SkepticalOne

Why do those things make it theft? It seems contradictory to me that paying someone a low wage could be worse than not paying them at all.

I do not accept employment is some type of charity situation. Employment is a mutually beneficial arrangement. The employee gets a wage that allows them to live at the current cost of living, and the employer gets profit. Wages arent supposed to be hourly plus government assistance. That is an employer increasing their bottom line by having taxpayers cover the employee's shortfall. It is shorting the employee and stealing from the public coffers to maximize profit. What's worse is that some of these corporation pay little or no federal tax. As a small business owner who pays taxes, thats bass ackwards on multiple fronts.

Savant wrote:

Since when is profit theft?!

I don't think it is, but it's a pretty common socialist viewpoint. Not sure there are any socialists on this forum, though, so there might not have been a point posting this here.

I think there is a point when profit becomes theft. For instance, when a company's employees need to rely on public assistance to survive. When profit has a higher priority than the people that make it possible, it becomes theft. Eg. Amazon, Mcdonalds, Wal-Mart.

SatanLucy wrote:

If there is no profit, no one will invest or give person a job.

Are we excluding government jobs....postal service, police, military, fire, etc?

Since when is profit theft?!

And why not also fight for masculism?

Probably because 'masculism' enjoys a privileged status in our society.

One wonders why "abortion, childbirth, and childraising" [sic] ought to be combined together in any conversation.

One apparently doesnt comprehend family planning can be deliberate.

Sex discrimination and... fair compensation" is already documented by current statutory law and policy.

And yet, the problems persist.

You've done nothing to refute the facts that make conclusions of OP dubious.

Debby wrote:

When China turned communist it separated religion from the state. Yet China prints 75% of the worlds bibles.

This is simply not true. China closely polices religious activity and forces a short list of state approved religions to sync with Chinese culture and morality. China is considered one of the most restrictive nations regarding religious liberty.

https://hrwf.eu/world-2026-annual-report-of-the-united-states-commission-on-international-religious-freedom/

Debby wrote:

God isn’t here to clean up your mess.

❤️ Agreed! Less thoughts and prayers and more personal accountability and action!

What you are responding to does not mention race, so that part of the rant can be dismissed as irrelevant.

As for the suggestion that housing is a privelege. What? Its true children arent of age to sign a lease contract, but that doesnt mean they have no expectation of living under a roof. That is completely bonkers. Everyone is justified in expecting shelter.

The true privelege in this scenario is being able to own a spare dwelling. Let us set the correct perspective.

Debby wrote:

God needs help especially when the prophets he sends are killed.

You are describing a god with limited power. If that is the deity you defend, then I understand your motivation.

Debby wrote:

I gave China as an example where separation of church and state is working.

I dont believe China has separation of church and state.

Honoring treaties and sovereignty is already codified. See the next-to-last sentence of the last paragraph. The same goes in response to the balance of the quote above.

And yet, hundreds and hundred of treaties made with tribes were broken and remain that way. It is an embarrassment and a horrible shame upon us.

Memo: The XIIIth, XIVth, and XVth Amendments to the Constitution, called the "Reconstruction Amendments," already deleted the legacy of slavery by 1868, 158 years ago.

The legacy of slavery is economic disparities perpetuated by the system, racial wealth gap, and unequal access to housing, healthcare, and education. Redlining and Jim Crow may be gone, but their residue remains. And then there is Modern mass incaceration fueled by systemic policing tactics and strict sentencing has black and brown communities overrepresented.

I am happy to concede your birth cost $0 in 1949. This only strengthens the point.

You completely overlook that in the 1950s a 6 day stay in a hospital to give birth cost, no joke, about a $100. Today, it cost close to 20 grand, and, even with insurance, young families will be on the hook for ~$3000 of that (which is still double the 2026 equivalent of what your parents paid out of pocket without insurance in the 1950s (?)).

Is it any suprise more and more people are starting to wonder why public funds can't do more to help the public rather than the corporations that take advantage of things like medical needs.

Debby wrote:

Separation of church and state has seen the rise of China. Even though China produces more Bible than many countries put together.

What? I'm not following.

The state does not quote the Bible in its policy.

Even if that were true, it wouldn't mean state actors arent capable of favoring a specific religion. For instance, Dan Patrick states an individual among the ranks of his political opposition is "going to hell" for holding religious views which differ from his own.

Secondly, there are many instances of legislation attempting to advance Christianity explicitly citing the Bible. I am thinking of bills like Senate Bill 10 in Texas which requires a Protestant version of the 10 cammandments to be displayed in schools (if donated). Also, in Texas, the mandatory reading list includes excerpts from the Bible.

Debby wrote:

Because the evil outnumber the good. More helping hands is needed.

A being with unlimited power shouldn't need help, though, right?

Christians are offered different gifts, like gift of healing, gift of knowledge, gift of interpretation etc. They all serve differently based on their given gift.

Im not sure how this relates to my post. Why would a being capable of creating all that is need finite beings to defend against other finite beings?

Clever women are a boon wherever they exist.

Debby wrote:

It needs to be protected from falsehood and distortion.

Ahh, I see. So you're like Christian Internal Affairs? ...the religious 'CIA', if you will

I wonder why the all powerful, all knowing entity on team God doesnt handle that? 🤔🤔

Debby wrote:

I am here to defend my faith. Good to be back. Thank you.

Why does it need defense?

SatanLucy wrote:

"not everything taught in Sunday School is true. "

Unproved claim.

Science and history have shown many simplistic lessons taught in SS are demonstrably false.

Debby wrote:

God created the universe in 6 days. That feat has never been replicated.

Pro tip: not everything taught in Sunday School is true.

Savant wrote:

Pro-life is trending down.

Depends on how long the time frame is we're looking at. I suspect that with artificial wombs, fewer people will see abortion as necessary, which might be enough to make an anti-abortion coalition dominant. Some people would still support abortion on principle, but I think they'll be a minority. That said, I think that both pro-life and pro-choice views have trended up, since in ancient times you had views like "husbands should be allowed to force their wives to get abortions" or support for infanticide. Today people either prioritize autonomy or the life of the child, but for a long time people didn't really care about either.

Your argument is 'it *might* be different in the future'. Maybe, maybe not. This is speculation. The current reality is that pro-life ideology is trending down.

High fertility is not a guarantee of ideological dominance.

There's definitely a correlation though between what parents believe and what their kids believe. I agree that it's not the only factor though.

There are obviously stronger forces than fertility shaping what is considered moral and our perception of reality. If this weren't the case, then humans would still accept slavery as moral or that the sun circles the Earth.

Debby wrote:

Jesus is proof that God exists. The miracles he performed and his resurrection adds further evidence the super natural evidence in his existence.

Claims =/= evidence. Nice try.

Children of Muslims are much more likely to be Muslims themselves. And your logic goes both ways, so it's not any smart.

It is interesting that youre comparing Conservatism to a religion. I can definitely see the similarities. And yet, adherents are diminishing with each generarion:

Savant wrote:

My parents were Pro-choice and conservative

Did you mean to say pro-life and conservative? Or are they just conservative on other issues?

Yes, my parents were pro-life and conservative. Thanks for catching that.

Long term, no. Conservatives reproduce far more than radical left.

My parents were Pro-choice and conservative. Out of four children, only one subscribes to their views.

High fertility is not a guarantee of ideological dominance.

And yet, Pro-life is trending down.

Cool story, bro.

Just FYI, "anti-abortionists" have abortions, and "pro-abortionists" have children. That alone throws off the extrapolation your conclusions stand on.

So the left strikes again.

You misspelled cardiovascular disease.