Yes thats what skeptics do, ignore evidence, to maintain their world view. I take it either you dont know much about credible people seeing inexplicable phenomenon, or you, too, like to just stick your head in the sand and ignore evidence. I dont know which position is worse, denying evidence, or simply saying 'i dont know' and not being willing to take a position
I know its par for course to joke about this stuff. But at least hes taking a position. Its a fact... tons of credible people continually see including towns of people, spacecraft that do things contradict known physics
And really this is the problem with skepticism and atheism. Its skepticism for the sake of skepticism, even when it dont make sense. Yes healthy skepticism is good but when it denying all terms and conditions even the clear ones, its just stupid
See above
All the talk about socialism v capitalism v communism is academic or misguided. Each system has problems and no country is one or the other. Most like us have capitalism with varying degrees of social safety nets. In the usa our spending aint much different than elsewhere but we have less safety net. Given our bloated military and health industry.
The talk about the systems is misguided cause its mostly reactionary and not discussing specific incremental changes to our system that aren't too much ideological but more practical such that abstraction talk is pointless
Ill be honest, sometimes I view the old covenant and testament as man's covenant with god not the first covenant god had with man. But if we wanted to look at it as a possible way of god asking if we can meet legalistic methods of appealing to god, thats plausible depending on how we interpret old testament scripture. Even the idea of an eye for an eye contradicts turning the cheek... how can god be consistent and support both? But if we look at one as legalistic and the basic standard but as jesus teachings setting a higher civenential standard thats plausible
The way I see it is they have no legal right that America must recognize and morally when someone is the biggest state sponsor of terrorism in the world and wants your country to die they have no moral right that anyone else need recognize either.
# The Ocean of Love: Anologies of How Souls Grow, Transform, and Resonantly Participate in God’s Grace
Some non-believers struggle to reconcile the concept of God’s mercy. For some, He is **too merciful**, forgiving sinners; for others, **not merciful enough**, allowing suffering or judgment. This tension is not accidental. It reflects the deep paradox at the heart of human existence: **freedom, love, and moral consequence coexisting with infinite grace**. To explore it, we turn to analogy, mysticism, and contemporary understanding of happiness and near-death experiences—tools that have long helped the human mind and heart engage truths beyond literal description.
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## God’s Love: The Ocean, the Fire, and the Light
One of the most powerful ways to imagine God’s love is as an **ocean**—limitless, omnipresent, and infinitely deep. Every human soul is a **cup**, filled to the brim according to its capacity. Some cups are large, shaped by openness, humility, and love; others are smaller, constrained by pride, fear, and attachment to selfishness.
God’s love touches all cups, believers and non-believers alike. Even souls estranged by sin—wandering in a spiritual wilderness—can occasionally experience its waves, glimpsing communion with others and moments of grace. In this sense, love is universal, though **full covenant participation** remains uniquely realized in the Body of Christ.
But God’s love is also like **refining fire and gold**. The human soul, like gold in the fire, is **tested, purified, and shaped** by life’s trials. Sin and suffering are not arbitrary; they are opportunities for transformation. The **pain of estrangement, the consequences of error, the struggles of human weakness** are refining forces, burning away illusions of self and leaving the soul more capable of receiving and reflecting divine love.
Similarly, the soul is like a **mirror reflecting light**. At first, the mirror is tarnished, clouded by ego, attachment, and fear. Gradually, through repentance, service, and love, the mirror is polished. As it becomes clearer, it reflects God’s light more fully, radiating love outward. Every act of compassion, every moment of humility, is a polishing stroke.
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## Waves, Vibrations, and Spiritual Resonance
The soul’s inner state is dynamic. Spiritual life is **like waves moving through the ocean of God’s love**. Saints and spiritually mature individuals resonate at high vibrations, harmonizing with love and truth. Those mired in selfishness or sin resonate at lower vibrations, experiencing the same divine reality as painful exposure. Yet all waves touch the same ocean. Even a wave far from the shore may send ripples that influence others.
