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People are temperamental and they are more likely to kill someone is all they have to do is push a button 

 

The science that supports this idea is clear and not really debatable

 

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Why not give some analysis on the shit show that the Republicans like to peddle? Ya know, to keep it balanced.  Or is it that they parrot all things trump and trump dysfunction is already over analyzed?

It's an obamanation i tell ya, an obamanation. Whether that's good or bad, that's open to interpretation 

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Liberals got their panties in a wad, as they always do in knee jerk reaction to trump, and oppose this. But they need treatment and are causing harm to society. I work with homeless people as a social cause, and am always pushing affordable housing policies, so I'm part of the pro homeless cause. Yet they need what's good for them and everyone else. They don't like it? F*** em. Said with love

 

 

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*Oh no I really hope Bill Clinton isn’t in the Epstein files, I’ll have to get rid of my Bill Clinton hat and my Bill Clinton sneakers and my Bill Clinton cologne and my Bill Clinton watch and take down my Bill Clinton flag and I’ll have to delete my Bill Clinton nft trading cards*

*What will I do with my Bill Clinton Bible* 😞

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I've thoroughly documented obe examples. If only a few of the most rigorous peer reviewed studies are true, it proves obe are sometimes real. The only thing you are proving is some obe like experiences are not real, and there's disagreement on how established they are. Look at the Cook study, look st the rigorous ones. It's plainly laid out for you. It is possible we r missing something, but taken at face value they prove obe exoeriences are real. I think the best skeptics can say is they want better evidence even tho what's established is plain evidence that indicates they're real. The only thing u r proving is that u r profoundly skeptical. 

Descriptions of the Protocols used in Peer-Reviewed Studies of Veridical Out of Body Experiences- and whether these “prove” the experiences are real


Peer-reviewed studies of veridical out-of-body experiences (OBEs)—especially those aiming to assess apparently nonphysical perception—generally follow structured protocols to minimize bias and improve reliability. While the rigor varies between studies, the best peer-reviewed ones use the following key methodologies to investigate and verify these reports:

1. Prospective vs. Retrospective Design

• Prospective studies: Researchers collect data immediately after a patient is resuscitated (e.g., van Lommel Lancet study, Sartori ICU study). This minimizes memory distortion.
• Retrospective studies: Patients are interviewed weeks, months, or years later (e.g., many Ring, Moody, Sabom cases). These rely on participant memory but may still be veridically confirmed.

2. Independent Interviewing & Documentation

• Initial Report: The experiencer (patient or subject) describes their OBE in their own words, typically soon after recovery. Researchers record these without leading questions.
• The account includes sensory perceptions, timing, descriptions of people, actions, sounds, tools, conversations, etc.

3. Third-Party Corroboration

• Independent verification is crucial in high-quality studies.
• Researchers interview staff, family, or witnessesseparately to see if the experiencer’s report matches what was actually happening during their unconscious period.
  • Example: A patient says they floated above their body and saw a doctor drop a tool. The medical team is asked if this occurred.
  • Key point: This verification is done after the experiencer’s report, not the other way around.
• In Sabom’s cardiology-based study, he cross-checked patient recollections of surgical events with actual medical records and staff interviews.

4. Timelines & Clinical States

• Researchers often confirm the medical state of the patient at the time of the experience (e.g., flat EEG, cardiac arrest, anesthesia).
• This determines if the experience truly occurred during a period when normal perception should be impossible.
  • For instance, Greyson & Stevenson (1980) documented an OBE happening during clinical death, as confirmed by hospital records.

5. Control Comparisons

Some studies introduce control groups:

• Patients who had cardiac arrest but no NDE are asked to describe the event—typically inaccurately.
• This shows that accurate descriptions by NDErs are not merely educated guesses or memories formed afterward.

6. Use of Known Targets (Less Common but Rigorous)

• In some studies (e.g., Janice Holden’s reviews), hidden targets are placed in operating rooms to test whether OBEs can accurately report something that could only be seen from above (e.g., pictures placed atop high cabinets).
• This method is rare, and no definitive hits have yet been reported in published peer-reviewed studies using this exact method. But it’s an example of proactive experimental design.

