Mikal

Can you give a vague description to what that means without claiming.

you now either validate max as town or can fuck with him as scum. That or you both are another faction outside of that

Wait I just noticed something that I missed

All factions have day chat. However, there are mechanics that could disable day chat.

this post strikes me as odd

1) because he said nothing can change alignment

2) because it says “factions”

why would he need to clarify that day chat can be disabled. Town has day chat and a mason pm would not be called day chat. Is he clarifying mafia chat can be interrupted or is there a third faction in the game

What made you think a mason existed at the start of the game ?

I’m 90 percent sure there is 1 scum between awesome unsaid and wf

I put a long post prior

but the assumption about a mason being in the game with no promo before max claimed

his genuine attitude reads as scum frustration on the town locks

scum reading Thoth and I for saying we have a win con after David confirmed it

scum reading Thoth for saying there is anti claim mechanics with his justification for the read being tmi when it’s in the op

then trying to sell us as scum then inevitably dropping it and conceding the pm win con was a thing after he could not refute it

vader Is in my top 3 but I’m way more in inclined to go awesome first. All his post read frustrated scum. Granted I don’t know him that well but Vader basically said he was not getting back on today. He won’t be able to claim and im bot blind lynching him as they both have equally scummy behavior.

they are the targets and if they are going to die they have to claim anyway. That’s my point. We have to have a target and the target has to claim. We are getting at least one more regardless

I don’t disagree with that and it’s prob worth pressure why he said that. I pointed it out above. I’m inclined to think it’s something to do with anti claim but it also cools validate max more. I think it either ties them together as scum or confirms max is town if he flips scum.

id be interested to here where he got that from as well. As he never mentioned it.

Fair enough but we aren’t switching targets and are running out of time. You two are both on towns Poe. My point is softing doesn’t do much as who we pick is going to have to claim their role anyway

Soft claiming won’t matter. One of you is dying so the full claim helps. Anti claim don’t matter if you are dead and we are wrong.

i still don’t think claiming your role triggers it. It’s why I didn’t say my character. At least looking at past anti claim mechs

I’m pretty sure awesome is l2 4/6. So if we are going that way. As is wf. Kinda split so we should have claims and decide imo

Everyone pick your top 2 and let’s move this forward.

unsaid - wf

myself - wf - anon/supa (either is okay but supa mainly cus he hardly ever posts)

I don’t disagree with this.

think it’s unlikely but yeah I’ll concede it’s not “locked”

Okay wf is 1. Pick a second

So let’s move past the back and forth and I’ll say agree with the behavior over role priority.

top 2 targets and why

I get the behavior over role shtick and it’s not that it’s site specific.

it’s that I’ve claimed multiple confirmable aspects

I am - confirmed popular

I cant - die to np fuckery

I can - send a list of 3 people. One or more is scum.

so that would - have to be my entire role as - scum - because it’s all verifiable. That role would exist and unless you think he’s also giving me mafia utility (rb, redirect, yada yada). Then it’s a good start to add on top of behavior.

sure role shit is not as strong as behavior but it’s a good ass reference point

It’s why they won’t release the Epstein files.

but largely if you think I’m a popular scum that can send fake results then not much to try and defend there. You can include me

in your own list but I don’t think anyone else is going to entertain that.

im also full claimed. So who do we pressure and why?

Do you think I’m popular scum who claimed a pseudo dreamer.

im confirmed popular, I can’t die , and unless mafia want to roleblock me every night. The dreamer portion is also confirmable.

so youd have to think I’m a popular mafia who can send town fake results as a scum

power role. You are welcome to think that but it’s kinda wild if you do.

Personally think we need to pick two targets and focus on them. We have 2 full claims on the table so need to be careful with what else we give. Always the potential to push someone and back off if their role sounds right. But we need to narrow down where we are going to focus.

I know the new guys has not played with us.

some notes

Pie is very good with details and can bend results

skep has been doing mafia as long as I have (12 years) so he would be able to produce good fake claims

supa - is largely lazy but tries. He stays busy but plays cus we need activity. He often is a mislynch later in games because of this

wf - is very good at fake claiming. Very very good.

