Trial of Debbie

No idea what a discord handle is nor what a secret number is.

Are you ICE agents.

AI is either the future or not, and people who persistently post bible based religious nonsense are no more or less spammers in my opinion...And others would say that I am an atheist spammer.

So my suggestion would be, that if you want this site to flourish, then drop the Trumpian style tyranny and allow people to post information as they see fit.

"Trial of Debbie"...What some authoritarian bullshit....Boys that cant even spell Debby correctly.

I say let Debby stay. Good debate should imply the free market exchange if ideas, good or bad. Plus in this case, ai could sometimes help elevate mere mortal ideas int9 something more

No idea what a discord handle is

Your Discord username

nor what a secret number is.

Just come up with a secret code and send it to me privately so someone else can't pretend to be you.

If debby is such a huge problem, just limit number of her posts to 10 to 15 per day.

But I really dont see whats the big issue here. Its borderline spam at best, but its not like she is spamming 20 messages in a row.

It’s not some tyranny thing. She is bordering on spam. I am opposed to it. Others want it. So instead of being authoritative as you say. We are letting the community decide. If I wanted to be a dick, I’d just blanket decide and do what I wanted because I can. If you don’t like the rules then vote on the next survey in a few months that determine the tos. For now, we are putting it in the hands of the community since it’s a grey area.

Just out of interest, how old are you Mikal?

Rarely here from you in the forum, so I don't see why AI derived information irks you so much.

And people are free to choose what they do and don't read...No one is forced to read anything.

You're just creating a witch hunt that will arouse the emotions of persistent whingers and ideologues.

Nothing that Debby posts is in the slightest bit offensive or spamming.

How can spam be offensive for goodness sake.

Mikal doesn't even want to ban Debby so I don't know why you are arguing with him. WF and I were the ones pushing for a ban, and we decided to leave it up to a community vote.

No idea what a discord handle is nor what a secret number is.

Same here, a couple of times I have gone to a discord server link somebody is sending us to, either couldn't get in or couldn't figure out WTF once I was in. I'm pretty sure the whole discord thing is just for young people.

Are you ICE agents.

Good point, we never see their faces, why else would they be hiding their identity?

AI is either the future or not, and people who persistently post bible based religious nonsense are no more or less spammers in my opinion...And others would say that I am an atheist spammer.

Hmmm, very good point, I hadn't thought of it that way. I guess we are all spammers in some respect.

So my suggestion would be, that if you want this site to flourish, then drop the Trumpian style tyranny and allow people to post information as they see fit.

Good point, you have convinced me, she's still going aggravate the shit out of me, but I vote we let her continue to aggravate the shit out of us.

Instead of banning her, we should just imagine that she is super-hot and typing naked when she posts, that will make her posts much less aggravating.

"Trial of Debbie"...What some authoritarian bullshit....Boys that cant even spell Debby correctly.

ICE disinformation maybe.

quite literally I am the one saying not ban her. I’m not sure what you are trying to ask me

If you want to take the survey, just put your DebateCraft username where it asks for Discord handle, and message me a six letter code and put that code where it asks for one. Literally doesn't matter what it is, just come up with a code and don't tell anyone else.

How do you expect to increase member participation by banning Debby the most active member?

it is even more ridiculous to do that because she uses AI when hundreds of billions are spent developing AI for everyday use.

Why are you referring to yourself in third person?

I do that to maintain objectivity.

quite literally I am the one saying not ban her. I’m not sure what you are trying to ask me

This is why discussion with supposedly "free-minded" individuals today is so frustrating. Trump has driven them so crazy that they are eating their own with unnecessary "purity tests" and accusations of "maga"

You can't even agree with them without their self-flagellations whipping you in the face as collateral damage....

Trump wants Greenland because he was denied the Nobel Peace Prize. He took Venezuela even after Maria Corina Machado gave him her Nobel Peace Prize. Maybe NATO should come up with a better prize.

Trump wants Greenland because he was denied the Nobel Peace Prize. He took Venezuela even after Maria Corina Machado gave him her Nobel Peace Prize. Maybe NATO should come up with a better prize.

No, he took Venezuela before she gave him her prize.

Sorry I should have said, Trump kept Venezuela even after Maria Corina gave him her Nobel Peace Prize.

Just out of interest, how old are you Mikal?

Rarely here from you in the forum, so I don't see why AI derived information irks you so much.

You are misunderstanding.

The mods were scrutinized on DART for banning certain people or not banning certain people.

Mihkal runs the discord and has helped build the new website and is the one defending Debby.

You're being given the privilege that was not afforded to users in the past, which is the option to vote. This is honoring the principle of a democracy-focused community.

Debby contributes nothing outside from being a spamming shit-poster, but I usually just ignore them, so they don't bother me. I don't see the need for a ban, but if their comments violate site rules.

Perhaps temporary forum restrictions are in place preceding a permanent ban if the community cannot decide?