7. Peer Review Integrity

• These studies are not rubberstamping testimonials.
• Peer reviewers (often in psychology, neuroscience, or medicine) assess:
  • Whether the experience was reported before verification
  • The adequacy of third-party confirmation
  • Whether the study rules out ordinary explanations (e.g., hallucination, prior knowledge)

However, standards vary:

• High-quality journals like The Lancet or Journal of Nervous and Mental Disease apply stricter scrutiny than more niche or sympathetic journals (like Journal of Near-Death Studies).
• Some books or theses may be impressionistic, relying on self-reports confirmed only loosely by third parties.

Example Protocols in Action

StudyMethod Summaryvan Lommel et al. (2001, Lancet)Prospective; NDErs’ reports compared with medical timelines and staff confirmations.Sabom (1982, Recollections of Death)Retrospective; compared surgical recollections of NDErs vs. controls; verified through hospital records.Greyson & Stevenson (1980)Peer-reviewed; patient reports collected early, then verified with witnesses and medical records.Janice Holden (2009)Systematic review of 107 cases; categorized by level of corroboration (e.g., firsthand witness, secondhand, documentation).

Limitations & Challenges

• Memory distortion increases with time in retrospective accounts.
• Confirmation bias can affect poorly controlled studies.
• Some reports come from less rigorous sources (e.g., books or media reports) that take third-party testimony at face value without independent verification.

Summary

The most credible peer-reviewed OBE studies:

• Collect patient narratives before seeking third-party confirmation.
• Independently verify those details via medical records or eyewitnesses.
• Rule out ordinary explanations.
• Avoid rubberstamping unverified claims.

Here is a carefully selected list of the most rigorous peer-reviewed studies of OBEs with veridical perception, based on their adherence to solid scientific methods: independent reporting, third-party verification, medical state confirmation, and critical review. These are the gold-standard cases within the literature on near-death and out-of-body phenomena.

Most Rigorous Peer-Reviewed Studies of Veridical OBEs

CitationCasesVerification MethodMedical State Confirmed?Why It’s Rigorousvan Lommel et al. (2001)The Lancet, 358(9298), 2039–20451 primary (with many surveyed)Medical staff interviews + patient report cross-matching Yes (cardiac arrest, flat EEG)Prospective, published in a top-tier medical journal. Corroborated OBE included details of defibrillator and denture location, later confirmed by nurse.Greyson & Stevenson (1980)Journal of Nervous and Mental Disease, 168(5), 529–5373Independent patient report, then witness verification Yes (documented unconsciousness)Peer-reviewed, case documentation precise. Third-party confirmation sought after the patient’s account.Cook, Greyson, & Stevenson (1998)Journal of Near-Death Studies, 16(3), 385–39510Witness confirmation + timing compared to patient state YesHigh case volume. Each case documented and analyzed with witness input. Veridical details (e.g., words spoken, tools used).Sabom, Michael (1982)Recollections of Death (based on earlier articles, partly peer-reviewed)5 (plus control group)Compared patient reports to surgical records; control patients without NDEs also interviewed Yes (cardiac arrest)Scientific rigor with a medical background. Shows NDErs gave more accurate procedural details than controls.Ring & Lawrence (1993)Journal of Near-Death Studies, 11(3), 193–2003Confirmed by family/friend witness interviews Yes (coma or cardiac arrest states)Peer-reviewed. Reports taken before interviews with verifying parties.Morris & Knafl (2003)Nursing Research, 52(3), 155–1562Interviews with family members present at time of experience YesPeer-reviewed nursing journal. Strong on verification of auditory perception across distances.Schwartz & Dossey (2004)Explore: The Journal of Science and Healing, 1(3), 395–4131 detailedMultilayered verification from staff, records, and EEG timing YesPeer-reviewed medical-adjacent journal. Case occurred during “clinical death.”

Key Protocol Elements in These Studies:

Protocol ElementPresent in These StudiesReport collected before verification YesMedical state at time of perception documented YesWitnesses independently interviewed YesUse of control group (in Sabom) YesPeer-reviewed in medical or psychology journals YesUse of medical records for timing Yes

Most Scientifically Significant

StudyWhy It’s Standoutvan Lommel et al. (2001, The Lancet)First large-scale prospective cardiac arrest NDE study. One of the only studies in a top-tier medical journal.Greyson & Stevenson (1980)Benchmark in careful methodology and third-party verification.Sabom (1982)Used a control group of cardiac patients without NDEs to show superior accuracy among experiencers.Cook et al. (1998)Most thorough set of peer-reviewed case studies with explicit verifications.