Can we all agree on a few things so we can move this forward.

1) targeting pie is useless dp1. He’s claimed he’s affil confirmable so if he’s lying or doesn’t produce then he dies. We can circle back to this in later day phases.

2) Luna and Thoth are okay to leave alone for a while. They are not “locked” but Luna is as close to town confirm as it gets and Thoth less so but enough to leave alone for now

3) unless you think I’ve pointed out semi mod confirmations (again don’t like that I did it but I’m not fabricating reads), am a popular mafioso lying about my singing. Then we can lock me as well.

4) max is more of a trust me but all his posting and his past experience makes me think he’s town. I don’t think he would fake claim a neighborizer. Doubt he knows what that is to use that verbiage and a scum version of that is pointless unless it’s being used to fuck with town and afil lock a scum player. Luna tends to do this, I don’t think David would. I also think this game is not balanced well so I assume a scum neighborizer limits the amount of power scum have

max - Luna - pie (for now) - Thoth - myself

I think these are pretty agreeable ignore for now reads amongst everyone. So who do we want to focus so we aren’t dancing tomorrow

Lynch order for me

Town Pile

Higher End

Myself

Luna

Max

Thoth

Pie (unless he can't produce what he said this can stay for now)

Mid Town Reads

Unsaid

Skep

Lean Scum

WF

Awesome

Don't know what to do with them

Supa

Potential Pairings

WF Anon

Unsaid Supa

Skep Anon

Skep Unsaid

Supa Anon

This can change based on what pies actual role is. Skep and Unsaid aren't hard town but I think they are more town than WF or Anon by interactions, and poe.

I think I'm okay with

1) making supa full claim, he likely won't contribute much so at least this helps us solve

2) Focusing on WF or Anon today as the lynch

Anon does seem pretty stuck on the fact that his PM is different than Mine and Thoth. This really is the one thing holding me back from going all in on him. Because it reads as genuine and I have no idea why scum would double down on this

VTL WF

Rex

Like Mikal has claimed a bulletproof popular caroler? Has the popular been tested? And apparently there was another modslip? A double one? That's what Mikal seems to be saying on the bottom of page eight.

If he's scum why would he even mention this. I think this reads as town. Scum would know i'm popular (I'm not scum so why would I lie). The fact he is wanting to test it reads as town. The rest of the annoyance and being to tired to read also comes off as very Skep like.

Why? I think whiteflame is more than capable of restating the OP as scum, it seems pretty low-effort to me. Why townread him over that?

Agree with this

don't think skep and WF would be scum together off this.

You're the second person to mention this. Does Kohai have a reputation for doing this? Anything other than random role assignment was unthinkable back when I played. It seems like a bizarre thing to speculate about otherwise.

This is either town trying to keep the game on track or scum being upset that awesome or anon are scum with him. Tend to think town

Okay

fine with locking him into shit because he plays this way as town or scum and if he's town he 10000000 percent will be a mislynch target later in the game. He's scumreading town lock people because he didnt read the DP. which is a supa thing to do

Supa is supa and his posts make me want to kms. I love him but his effort is always minimal but happy he plays but holy fuck I have a hard time reading anything he says because it's all drivel.

not going to bother behavior reading Pie since he is afill lock according to him

Town Pile

Myself

Luna

Thoth

Max

Pie (unless he can't produce what he said this can stay for now)

Can't be scum together

unsaid and WF

Thoth and anon

ie yet. He said he is affil confirmable. If hes not we kill him.

Thoth I am not going to behavior read off the exchange with david.