Modern science mirrors this metaphor. Positive psychology consistently finds that **lasting happiness correlates with love, compassion, forgiveness, and meaningful connection**. Likewise, near-death experiences often reveal that the soul’s measure is **how much love it embodies**, not mere ritual observance or doctrinal knowledge. Spiritual capacity—like your cup analogy—determines how fully one experiences divine love.
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## Non-Believers, Grace, and the Possibility of Communion
The parable of the sheep and goats (Gospel of Matthew 25), as interpreted by John Chrysostom, emphasizes **love in action over identity**. Those who feed the hungry, welcome strangers, and visit the imprisoned are aligned with God’s love, even if they are unaware of Christ’s full revelation.
Early Christian thinkers like Gregory of Nyssa emphasized that **all souls are in process**, moving toward God at different rates. The sheep and goat qualities are tendencies, not fixed categories. In this light, non-believers may sometimes **approach the dwelling place of love**, participating in grace to the degree their hearts allow. Their cups may be smaller, their resonance lower, yet the ocean still reaches them. This analogy preserves orthodoxy: believers have a unique covenantal participation, but God’s love **touches all souls**.
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## Transformation: From Glory to Glory
Paul describes this process beautifully:
> “And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory” (2 Corinthians 3:18).
Transformation is **gradual**. Each soul grows in capacity to receive love. Life, suffering, and spiritual practice are refining forces, enlarging the cup, polishing the mirror, and harmonizing the wave. Thomas Merton calls this the discovery of the **true self**, capable of loving beyond ego and fear. Desert Fathers would describe it as purification and illumination—**the journey from shadow into light**, from self-centeredness into communion with God.
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## Spiritual Growth and Human Happiness
Here is where Christian spirituality, philosophy, and science converge. The traits that enlarge the spiritual cup—**compassion, humility, forgiveness, and generosity**—also maximize **human flourishing and happiness**. NDE accounts suggest the same: the soul’s alignment with love determines its experience of ultimate reality.
Thus, our analogies—the ocean, the cups, waves and vibrations, the refining fire, the mirror, and the light—are not merely poetic. They describe the **mechanics of spiritual transformation**, the cultivation of happiness, and the reception of divine love.
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## Living in the Ocean
Ultimately, the human task is to learn to **resonate with the divine frequency**, to allow love to shape the soul into greater capacity. Every soul is touched by the infinite ocean; every mirror is polished, every gold tested, every wave rippling outward. Believers share a unique covenantal intimacy with God and each other, yet even the wandering, struggling, or estranged are **touched by grace**, invited to participate, however partially, in the dance of divine love.
In this vision, life is an invitation: to open the cup, polish the mirror, ride the waves, and enter the refining fire of love—not as punishment, but as transformation. Happiness is found not in clinging to self, but in **learning to reflect, embody, and share the infinite ocean of God’s love**.
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Is god too merciful or not merciful enough? Divine love as healing our disease of sin and its natural consequence
It often seems that when discussions turn to God’s mercy, some critics are impossible to satisfy. If God is merciful, they say evil goes unpunished. If God judges wrongdoing, they say God is cruel. If forgiveness is emphasized, justice appears weak. If judgment is emphasized, mercy appears too small.
The pendulum swings endlessly: **too much mercy or not enough mercy**.
But this tension may reveal something deeper about human moral intuition. We instinctively believe that evil should matter—that cruelty, injustice, and betrayal should have consequences. Yet we also instinctively believe in redemption—that people should be able to change, heal, and be forgiven.
The challenge for theology, philosophy, and even psychology has always been this: **how can justice and mercy both be real without canceling each other out?**
When we explore Christian spirituality more deeply—especially the insights of the early Church Fathers, the Desert Fathers, and later contemplatives—we find that the tradition often reframes the problem entirely.
Instead of thinking primarily in legal categories, many Christian thinkers spoke about **healing, transformation, and participation in divine love**.