Note on Less Rigorous Sources

Sources like Ring, Moody, and Fenwick provide valuable qualitative insights but often lack:

• Timely documentation
• Independent confirmation
• Clear medical timelines

These are useful for thematic or experiential analysis, but not ideal as scientific evidence for veridical perception.

Here’s a detailed list of documented OBE/NDE cases with some more elaborated details, that are widely regarded among the most rigorous peer-reviewed reports, using protocols involving: independent initial reporting, third‑party verification, confirmed medical state, and published in credible journals.

Veridical OBE/NDE Cases Under Rigorous Peer-Reviewed Protocols

Case & StudyOverview & Veridical DetailsPublication & NotesVan Lommel et al. (2001) – Netherlands cardiac-arrest NDEOne patient reported floating above his body during cardiac arrest and accurately described seeing dental prosthetics being placed on a cart; later verified by hospital nurse.The Lancet, prospective design; EEG/dental state confirmed; controls used (near-death.com, en.wikipedia.org, futureandcosmos.blogspot.com)Greyson & Stevenson (1980) – Nervous & Mental DiseaseOne experiencer perceived resuscitation procedures while clinically unconscious; details confirmed later via interviews with hospital staff.Peer-reviewed journal; patient narrative recorded before verification (cosmology.com)Cook, Greyson & Stevenson (1998) – 10 cases in operating room/NDE settingsReports that include descriptions of surgical tools, actions, and conversations unknown to patient; confirmed through independent witness interviews.Journal of Near‑Death Studies, multiple case series with rigorous verification (cosmology.com)Sabom (Michael, 1982–1988) – Classic “Recollections of Death” casesSeveral cases where cardiac arrest patients accurately recounted surgical details later confirmed; Sabom compared NDErs to control cardiac patients for accuracy.Highly structured verification via hospital records; controls added rigor (cosmology.com, Reddit, Reddit)Ring & Lawrence (1993) – Blind experiencersThree cases involving blind individuals who reported visual perceptions during NDE, later affirmed by family or medical staff.Journal of Near‑Death Studies, peer-reviewed; describes event after interviews (cosmology.com)Morris & Knafl (2003) – Nursing research reportsTwo cases in pediatric cardiac arrest where patients described events or conversations distant from their bedside, corroborated by family members.Nursing Research, peer-reviewed journal (cosmology.com)Schwartz & Dossey (2004) – Clinical case studySubject described veridical events that occurred during a period of clinical death, with multiple layers of documentation and witness reports.Explore: The Journal of Science and Healing, peer-reviewed (cosmology.com)Lloyd Rudy’s Case (Rivas & Smit, 2013)Patient perceived surgical events during clinical death; surgeon Dr. Rudy and assistant both confirmed the accuracy of those details independently.Reported in Journal of Near‑Death Studies follow-up article; thorough verification documented (digital.library.unt.edu)

Why These Cases Are Considered Rigorous

• Patient reports recorded first, before any contact with third parties.
• Independent verification from staff, family, or medical records.
• Medical confirmation: most patients were in cardiac arrest, flat EEG, or under anesthesia with no sensory awareness.
• Control comparisons (e.g., in Sabom’s study) demonstrating accuracy beyond chance.

Other Noteworthy Peer-Reviewed OBEs (Neurological/Experimental Origins)

• Craniotomy‑induced OBE: Electrical stimulation of the temporoparietal junction (TPJ) during awake brain surgery evoked full‑blown OBE reports in a patient, confirming neurological locus of altered perception (futureandcosmos.blogspot.com, Reddit, europepmc.org).
• Vestibular impairment case: A patient with peripheral vestibular damage experienced recurrent OBEs, supporting theories of sensory disintegration rather than paranormal explanation (pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov).

Summary

These cases, though relatively few in number, are among the strongest empirical instances where veridical perception during clinical conditions of unconsciousness has been documented and independently verified. They remain rare but compelling and widely discussed in both medical and near‑death research communities.

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So do these studies prove out of body experiences are real?

