He died btw one hour before it was time to pass the SAVE act and he was badly needed. So the left strikes again. Worse the strike against America to pass the save act which prevents foreigners from voting in American elections
He died btw one hour before it was time to pass the SAVE act and he was badly needed. So the left strikes again. Worse the strike against America to pass the save act which prevents foreigners from voting in American elections
A compilation of his most gangsta moments
https://youtu.be/e1FlrpGUlOw?is=jc6W2KZVbftGsWvO
Lindsay Graham helped save America. It's still not completely saved because the save act was not passed, but we will carry his torch.
Always remember that Lindsay Graham despite his short comings of not being a psycophant to our avatar that we put in place., was objectively the most gangster senator https://youtu.be/8kBHZf9nDck?is=rBr1t_YxdhjNvi2G
Doge was so incompetent and dysfunctional of an organization that it ended up costing taxpayers more than it saved.
If that's the case it's only because they got pushback. They would propose cuts to wasteful spending like for condoms to Afghanistan and would have Democrats chinping out
Nothing wrong with defending American interests and the reason we elected trump is because Obama and Bush were both pro corporation and actually did support bail outs
They slashed waste in those areas which makes them more sustainable. Kinda evil of you to think those services should be unsustainable and not be there for the long term to help people
Stacey Plaskett literally was friends with epstein and getting directions from him while congress was in session. She also had pictures of her husband nude with children and herself in the photo and democrats protected her from censure. You can't expect Republicans to actually punish trump for having a connection to epstein because they ran in similar circles but were overt enemies.
Let's say he was a rapist though, hell even if he were a serial killer. It still wouldn't be worth destroying the country by not going along with his agenda. Had he lost elections would never happen again, not close ones anyway. Opposing somebody with good policy and supporting the modern equivalent of Hitler(the left) is just a terrible ideal
I nominate
Mikal- he organized everything. A lot of people contributed but from my vantage point and though I am an outsider to that circle he appeared to be the glue that brought it together
Airmax- He seems to be utilizing his talents correctly
Savant- for taking the intangible and making it tangible.
I haven't participated enough anywhere else to be worthy of voting.
The debates are structured this way, where only the two involved can post
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We do, I advise you to looked at Mises.org which advocates for a conservative economic policy that would virtually eliminate poverty
It's very hard to put in the effort for this anymore. Particularly if the topic sucks. If you need somebody to even it out when it starts than add me.
I said nothing about that Goddess that I would see as a negative thing
At this point, though, the repression of my own feelings re: my identity as a person was so ingrained that it took another decade for me to even be capable of asking the question of why I was never comfortable with myself,
That question is one most of us face and struggle with
Particularly intelligent people who are introspective. Transgenderism have a simple all encompassing answer but maybe the answer was that you need to choose an identity and one isn't inherent to you. Is gender a social construct or something deep in our brain ? In our DNA but some how not reflected biologically always?
given the inherently competitive nature of a debate being less about truth-seeking and more about winning.
How would both sides digging as deep as possible due to the competitive spirit not unleash enough facts to help illuminate the truth?
I have changed my mind on a lot of things through the level of research it takes to prove a claim.
How are any of the positions I mentioned not related to leftism?
You asked me what beliefs changed from when I was a leftist and I told you a handful.
My ideology was essentially the government tightening its fist for the improvement of society. I have seen them tighten their fist and produce the opposite results to what I wanted to see. This made me realize that the reasonable ideals the left fed to me was essentially just a way to get a foot in the door for more absurd shit. It's like the transgender issue. Yes anyone in the 90s with sense supported it, however after society widely accepted transgender people and transitioning it started getting switched up so that parents in California are getting arrested if they don't cut off their gay kids dick. Or we started seeing vulnerable adult populations told they have gender dysphoria to explain symptoms that are probably better explained through other phenomenon.
I saw a website that basically listed typical teenage beliefs "do you feel wrong in your body, like you don't quite belong etcm" and connected those symptoms to gender dysphoria and encourage vulnerable people the solution to their problems was self mutilation.
With euthanasia which I supported I saw a similar thing happen where it went from being for those on their death bed to being suggested for somebody with chronic back pain who is also fighting off depression.
Every time you see liberalism succeed you will see people become conservatives because they will see how reasonable ideals got used as a foot in the door for something sick and disgusting
You seem to be willing to put in the time to explore this topic. I would certainly appreciate the ability to dive into your links and read them more carefully. How about we debate something here that would cover these topics?
Also I like to set the record straight before you do so. I have never said it was unethical to transition. It isn't the person transitioning that is the problem. The doctors are being unethical as is society. As are these websites that come up presenting a solution to an unstable sense of identity by brainwashing an individual into thinking this unstable sense of identity comes from having gender dysphoria and not just a normal thing in introspective people that doesn't resolve until they decide who they are and stop over analyzing themselves. They can as easily resolve this feeling by identifying as literally anything else.