When this perspective is combined with modern reflections on happiness and even the intriguing reports from near-death experiences, a surprisingly coherent picture emerges.
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## Justice and mercy beyond the courtroom
The modern imagination often pictures divine judgment like a courtroom trial: humanity stands accused, God delivers a verdict, and heaven or hell are the sentence.
But early Christian teachers frequently used **medical language rather than legal language**. Sin was not merely breaking rules; it was a **sickness of the soul**.
Hatred, greed, pride, and indifference were seen as distortions of human nature—conditions that damage both the individual and the community.
Within that framework, divine mercy is not the cancellation of justice. Instead, mercy becomes **the means by which justice heals rather than destroys**.
Spiritual life then resembles therapy for the soul: repentance, humility, forgiveness, and compassion are medicines that gradually restore us to our intended nature.
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## The ocean and the waves
A helpful metaphor for thinking about moral life is the image of **the ocean and the waves**.
Imagine reality as an infinite ocean of being and love. Each human life is like a wave moving across that ocean. Our choices—kindness or cruelty, generosity or selfishness—create ripples that spread outward through the same shared sea.
Those ripples touch other waves. Sometimes gently, sometimes destructively.
The moral life, in this sense, is not just about obeying commands. It is about the **patterns we create in the ocean of existence**.
When our actions align with compassion and truth, our waves move in harmony with the deeper rhythm of the ocean. When our actions arise from hatred or ego, we create distorted patterns that bring suffering both to ourselves and to others.
This is why spiritual writers often described saints as radiating clarity, peace, or light. In modern metaphorical language one might say they live at a **higher spiritual frequency**—their lives resonate with the deeper structure of divine love.
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## Sin as sickness
The Desert Fathers and many early theologians viewed sin not primarily as rebellion but as **disorder**.
Repeated selfish actions shape habits. Habits shape character. Character shapes consciousness.
Modern psychology confirms this insight. Our repeated behaviors literally reshape the brain and the emotional patterns through which we experience the world.
Thus both spiritual tradition and modern science converge on a simple idea: **we become what we practice**.
Holiness, then, is not merely moral compliance. It is the gradual restoration of the soul into harmony with love.
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## The life review and the ripple effect
Near-death experience reports often describe something called a **life review**. People recount reliving events from their lives while simultaneously feeling the emotional impact their actions had on others.
Moments of kindness produce deep joy. Moments of cruelty or indifference bring painful awareness—not because of external condemnation but because the individual suddenly perceives the full ripple effect of their life.
If the ocean-and-waves analogy has any truth, this phenomenon becomes understandable. A life review would simply reveal the **true pattern of the waves we created**.
What we normally glimpse only partially—how our words affected another person, how a small act of compassion changed someone’s day—becomes suddenly visible in its entirety.
In that sense judgment might not primarily be a verdict. It may be **illumination**.
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## God’s love and the cups we carry
Another metaphor helps clarify how divine love might be experienced differently by different people.
Imagine that God’s love is like an infinite ocean of water, while each human soul is like a cup dipped into that ocean.
Every cup is filled.
But cups come in different sizes.
Some souls have been expanded by humility, compassion, and openness. Others have been constricted by fear, resentment, or selfishness.
The ocean gives itself completely to every cup, yet each cup receives according to its **capacity**.
This image suggests that divine love is constant, while our experience of it depends on the **shape and openness of our souls**.
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## Separation and spiritual frequency
In the teachings attributed to Jesus Christ, there are clear warnings about separation—images of sheep and goats, wise and foolish servants, doors that remain closed.
Within the framework we are exploring, such separation might be understood not merely as external punishment but as **a difference in spiritual resonance**.
Those who have learned to live in love experience divine reality as joy and communion. Those who cling to resentment, pride, or hatred experience the same reality as discomfort or even anguish.
In metaphorical terms, it is like waves moving at different frequencies within the same ocean.
The ocean is the same. The experience differs according to the pattern of the wave.
