Mikal

Town lean/pile

Luna

Wf

Skep

Myself

Null

Magic

Anna

Lynch pile

Bullish

Casey

Thoth

Note : dont see bullish and casey as scum together. Its one or the other.

Read harder

Casey is either lying and you are town

Or casey is truthful and you could be scum

Blindly ignoring the fact mafia could claim a fake dreamer when they get questions just cus. Feels wrong. It feels very tmi. Like as scum you know thay result is accurate so you want to push someone on the list.

There is no consideration from you that its fake. That reads very bad to me.

I think its whether its your or casey. Especially given there are 3 investigation roles now

From my pov

I buy wf potentially being town. Could be overthinking but with a mass rb thing and a strengher and for thematic shit I can see it. Wf just seems so town in our pm.

I don't see luna claiming compulsory hider as scum. Its a retarded claim

Just 3 investigative roles. 2 are dreamer and something bullish is saying he can retro check lies. I dont know. That feels like its to much and something is def off

I am kinda surprised bullish is just buying the dreamer claim at face value. I feel like its entirely obvious and could be potentially be faked and throwing us off a cliff. The lack of consideration of that possibility given there are now 3 claimed investigation roles is concerning. Not sure i am buying a moving motion detector, a dreamer and a tracker

I think one of the lynch targets is there

I buy rex as town because I just dont see him outing a result in the way he did

That leaves bullish and casey. I am leaning casey but now having seconds thoughts after bullish just dismissed the option of a fake claimed dreamer when op literally said mafia could ask questions about roles and stuff. Especially given the attention casey had last dp and where set to be a target.

Kinda feels like casey may be telling the truth and this is a pivot from him because hes implicated in results that he knows are accurate.

Oh it was on the front page. Disregard. I somehow ended back at page 1 lol

Did rex delete a post?

This is my issue

We have to decide whether we trust it or not. If we dont we need to hit casey to confirm the validity of those results and poe it tomorrow. If we do trust it then we have to pick one of me bullish or luna

Issue I have with trusting it is just that. If they asked about that role existing and they fake claimed it. We are cooked.

Its how he volunteered it without me asking. Means he was thinking about that or how I would function with redirection style roles.

Its not a promise one is in the game but its possible and if one is not in the game is basically scum locks wf. Cant think of another way he ended up at shining unlews rex is lying or hes lying without a bus driver in play

Issue i have with this. Is a strengther with a weird mass role block weirdly works for balance with multiple redirects. Game seems like its role madness and both magaroth and helz were there to bypass and prevent it.

Issue is why is David dead if helz used that on him.

The oddball claim atm to me is the compulsive hider but I just struggle so hard with a wolf luna claiming something so stupid

I was asking him how my role functions and how it would interact with other roles. He offered up how it worked with a bus driver without me even asking about a bus driver.

Right now some things that are running through my head

Strengther means there def could be multiple roles that affect things. So thinking about this from that

I do think thoth slight town slipped dp1 but I dislike the 4th day reveal. Game could potentially end tomorrow if we shoot wrong but there is a lot of trust being put there and just hoping hes being honest.

I dislike the dreamer claim. Since mafia had questions. Its a very easy claim to send us off a cliff and it would be a gambit to claim it but since casey was a prime target would not put it past mafia to do this to get pressure off. If it failed casey was a prime target anyway. A hail Mary would not surprise me

I dislike Lunas post above. It's very unlike him just to throw his hands up and rely on other people for reads

I dislike wf was on shining. As i mentioned above. Pie seemed like he slipped and said a bus driver is in the game. Thought is bus driver could be wf or bus driver has to exist for wf to end up at shinning. A lot has to happen for a town wf to have visiting shining.

I don't think rex outs results like that as scum

As much as I dont like Connors behavior. Him claiming compulsive hider is odd. He is better at fake claims than that. Could he sell it and get away with it. Yes but I feel like thats not what he would claim as scum. Again all gut

Where my head at is right now is I want to get a bullish claim and then push casey. Some people may disagree with this but a casey flip could help us. If they are a dreamer leading us off the rails we are fucked and just lose. A flip could tell us if those results are accurate and every pr in town needs to be focused in on the people on that list if casey flips town. We prob can poe it down from there. The broader issue is knowing if that claim is fake and not many ways to tell. If that is a scum gambit and we go with it. We are in a world of hurt.

That's a bigger fear for me than even the pseudo ccs cus that's plausible since we see a flip allowing that balance to happen.

We are both sus of each other. Have talked a lot in chat but I can possibly two roles existing cus of mag flipping strengther.

Will say on my part. Id have to be brain dead to claim this and lie. He thought I was a mason and claimed before I did.

Someone could be lying but there is a chance this could be mafja fuckery.

Trying to not go full occams razor but the simple answer is that he git ccee and just didnt lighting rod you. He could have just visited shining and claimed the vanillaizer after I claimed

We've went through a bunch of that. But i cant shake the pie ogi thing. Only reason im not all over him atm harder than I am. That and mags flip

Im worried about the dreamer more than anything. Cus if that's fake. We just lose

But I've expressed to wf in chat. I need to think cus it does look really bad. Like it would require a bus driver to have him go to shining from what we have talked about and im a little bias toward that potentially happening cus pie

Ogi but again pointing this out. Pie basically mod slipped there was a bus driver

Ohhh more sense now

Whiteflame pinged you?????

Then why is he pinging out. He pings People who submits stuff???

Wait he pinged you to get an action in but you didnt select someone?

Its a discord chat

Just wf pie and myself

Basically a mason pm we didnt create

Mafia can ask me if any 2 elements exists in the game, and I will say yes or no. Furthermore, they can ask me if any 2 roles exist in the game, and I will say yes or no.

This is why i don't fully buy the deamer. If they can ask about roles. Its really easy to check and see if one is in the game and if not just run town off a cliff. Especially since casey was at l-1 and a major target

My gut is telling me

Casey wf

Or casey luna.

But as we sort out the ooe. More may reveal itself.

Now that I'm thinking out loud. Could also be an outside chance rex just wants to get a lynch off since he was high prio yesterday

Think thats less likely but not implausible

From my poe. I think its likley there is bs there or there is a bus driver.

I buy a rod and this. Just cus if hes telling the truth and thetr js a vanillaizer. From balance its more logical

Its just whether he is being honest. He ended up at shining and the onky thing in my head is pie telling me how I interact with a bus driver when I didnt even ask him that lol

I told him this and have to say it here. When I walking pie questions yesterday about how my roles functions and shit.

He brought up how it would function with a bus driver. Unprompted. It does make me think lol

This is the big thing go me

Is if that vanillaize portion is a lie. I basically cced him in chat cus he thought i was a mason

We are discussing his post above but there is a lot of chaos

I was initially sus of two redirecting mechanisms being in the same game but was entertaining it cus of the vanilliazer from a role balance perspective

Its more odd if he is going to someone i didnt move him too when he was vanillized. To note he said he was vanillized after I claimed. Was an inadvertent cc of sorts as far as both being forms of misdirection

Def think mafia have a lot of roles that can fuck with stuff

Or he could be lying all around and I just moved luna to him and he did something to shinning.

How did you see him going to amyone if he got vanillized though