree, and that leaves a 2/3 chance in the remaining players, maybe slightly higher if I'm taking awesome5000 as having the slightest hints of towniness—but it is worrying because if we miseliminate today then we have very little information to go off of tomorrow.

I'm well aware that vanilla setups are difficult to make reads in, but your reads don't have to be correct, or even halfway decent. All they have to do is make you readable to others. That's all I really have to say for now, but I'll be around later in the evening if anyone wants to have a conversation.

Whiteflame/Thoth

Whiteflame/Awesome5000

Whiteflame/Mag1cman

Whiteflame/Casey

Thoth/Awesome5000

Thoth/Mag1cman (slight)

Thoth/Casey

Awesome5000/Mag1cman

Awesome5000/Casey

Mag1cman/Casey

List of possible pairings, strikethroughs represent ones I surmise are less likely .I'm kind of operating off the assumption that scum are more likely to try and get townread early on rather than go for immediate distancing by the nature of this setup, which discourages bussing when scum lose the Night 1 kill.

I'd like to unpair whiteflame/Casey but would need to see a bit more there.

He doesn’t usually make a point of pushing RVS votes from what I’ve seen, but I did mention later that he said it wasn’t a random choice. If the idea is that any reason suffices, then sure, I guess choosing me because I’m a global moderator is as good a reason as any. Feels unnecessary for a random choice to be justified at all when I hadn’t poster yet, but whatever.

Looking at it a bit more closely, I'm not sure if awesome5000's post is so much a justification as simply explaining his choice (maybe it's a cultural thing, but I've often seen RVS votes be based on random stuff like usernames, so this doesn't strike me as any more unusual than that). Regardless, do you think that it's more likely for #32 to come from a scum mindset than a town one?

As for Casey (and to #41, thanks for the welcome), posts #43 into #45 seems decent, it's indicative of some natural development of reasoning (i.e., finding whiteflame's initial post offputting then questioning the justification). I don't necessarily agree with it—personally, I find whiteflame's reaction to be more likely the result of being unused to vanilla-style setups with little to work with in the beginning—but it feels like Casey's at least trying to latch on to something rather than fly under the radar.

I do want to ask regarding #44, though, which seems to carry some skepticism of Thoth. What distinguishes their entrance from awesome500's in your view, considering that both made a single post then left?