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## The question of restoration
Some early Christian thinkers speculated that divine love might ultimately heal all souls. This view—often called universal restoration—remains debated within Christian theology.
Within the framework we have been exploring, one might imagine this possibility as a hypothesis.
If every soul eventually encounters the full reality of love and truth, and if humans are fundamentally created in the image of God, then perhaps even distorted waves might gradually learn to move again in harmony with the ocean.
Whether such restoration ultimately occurs is a question that remains mysterious.
But the important point is that **God’s love would remain constant throughout the process**. Every soul would encounter the same infinite ocean. The difference would lie in how fully each soul is able to receive and resonate with that love.
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## Happiness as alignment with reality
This vision also intersects with the philosophy of happiness.
Ancient thinkers like Aristotle argued that true happiness comes from living in accordance with virtue—aligning one’s life with truth and goodness.
Christian spirituality deepens this idea by suggesting that the ultimate source of happiness is participation in divine love.
When we live with compassion, honesty, humility, and generosity, our inner life becomes coherent. When we live in resentment or greed, our inner life becomes fragmented.
Thus happiness is not merely pleasure or comfort. It is **harmony with the deepest structure of reality**.
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## The contemplative insight
The modern contemplative writer Thomas Merton emphasized that spiritual awakening involves discovering our true self in God.
Beneath the layers of ego, fear, and social conditioning lies a deeper identity rooted in love.
The spiritual journey is the gradual uncovering of that true self—the expansion of the soul’s capacity to receive and reflect divine love.
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## Rethinking the problem of mercy
Seen from this perspective, the original complaint about God’s mercy may arise from misunderstanding the nature of divine justice.
If mercy is simply leniency, justice appears compromised. If justice is only punishment, mercy appears insufficient.
But if divine love is the fundamental reality of the universe, then justice and mercy may be two aspects of the same process.
Justice reveals the truth of the waves we have created.
Mercy invites us to become new waves.
The purpose of life, then, may not simply be avoiding punishment or earning reward. It may be the gradual expansion of our capacity to participate in the infinite ocean of love from which we came.
And perhaps the deepest happiness available to human beings lies precisely there—in learning, slowly and imperfectly, to move in harmony with that ocean.
It seems like a lot of times non-believers can't be satisfied with God's mercy. Too merciful, angry. Not merciful enough, angry.
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You’re touching on a tension that theologians, philosophers, and skeptics have wrestled with for centuries. The difficulty is that **people often want two things at once**:
1. **Perfect justice** (evil should truly matter and be punished).
2. **Perfect mercy** (people should ultimately be forgiven or restored).
Those two intuitions pull in opposite directions. If God is *too merciful*, critics say:
* “Then justice is meaningless. Evil gets a free pass.”
If God is *too strict or just*, critics say:
* “Then God is cruel or unforgiving.”
So the dissatisfaction often comes from **trying to hold both intuitions at the same time** while also rejecting the framework that might reconcile them.
In Christianity, the classic attempt to resolve this tension is the idea that **justice and mercy meet rather than cancel each other**—most centrally in the story of Christ. The claim is that God doesn’t ignore justice, but also doesn’t abandon mercy.
You can see the philosophical problem this way:
* A universe with **only justice** becomes harsh and hopeless.
* A universe with **only mercy** risks moral chaos.
* The religious claim is that reality somehow contains **both**.
Another layer is psychological. Many non-believers (and believers too) react differently depending on **which part of the doctrine they are focusing on**:
* When they think about **hell or judgment**, mercy feels insufficient.
* When they think about **forgiveness of terrible people**, mercy feels excessive.
So the complaint shifts depending on which moral intuition is triggered.
Interestingly, this tension shows up even outside religion. In criminal justice debates, for example:
* Some people say sentences are **too lenient**.
* Others say they are **too harsh**.
Human moral instincts themselves are divided.
Your observation actually echoes a biblical theme too. In the book of Book of Jonah, the prophet is **angry that God is *too merciful*** toward the city of Nineveh. Even inside scripture, people struggle with the same paradox.