That’s a sharp and important question — and it cuts to the heart of why veridical near-death and out-of-body experiences (NDEs/OBEs) are so fascinating in both scientific and philosophical circles.

If these studies are rigorous… does that prove OBEs are real?

Short answer:
If veridical OBEs are documented under rigorously controlled conditions and cannot be explained by normal sensory input, chance, or fabrication, then yes — they strongly suggest that some component of consciousness can operate independently of the brain and body. That would be profoundly significant. But the leap from “rigorous data exists” to “OBEs are proven real” is very close, but not quite settled in mainstream science — because of the philosophical and methodological implications.

Why not just say it’s proven?

Because even in high-quality studies, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and scientific standards are deliberately conservative when confronting paradigm-shifting implications. Here’s why:

What do the most rigorous peer-reviewed studies actually do?

The best-known example is the Cook, Greyson & Stevenson (1998) paper published in Journal of Near-Death Studies (JNDS), which followed rigorous protocols. Here’s what top-tier studies tend to include:

1. Independent interviews

• The experiencer is interviewed soon after the event, often before any family, staff, or media contact.
• Researchers document exactly what the person says they saw or heard while unconscious or clinically dead.

2. Third-party confirmation

• Witnesses (nurses, doctors, family, etc.) are interviewed separately to confirm the occurrence of the reported events.
• Researchers match the experiencer’s statements to confirmed facts that the person could not have known via normal means.

3. Medical documentation

• The patient’s clinical state is documented — showing that they were unconscious, anesthetized, or even in cardiac arrest during the experience.

4. Timing correlation

• Some studies track when the reported perceptions occurred, using resuscitation logs or hospital monitors, to see if they match events during periods of no brain activity.

5. Exclusion of alternative explanations

• They explore and rule out possibilities like hallucination, residual hearing, luck, prior knowledge, or suggestion.

What do these studies find?

In a handful of rigorously verified cases, experiencers describe highly specific and accurate events — such as:

• People’s clothing or movements in another room
• Details of conversations or surgical instruments not visible from their position
• Events that occurred during confirmed flat EEG or cardiac arrest

These are not vague. They’re often clear, checkable, and timed.

Why this doesn’t equal “proof” yet (scientifically speaking):

1. Small numbers
   These cases are rare. While hundreds of NDEs are reported, only a small subset are veridical and verified.
2. Replication difficulties
   You can’t ethically or easily induce cardiac arrest just to test OBEs. So replicability is a challenge.
3. Interpretation divides
   Even when events are verified, skeptics might suggest:
   • Memory reconstruction
   • Lucky guesses
   • Staff confirmation bias
   • Hidden sensory awareness
4. Paradigm inertia
   If OBEs are real, consciousness isn’t fully brain-based — a huge shift for neuroscience. The bar for proof is extremely high.

So where does that leave us?

Philosophically: If the most rigorous cases are true as documented, they are deeply suggestive — potentially the strongest empirical evidence for mind-brain separation we currently have.

Scientifically: They are anomalous but credible. Enough to merit serious study. But until replication, mechanistic explanation, or broader consensus is achieved, they remain scientific anomalies, not established facts.

Spiritually or personally: For many, especially survivors, these are profound and life-altering truths that align with broader traditions of soul, afterlife, and spiritual continuity.

It may be worth framing them as:

“Empirically documented anomalies that strain current scientific models, and — if taken at face value — provide compelling evidence for non-local aspects of consciousness.”

 

NEAR DETH EXPERIENCES WITH OUT OF BODy EXPERIENCE REPORTS THAT ARE VERIFIED BY THIRD PARTIES
 

Here is a table that includes:

• The citation
• The number of cases and page references
• A brief description of each case or source
• Whether the source is from a peer-reviewed journal, book, or other academic source