Same here, a couple of times I have gone to a discord server link somebody is sending us to, either couldn't get in or couldn't figure out WTF once I was in. I'm pretty sure the whole discord thing is just for young people.

No idea what a discord handle is nor what a secret number is.

I agree that this voting process was made too complicated. When it comes to discord, its not that difficult. Just make discord account. then use invite link to join server. Once in, click to accept rules to join server.

Now, discord handle is a bit more complicated. It is basically your discord ID, which you copy from your profile and paste.

Secret code is whatever you want it to be.

And yeah, discord usually isnt this complicated, but this specific voting process is.

discord is basically just make account, join some server, chat there.

I do a lot of debating on discord on modern day debate. Also sometimes on discord debate craft.

But I probably place tik tok on number 1 place when it comes to being easy to use. tik tok just has crazy ban system where basically all sensitive words are banned and if you write them, your comment or video gets removed automatically. People find way around that, but its sure as hell annoying. I dont mind people on tik tok being almost as crazy as I am. I am fine with crazy people.

So if you ever decide to get into discord, probably check modern day debate server. It has plenty of activity. the only disadvantage is that people are retarded.

@#5

Click on any of the forum categories, and what do I see?

Example,

https://www.debatecraft.com/forum/c/religion?page=1

Well for religion at least, I see that 'every. 'single. 'thread.

Has Debby as the last poster.

'Literally 'every 'thread in religion.

That 'really disincentivizes me to interact with any of those threads.

Further it quite possible shoves down the most recent person to engage genuinely.

Well, the forum "community" is limited to perhaps 6- 10 regular users and then there are a raft of others who show up from time to time.

But quite honestly I just don't see what the issue is all about. ..What is wrong with "AI" generated information as long as it is valid and neither profane nor makes unjust personal attacks.

And what is wrong with being an active and enthusiastic participant.

I just don't understand your beef Savant...And let's be honest how often do you contribute to daily discussions.

Yes, I have always thought that she is super-hot and types naked.

But must be careful what we think these days.

Big Bro is watching.

Yes, I have always thought that she is super-hot and types naked.

Yeah, why should she be treated different than everybody else, I think of everyone here as a super-hot woman typing naked.

Nice breasts man.

But must be careful what we think these days.

Big Bro is watching.

Big Bro is a super-hot lady who watches us naked.

That 'really disincentivizes me to interact with any of those threads.

If debby bothers you, ignore debby and interact with others. Its not difficult. Just because debby is last poster doesnt make her only poster.

I do ignore Debby, generally.

But I think they harm the site by their posts discouraging people to join or stay.

I think they post AI nonsense and AI slop in such degree and frequency that it is grounds for banishment.

I don't know how botting works, but I don't know that they 'aren't a bot, whether full or part time.

Having AI spam on DDO did not help 'that site.

Theoretically, how many bots would people be willing to 'let join this site?

But I think they harm the site by their posts discouraging people to join or stay.

A lot of sites have their own AI. I really dont see how debby discourages people to join or stay. You can just ignore debby, scroll past, its not difficult at all. I sometimes even appreciate debby's posts because some are smart or funny.

Theoretically, how many bots would people be willing to 'let join this site?

We are not dealing with that issue. We dont have 1000 bots spamming. We have debby, and if she is such a huge problem, I have said this before, limit number of posts she can make to 10 per day, and that should solve the issue of spam as well.

I agree site would be bad if we had 1000 debbys, but site would be bad if we had 1000 of almost any particular member, due to repetition. From what I see, there are few people using AI on this site, and its not an issue. AI is the future anyway.

While I can agree we shouldnt have AI become dominant on site, I also agree AI has its place, and isnt really something to be completely banned. AI input is often useful. Sort of like, you wouldnt want to live in country where there are million bears around your house, but you also dont want to go around eradicating all bears.

Let's look at another forum section,

https://www.debatecraft.com/forum/c/culture

Aaannd Debby is the last poster again, I literally 'can't scroll past them there.

All I see is Debby,

I wonder if anyone worth talking to has recently been active in any of those threads, but I can't readily tell who would have been.

Why even bother clicking on one.

We don't 'currently have 1000 bots spamming,

But the policies of the past and now, shape the future.

In an internet where AI are ever more about in it,

Sections of the internet with 'less AI, have an appeal to them.

They 'could be limited to 10 posts per day, but why limit 'ourselves to that?

. . .

AI 'does seem to be part of the future,

But I think it is 'humans that will give this site greater appeal and value.

It would depend how often the bears are annoying or eating people.

Bears have value to me when they are in the forest, not on my property.

I literally 'can't scroll past them there.

You can. Just read other people's comments. Its really not difficult.

All I see is Debby

And I can see other people's comments too when I open some specific topic.

Sections of the internet with 'less AI, have an appeal to them.

If that were true, chatgpt alone wouldnt have 300 million requests per day.

They 'could be limited to 10 posts per day, but why limit 'ourselves to that?

You said the problem is that debby is last poster everywhere. Limiting her posts to 10 per day will effectively solve that problem without need for ban.