From a philosophical standpoint, the deeper issue may be this:
**People want a God who perfectly aligns with their own moral instincts.** But those instincts themselves are often inconsistent.
I’m curious about your perspective here because of the theological synthesis you’ve been working on in your writing (especially around grace, transformation, and love).
Do you think the deeper Christian answer is **mercy plus transformation**—meaning God forgives but also actually changes the person?
That idea seems closer to the Orthodox emphasis you’ve said resonates with you.
Im not talking about translations but that is its own can of worms.
Theres protestant, Catholic, and orthodox versions each with different books in them. Ive always been partial to catholic and orthodox bibles cause im more deferential to their authority structure. But ive never really been able to pick between those two churches as to which is a superior structure. I suppose Catholic but im not sure
If you cant accept love as an inherent good you are a lost cause. Not just religion, sociology, psychology, and secular philosophy endorse it.
Plus I think if you were honest you'd go for average looks and the next logical step is might as well go for a little below average while youre at it.
And its not all black and white, find the best package overall that gives you love.
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You were saying that most women dont have decent qualities ither than looks. But you dont address how many do have them. Go for the ones that do. You didn't assess that women can give you sex with a human. Thats more important than looks as long as shes not ugly. You didn't address women can give you love the most important quality of all go for that. Go for a below average looking girl with decent overall qualities that are not like most girls and she has a big heart and gives you aex with a woman.
And theres always fat chicks. Some fat chicks are decent looking for a fat chick and theyre usually better at all the other stuff anyway
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So yeah, I am a full package.
You certainly are full of it
Right consider market cap of gold. How much all gold is worth. Very unlikely would it become worth more than entire stock market but if it did it dont have too much more room to grow, maybe double
**What is sex? Ontologically? Spiritually? Humanly?**
If we don’t answer that first, moral rules float unmoored.
This follow-up essay attempts to bring the strands together: Scripture’s relative silence on explicit premarital sex prohibition, the unitive and procreative dimensions of sex, the science of bonding and happiness, insights from near-death experiences, and the wisdom of the Fathers — all through the lens of love.
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# Sex as Communion: Unitive, Procreative, and the Integrity of the Soul
A wise man once said, *“Sex with someone you don’t love is a lie. It’s saying with your body what you deny with your lips.”*
Whether or not Scripture gives a single verse that states, “All premarital sex is sin,” it unmistakably presents sex as spiritually consequential. When Paul writes, “He who is joined to a prostitute becomes one body with her” (1 Corinthians 6:16), he is not making a legal technicality. He is describing an ontological event.
Sex, biblically, is not friction. It is union.
And that changes everything.
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## 1. The Unitive Meaning: Bodies as Language
The Christian tradition — especially articulated in modern times by Pope John Paul II — speaks of the “unitive” meaning of sex. The claim is simple but profound:
The body speaks.
Sexual union enacts total self-gift. It is an embodied “I give myself to you.” It is a covenantal gesture, even if no vows are spoken.
This isn’t merely theological poetry. Biology reinforces it:
* Oxytocin and vasopressin strengthen attachment.
* Sexual vulnerability lowers psychological defenses.
* Pair-bonding has evolutionary depth.
* Emotional imprinting often follows sexual intimacy.
Even secular psychology acknowledges that sex tends to create bonding, not neutrality.
From a happiness science perspective, the strongest predictor of long-term flourishing is not pleasure but stable, loving attachment. Casual pleasure spikes dopamine; committed love stabilizes meaning. The research is clear: deep relationships sustain well-being more reliably than transient intensity.
So when Scripture treats sex as spiritually weighty, it aligns with human experience.
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## 2. The Procreative Meaning: Openness to Life
The second dimension is procreative. The design of male and female bodies is not arbitrary. The biological architecture of sex is ordered toward new life, even if conception does not always occur and even if it isnt intended.
But procreation is not merely biological output. It reflects something metaphysical: love that overflows becomes creative. In Christian theology, God’s love is life-giving. Human sexuality mirrors that pattern.