So no the person transitioning is not being unethical. They are victims being taken advantage of, unless it's the sexual perversion reason in which case they and society has done nothing wrong.
ll ignore the backhanded comments that I'm delusional for thinking/feeling the way I am that have come up over the course of our conversation for the purposes of this comment.
I'm being honest and it may be difficult to hear these things, particularly since the transgender community has succeeded when churches have failed.
You are around a community who is non judgemental of you and who accepts you no matter what and who is affirming which feels good. A whole community of yes men so long as you believe what they do.
Had a church got ahold of you first and been non judgemental and loving and accepting but also not being affirming, than perhaps things would be different. Maybe you would love the body God gave you and not question his decision to live the experience of a male
It's not too late though. It never is. You can go to a church now and find one (not a liberal one who accepts sin). One that will show you love and acceptance and welcome you.
Maybe your journey involves detransitioning or maybe it is Not worth it and your journey involves staying as a MTF transgender and helping Jesus reach that community
Anyway what do you say?
Do you want to debate this? You lost your last debate to me but since you are more informed here than me than perhaps you can get your revenge?
Gender affirming care is kinda a crazy concept in itself. A psychologist shouldn't be affirming a delusion. They should be helping the person.
Hell they shouldn't even affirm positive things. Those fields need to be completely science based and above politics at all
I haven't insulted Alyssa outside of a Mafia game where I was scum and had some incentive for making her think less rationally than she should.
This is hilarious given that the typical sentiment from the anti trans crowd is that they "can always tell".
I don't think anyone thinks they can tell the difference pre and post on by looking at somebody's face.
Is this the IKEA effect you're talking about? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IKEA_effect#) If so, not only am I seeing no relevance to the discussion at hand, but especially not seeing anything that would justify an increased suicide risk in transgender individuals post-surgery.
The Ikea effect was to show lack of regret post surgery. A different premise was used for the increased suicide rate post transition.
These studies also show that the primary limiting factor to this happiness (as well was the reason for higher rates of mental health challenges/suicide) is the stigmatization/discrimination of transgender individuals, and that receiving GAC mitigates these risks.
How would cutting off your dick make people discriminate less. That's very silly. Can you explain how they came to that conclusion?
Interestingly enough, there's also pretty clear evidence that suicidal ideation is lower among transgender individuals that undergo surgery
This study below seems to show the opposite, that suicide increases post surgery.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10027312/
That's...not what I'm talking about. Chasers/people who fetishize transgender individuals are people who are sexually attracted to the idea of transgender individuals
I know the chasers comment was in response to what I was saying that you misunderstood. I was clarifying my point since it wasn't clear enough to start with.
I'm a little concerned that you're starting to patronize me...
No, I just have been working a very long time at models that would take an excruciating amount of time to explain, and I don't have time to explain them. Just like you have specialized knowledge about things that would take you too long to explain to me in this format.
Additionally, I actively cannot recall meeting a trans individual who decided to transition because they were sexually aroused by the concept of having the opposite gentialia,
They may not even be consciously aware of it tbh.
If someone were to ask me if they should transition and the reason they gave me is because they're turned on by the thought of being the opposite gender, I'd actively discourage them from transitioning.
That's really the only healthy reason to even consider it doesn't help change the self hatred or the unstable sense of identity other transitioners experience but the ones attracted to the ideal are probably getting a satisfactions others don't get. I would imagine the fetishests are probably the least suicidal group.
If you don't think this is mainly a social contagion outside of the self hatred or pervert group how do you explain that transgenderism is so common among kids of hyper liberal parents, such as Jazz's parents?
Don't say salma is not the sexiest woman alive either, if she wasn't than she never would have been able to trick a billionaire into marrying her without a prenup
It's like when somebody marries a fat check. Yes they don't regret their decision but no they are not happer than in some alternative univers where they married salma Hayek
Wylted, I would encourage you to pause and critically think for a moment. We are talking about issues that are very specific to the transgender space. You are talking to a person who is transgender, has interacted with a wide variety of people who are also transgender, has talked to professionals who specialize in transgender issues, and has empirical studies to back up their points about said transgender-specific issues. I would ask that you don't just simply read what I'm saying and respond, but honestly consider that there might be merit to the things that I'm saying.
I obviously have a great deal to learn from you, and am aware of that.
That's been empirically shown to just not be reflective of reality. Virtually everyone who seeks gender affirming care is happier as a result, as shown by the studies of regret rates among those who have sought GAC.
I am aware of these studies, which is why I didn't challenge you on them. I am pointing out a distinction between regret and general overall happiness. The IKEA effect I am using to explain the lack of regret and the high suicide rates (that are highest post surgery) to help support my argument of lower levels of happiness. Regret levels are not necessarily correlated to happiness levels and I feel like the reason happiness levels prior to surgery and post surgery are not well researched, is because researchers in that space intuitively know what the results would be and want to avoid seeing them.