I was doing it and just decided to let it ride. I also don't think thoth and awesome can be scum together

So currently looking back at this

Town Pile

Myself

Luna

Thoth

Max

Can't be scum together

unsaid and WF

Thoth and anon

Awesome

This one bothers the most and is the sore thumb this dp.

i get the impression there's probably a mason or a hood

This is out of the gate and I wonder why he thought this. I asked for a clarification and never got it.

idk if talking about this shit is allowed on this site but i'm gonna angle thoth scum here

This is where stuff starts to get weird. He scum reads Thoth off the PM thing when I was the one who suggested it. He then goes on to suggest thoth slipped.

he slipped twice, once with the role pm stuff (mine does not have any sort of win condition shit, but idk if I’m allowed to talk about this, it would get me modkilled on MU lmao), once when discussing anticlaim. Since when does town have anticlaim, like ever? How would it even work, it only activates if it’s scum? If it works on everyone, ask everyone to claim and have it function like a vig lmao. That kind of statement comes from scum perspective

pushing random inactive makes it worse, not better

the thing that strikes me as odd 1) is the lack of wincon when its present in other peoples or htey would have said it already. I don't want to scum read of this. He then starts saying anti claim is TMI, when it states it clearly in the OP twice.

Most of the interactions after this about angle shooting, and that we are both scum kinda read as scum frustration.

Moving on the rest of the game.

1) Whiteflame

There is an anti-claim mechanic in play. Softclaims will likely be fine, but unless you have a clearly SOP claim, absolutely do not claim unprompted. We can work through how and who to pressure for claims as the DP goes on, but please do not gift scum extra roles to use during the NP.

There appears to be some mechanic in the game that can affect the day chat. Not clear if that just means for one player (e.g. a Silencer) or some broader mechanic, but if something interrupts the chat for this DP or any future ones, Kohai made it clear that such a mechanic exists.

I want to know how he ties these two points together. I see anti claim, I don't see anything about affecting day chat and it's an odd line to draw from anti claim. This comes off as TMI.

That is a pretty good indicator. Scum would have received theirs without any additional prompting. It's not impossible that Luna used this as a tactic as scum, but considering the delay in starting the DP, I doubt Kohai would do that just to give a member of the scum team mod-confirmed towncred pre-game.

this is weird way to frame the possibility of a town lock not being a town lock. Granted it's not a real town lock. It also implies lunatic was lying, and david still cofirmed it. Just a strange statement.

I think the exchange from 106 and 107 between WF and unsaid, lock in they are not scum together. It's a immediate push on WF and a very unneeded thing to do as a scum pairing.

I'm unclear what the mindset is for this post. I get that three votes suddenly appearing on Max would be sus af, but I'm also unclear on why you're amping up pressure on a so far absent player. Pie made a good point about how this is particularly odd coming off of last game where Mikal took advantage of an opportunity to make it look like an accidental lynch, so I'm not sure why you'd contribute to that potentially happening again.

then immediately this

Where are you at, REF? I recognize that we're still relatively early in the DP, but I'm going to need some signs of life.

VTL REF

These two statements do not work well together. It's like hes asking why hes pressuring an absent player then votes another absent player.

I have a problem with Thoth's decision to pile onto Max despite him already having 2 votes and still being inactive. REF, by contrast, has had little attention on him and no votes.

Kind of answers it, I can take this looking back at it.

WF bothers me. Most of what he is doing is fluff and he's not really scum hunting. He's town reading and fluffing. This has always bothered me in the past about him and I don't think I have ever missed him as scum. It is true he does this as town as well, but there is something about this game that hits me wrong. It's like hes actively posting but not really giving reads or looking for scum. It's either invalidating other reads, or offering town reads only.

Wanted to go back and analyze this pretty in dept. Was waiting to get some information before I did a pretty Indepth post.

Starting with the obvious Luna. Had to go back and look at this and is much as it's stuff that shouldn't be taken into account. It has to be, mainly because I am not faking a read over it.

Luna posts at 4:27 - Am I playing have not received my role.

David Responds at 4:38 - Sorry my bad, just sent it (acknowledging he has not sent it)

Game starts 8 mins later. I do think there is a world where luna is scum with this happening. I am wrong, I will learn my lesson but looking back at the time line. This is perma locking luna for me.

The other person that I think that is locked locked is Max. I don't think scum have a neighborzier. It's possible but unlikely. Max mentioned he would not be on until late last night (this tracks with his activity in life), also that he wont be able to post all day tomorrow (also tracks with activity). Maxes role semi confirms him but his consistency in the excuses he is claiming largely lines up with his life schedule.