Sex closed to communion and closed to life begins to lose its ontological fullness.
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## 3. Scripture’s Silence — and Its Weight
It is correct: there is no verse that mechanically states, “All premarital sex is sin.” Paul’s counsel in 1 Corinthians 7 is pastoral — marriage as remedy, celibacy as gift.
Yet Scripture consistently frames sex within covenantal faithfulness.
Why?
Because sex creates a form of unity that calls for protection.
When Paul says marriage is better than “burning,” he isn’t trivializing desire. He is recognizing that uncontained desire destabilizes the soul. Marriage is not a bureaucratic requirement; it is a stabilizing container for a powerful force.
The biblical ethic is less about rule enforcement and more about guarding communion.
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## 4. The Fathers and the Desert Vision
The early Fathers did not treat sex as dirty — but as powerful.
For the Desert Fathers, the problem was not the body but disordered desire. They understood that eros is energy. Untethered, it fragments the heart. Ordered toward covenant and self-gift, it sanctifies.
Marriage, in their vision, was not a concession to weakness but a school of self-transcendence.
Centuries later, Thomas Merton would write about the false self versus the true self. Casual sexuality often feeds the false self — the ego seeking affirmation or escape. Covenantal love, by contrast, exposes and purifies the ego.
Sex, then, becomes either a reinforcement of illusion or a pathway to real communion.
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## 5. Near-Death Experiences and Love as Ultimate Reality
Near-death experiencers consistently report something striking: the ultimate measure of life is love.
They describe:
* Interconnectedness
* Radiant unity
* A sense that selfishness shrinks the soul
* A review of how one loved
If love is ontologically fundamental — as both Christian mysticism and many NDE accounts suggest — then sexual ethics cannot be reduced to mere rule compliance.
The question becomes:
Does this act increase communion?
Does it deepen truthful self-gift?
Does it honor the image of God in the other?
Sex divorced from covenant can sometimes approximate love — but it can also mimic communion without fully embodying it.
And that’s where the “lie” language emerges. Not necessarily because there is no affection, but because the body may be enacting permanence without permanence being secured.
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The body has a meaning. The question is whether we discover it or redefine it.
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## 7. The Happiness Dimension
Modern research shows:
* Stable marriages correlate with higher long-term life satisfaction.
* Secure attachment predicts emotional resilience.
* Sexual exclusivity often strengthens trust and psychological safety.
Pleasure alone does not equal flourishing.
Happiness science increasingly echoes what biblical wisdom intuited: enduring communion matters more than episodic intensity.
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## 8. A Careful Conclusion
This is not a simplistic condemnation of all sex outside formal marriage. Scripture’s relative silence invites humility.
But neither is it a dismissal of two thousand years of reflection.
Sex is:
* Unitive
* Potentially procreative
* Psychologically bonding
* Spiritually formative
It is not neutral.
The deeper moral question is not merely, “Is this technically forbidden?” but:
Does this relationship embody the kind of communion that mirrors divine love?
If sex is designed for communion — body and soul — then its fullest meaning likely requires a structure strong enough to hold that weight.
And that structure, historically, has been covenant.
Not because authority demands it.
But because love, to be whole, needs protection.
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love as ontological coherence. Sexual ethics is not peripheral to that vision — it’s central.
Do you honestly think Iran will keep fighting a war they cant win? The usa doesnt want to keep fighting so the only way the war continues is for Iran to keep fighting. Your theory on this point might be true if they simply turn into a nation of terrorists cause i couldnt see a sane country trying to fight a war that no one wants and that only ovliterates their country. Is that your theory that a country of terrorists is rising?