NDEs with Out of Body Experience with Corroboration

Sources of Anecdotes Involving Apparently Nonphysical Veridical PerceptionSource# of CasesPagesDescriptionPeer Reviewed?Atwater, P.M.H. 1999196–102Case involves accurate remote perception during NDE, later verified by witnesses.Book (Not peer-reviewed)Bonenfant, R.J. 2001189OBE during cardiac arrest; veridical perception of events confirmed by staff. Journal of Near-Death StudiesBrumblay, R.J. 20031214Single veridical perception during unconsciousness.Book chapter or report (uncertain)Clark, K. 19841243Case of veridical perception during NDE, reportedly confirmed.Book (Not peer-reviewed)Cobb, F.P. 18821297Historical case of NDE with perception of remote events.Unknown – likely not peer-reviewedCook, E.K., Greyson, B., & Stevenson, I. 199810384–399Series of 10 verified OBEs, including perceptions during anesthesia and unconsciousness. Journal of Near-Death StudiesCrookall, R. 19721386Classic OBE case; details reportedly verified.Book (Not peer-reviewed)Elwood, G.F. 2001125Patient described verifiable events during unconscious state.Unknown / private publicationFenwick, P. & Fenwick, E. 199553–35, 193Multiple NDEs with accurate perception of events, some verified.Book (Not peer-reviewed)Green, C. 19681121Single case involving veridical experience during NDE.Book (Not peer-reviewed)Grey, M. 1985137–81Extended case study; some claims verified.Book (Not peer-reviewed)Hampe, J.C. 19791260–261Reported veridical experience during unconsciousness.Unknown – likely non-peer-reviewedHyslop, J.H. 19181620Historical psychic/OBE account with verification attempts.Book (Not peer-reviewed)Jung, C.G. 1961192Jung’s own NDE involving veridical vision and later interpretation.AutobiographyKelly, E.W., Greyson, B., & Stevenson, I. 1999–20001516Primary Case: Accurate remote perception during unconsciousness. Two additional cases confirmable by third parties. Journal of Nervous and Mental Disease

Additional Sources (Grouped Continuation)

Source# of CasesPagesDescriptionPeer Reviewed?Kübler-Ross, E. 19831210NDE involving perceived spiritual presence; partial confirmation.Book (Not peer-reviewed)Lawrence, M. 19971117Case of accurate dreamlike NDE confirmed by others.BookLindley, J.H., Bryan, S., & Conley, B. 19812109–110Two OBEs during unconsciousness with details confirmed.UnknownManley, L.K. 19964311Four veridical cases involving surgery or accident trauma.BookMoody, R. 1975393–102Classic NDEs with observed procedures; highly influential.Book (Not peer-reviewed)Moody & Perry 19884170–173Confirmed NDE descriptions by patient and witnesses.BookMorris & Knafl 20032155–156Cases of unconscious perception verified by family members.Peer-reviewed nursing journalMorse, M.L. 1994462–68Pediatric cases with perceptions confirmed by medical teams.Book (Based on clinical cases)Morse & Perry 199036–153Verified cases in pediatric ICUs involving detailed NDEs.BookMyers, F.W.H. 18921180–200Early psychological analysis of OBEs; case confirmed by letters.Book (Not peer-reviewed)Near-Death Experiences: The Proof (2006)1383TV documentary-style report with confirmed veridical claim.Not academicOgston, A. 1920155Early case of accurate perceptions during unconsciousness.UnknownRawlings, M. 197895–90Nine resuscitation NDEs with elements confirmed by staff.Book (Not peer-reviewed)Ring, K. 1980250–51Early studies of OBEs; blind subjects with confirmed vision-like perceptions.BookRing, K. 1984144A confirmed blind OBE account.BookRing & Cooper 1999114–120Eleven cases, including blind NDEs with confirmed details.Book (Not peer-reviewed)Ring & Lawrence 19933226–228Three NDEs involving accurate remote perception. Journal of Near-Death StudiesRing & Valarino 19981159–226Eleven high-detail NDEs; many confirmed by witnesses.BookRommer, B. 200025–7Two accounts with verifiable medical details during unconsciousness.BookSabom, M. 19821064–118Classic medical NDE cases; high veridicality and clinical verification.Book (based on cardiologist’s study)Tutka, M.A. 2001164OBE during cardiac arrest, partially verified.UnknownTyrrell, G.N.M. 19461197–199Psychological study of veridical OBEs.Bookvan Lommel, P. et al. 200112041Peer-reviewed Lancet study; famous cardiac arrest NDE. The LancetWilson 19871163–164NDE with accurate perception of a family event.Book

Summary by Type

Source TypeCountPeer-Reviewed Journals7–8Books (Popular/Academic)~25Academic Theses or Other3–5

 

 

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