. That's the reason that transgender people suffer from higher rates of depression/suicide
I wouldn't be able to look at a transgender person and know whether they are pre op or post op. The reason for higher suicide rates post op cannot be from more discrimination as nobody can honestly tell the difference. The reason would have to do with something else and I believe I gave the most reasonable explanation.
I don't feel like the conversation is getting confusing. Is there anything I've said that I can clarify on?
I just worry I am tip toeing around highly specialized knowledge that would take so long to explain that you would lose interest in the conversation.
Do you have a source for these numbers?
They would be difficult to track down, they are from studies performed in the late 70s and I am comparing them to intuitive feel around today's numbers. The 1970s studies are probably not findable online and I was probably lucky to even run into them in the mid 90s when I was 14. I didn't take good notes back then but if I search hard enough I can likely find them.
It very much is a problem, but not in the context that we're talking about (chasers very much do exist, as well as the fetishization of transgender identity. Both are extremely harmful to trans people), so I'm fine leaving this aside.
There are those who get sexual impulses around being in another genders body. There is probably an overlapping mental disorder with those who sexually fantasize about being amputees. While the version of the disorder that cuts off limbs is harmful, I can't see how somebody that is sexually aroused by their own breast implants and choice of clothing is doing anything to harm themselves or society.
Even if the resurrection of Jesus was one of a kind than I see no reason not to accept what the only living eyewitness to the afterlife has to say on the matter, unless there is good reason to think he would lie about his experiences in the afterlife, and we don't as he is an exempleray witness.
Unfortunately he has no other examples to back his position. The resurrection of Jesus was one of a kind never to be repeated again.
You have zero. You only assume that consciousness ends at the point of death and you are pointing to research done by people studying biological processes. None of whom who can explain who the observer behind your thoughts is or how to locate that observer in your brain. Even without my example it's no less reasonable to conclude that the brain is harnessed and used by the observer than it is to assume the observer is some emergent property of biological processes. Your merely assuming the naturalist position with no good arguments as to why the naturalist position is correct
Humans have to earn that gift before they can come back from the dead with their brain fully intact.
It's unearned but this is not about returning but how consciousness stayed in tact the 3 days the researcher was biologically dead
None of those studies has researchers actually kill themselves so they can see first hand if consciousness ends. They are assuming it.
I can actually show you a study where the researchers dies and comes back and then talks about what happens to consciousness and that study is called the Bible and the reaearcher is my lord and Savior Jesus Christ
Citation?
So it seems infinitely more likely that if transgender people are being sold on anything, it's that they're wrong for seeking help.
There is a such a thing as cope. They aren't happier after getting surgery, if fact suicide rates go up significantly. And the reason is simple.
It comes from self hatred. I am a man but I hate myself so maybe if I become a woman it's a way to kill myself but they become a woman and they realize they are still there. They are the same as they always was and it gets them suicidal
I would urge these people to love themselves. If you were born a male, you might see the disadvantages or you may have some level of self hatred but I urge you to love yourself. There is nothing wrong with you how you were created and no amount of self mutilation is going to make you happy no matter how strong that Ikea effect (Google it) actually is.
The way out of that negative feedback loop, which is supported by the literature you provided, is to also seek external feedback,
Not the way you are describing. The external feedback would come from attempting new things or putting yourself out there not finding support groups and going into echo chambers. You are more likely to find a sport you enjoy playing by playing a lot of sports than by thinking about what you would like to play.
Linking this back to trans-related issues, the link between autism and gender dysphoria is there
Psychology has linked autism to an unstable sense of identity and this is irrespective of the transgender element but explains the high level. It is what it is. We can say the unstable sense of identity comes from introspection and then they get pointed to a solution and we all want our problems solved right?
Also the conversation is starting to conflate different areas so it may be best to disengage or to separate the conversation a bit because It could get confusing for both of us. The first point I made referred to a portion of transgenderism unrelated to our only tangentially related to transgenderism that comes from our is largely influenced by an unsteady sense of identity.
I'm the 90s transgenderism was driven by two factors.
Now number 2 is not really a problem. It probably legitimately makes the transgender individual happy and is relatively harmless. This is the 90s though. And made up maybe 20% of cases. The modern phenomenon is driven by the following
Number 1 had now went from being 80% is cases to maybe 40% . Number 2 went from 20% to 5% and this now leaves 55% of cases as gay kids and Tom boys being pressured into mutilating themselves by a form of love bombing.
So hopefully we can agree that one and two exist but that we are limiting the conversation to number 3.
I got lucky in my obsidian folder to run into that again, it isn't well organized
Here this has a citation for what I saw and I think this began my travel into the rabbit hole.
https://medium.com/mind-cafe/why-introspection-isnt-the-best-way-to-self-awareness-140b8492e6fe