^&^^
Thats super naive and appears ignorant. Iran keeps putting their reactors at near weopons grade. They refuse to allow unfettered inspectors. The bottom line of Iran is they want a nuke and they are making it obvious. The usa isnt stopping them from peaceful use of nuclear energy or bullying them. How am I wrong? Sometimes bad people have bad intentions and can't be reasoned with. Sometimes force is necessary... to say otherwise is truly idiotic
I asked you what your alternative strategy was to stop Iran from getting a nuke and you didn't answer. You mostly just criticized my approach and then stated theres was to stop them that diesnt involve invasion or regime change attempts but you didn't describe how you'd effectively do that
Its easy to criticize its tough to come up with solutions. So either put up or shut up
North Korea isnt a religious nut nor do they want a suicide mission by being provocative or aggressive. You can be sure if north Korea had the means, they'd be way more aggressive.
The world is a fucked up place, sometimes force is nevessary
Iran was only contained by inspectors for ten years with that deal. Theres no reason they shouldn't allow insoectirs, period. Them saying its about sovereignty is a smoke screen. They've promised to wipe Israel off the map and they are religious nuts so they'd do it. Why allow them to get super strong eciniminlcallly by keeping the nuke deal? Obamas flaw wa a thinking everyone is rational or can be reasoned with for desired outcome.
So your bottom line is that its acceptable for Iran to have nukes? If not, then how would you prevent that if not by force?
So your bottom line is that its acceptable for Iran to have nukes? If not, then how would you prevent that if not by force?
Well if trump does seek regime change its only because the regime refuses to be rational and submit to a system tjat requires no hint of nukes. If a regime says they want nukes no matter what with the genocidal tendencies of Iran then why not try to stop them? Even if they achieve no regime change they gone get their shit so fucked up either way such that they'll be set back all the more
Haven't you accepted by now that we Christians believe in magical thinking? Im just playin on the label here but thats what it basically amounts to. You can either agree or disagree but either way it is what it is
All Iran has to do is stop enriching uranium to the point to could quickly create nukes and allow full access to USA inspectors. Iran doesntbl have to perish either way like you say.... the real choice is either comply or they'll get their shit fucked up. Its not even comply or perish but if it was, they should comply. The only reason they won't comply is because theyre an evil country with evil intentions
Id say taking out their nuke capability is fair as is their leader. Its do or die for everyone else too who dont want to be subject to the whims of an evil religion. Iran doesnt have to fight back as itd be a suicide mission if they did.
Seeking overall regime change isnt exactly a good idea though. The strong consensus of military leaders is that that'd be too difficult
Most of what you are arguing is a debate tactic and logical fallacy known as whataboutism. Instead of defending the tax cuts or admitting they are bad you deflect onto other issues. Do you or do you not support the republican predidents signing their tax cuts in the last 40 years? Why or why not?
You seem like someone who would criticize stimulous money so how would you justify borrowing money from our kids and grandkids for stimulus tax cuts?
Plus obama just extended the bush ran cuts and did a payroll cut during the great recession. Clinton's main focus was confirmed small business tax cuts. So the nature and scope of these were different than the republicans cuts and even if they were wrong it diesnt suddenly make tje republicans right to do what they did.
And. Congress joining in on the cuts doesnt justify the president from signing and promoting it.
It sometimes seems like its not so much defended but nihilism. The person thinks spending shouldn't be so high so fuck it.
Some say its a dem spending problem at heart but aside from how republicans never even propose as a party big spending cuts its still misguided. If your wife has a spending problem do you give her a credit card? Of course not. Plus lile i said even when in power Republicans make no moves to stop her and often join in running up the credit card.
The tax cuts under reagan bush and trump were so much that they caused our debt levels to get out of control just based on the cuts. Our debt would be like half our economy instead of bigger than our economy like now and the trajectory would be doable, unlike now.
So does anyone actually defend these cuts? Its like liking stimulous money. We like it, but deep down we know its irresponsible.
Borrow trillions from our kids and grandkids? What could possibly go wrong?
Seeing that the writers of the gospels were clearly teaching the “return of Christ” would be in their generation and the Bible had nothing to do with me, American, or the 21st century.
We can assume the passages in question weren't literal but both most straightforward jesus and paul seemed to think the end was literally imminent.
