Prime Number Surface Firewall?

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#1 •••

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My thanks to Shiva for his questions, that got me thinking and reminiscing about how or if prime numbers are significant to the operations of **occupied space** Universe or its parts, I had a new thought.


Since I realized that the outer most surface tensions of finite Universe, must be ultra-close packed set of events --think outer firewall of Universe-- to maintain/cohere the finite integrity/whole of Universe.


So I began to think about this ultra-close-packed firewall of 2D nodal or or complex 3D vertexial events, and considered how we have close-packing of prime numbers on the top line of the asymmetrical field --ergo outer positive geodesic-- of the space and time toroids, that, I associate with Gravity ( ).


Putting aside my minimal 18/0 space and time toroid for the moment, we find there exists 7 prime numbers before we get to the first break in the close-packed set of twin primes specifically.


5p...7p.......11p...13p.......17p..19p and the break { via 25 } at the 7th prime on that line, 23p. If I consider only the minimal 18/0 space and time toroid, then only a set of 5 primes. 5p...7p.......11p...13p.......17p


Of course primes become less and less on that top/outer surface of Universe field line if we continue only on a numerical sequential consideration of those Gravitational field line of events.


The ratio of primes to non-primes within the 18/0 toroid is


1..5p..7p...11p..13p...17p is 5:1. Ha! This interesting to me as this appears as close-packed set of prime numbers { five primes to one non-prime }. What if, outer surface tension of Universe is composed of...

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#2 •••

^^^

What if outer most surface tension of finite Universe is composed only of 18/0 { events } space and time tori? Huhh. If such is even possible, feasible or what is actually occuring , then a specific set of 5p:1 prime numbers obviously significantly associated with integrity of finite, occupied space Universe. I dunno.


Also, of significance in the above scenario, the finite Universe would appear closer to a true sphere i.e. more spherical if the clevages --caused by the outer curvature of space and time tori where the tangentally meet or overlappingly interfer/interact, are ultra-small tori, defining the most close-packed Universe surface horizon. Cool!


Who does'nt like the idea of more spherical Universe?

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#3 •••

^^^ Here is the 2D matrice pattern for the 3D, dual invaginated, space and time tori

..1.............5p..7p.........11p..13p..........17p.......top/outer most peak of pos. curvature

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0..................6..................12.....................18...internal to tube as reality

........3p..................9....................15................internal to tube as reality

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....2p.....4............8....10............14...16.........bottom/inner most peak of neg. curvature

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#4 •••
@ebuc

Below is a plain-language explanation of what the author seems to be saying, plus what it actually means in mathematical or physical terms.

(Short version: it’s not standard math or physics; it’s a personal speculative framework mixing prime numbers with a geometric model of the universe.)

What the passage is trying to say—translated into normal English

1. They're imagining the universe as a finite object with a boundary (“outer surface tension”).

The writer assumes the universe is finite and has an outer surface like the skin of a soap bubble.

(This is not standard cosmology; the universe may be finite but it does not have a boundary.)

They call this hypothetical boundary a “firewall of ultra-close-packed events.”

2. They then imagine this boundary filled with some kind of 2D or 3D grid (“toroids” or nodes).

A “toroid” is a donut-shaped surface.

They are talking about a system of space and time tori that pack together to form the universe’s structure.

This is again not standard physics — it sounds like a personal geometric model.

3. They connect prime numbers to this surface.

The author claims that on this outer boundary, prime numbers appear in a “close-packed” pattern.

They specifically mention:

  1. twin primes (5–7), (11–13), (17–19)…
  2. and the “first break” in the pattern around 23 (since 25 is composite)

They then focus on primes within numbers up to 17 (1, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17).

4. They think the ratio of primes to non-primes in this region (5:1) is meaningful.

They list:

1..5p..7p..11p..13p..17p is 5 primes and 1 non-prime (1)

They interpret this as a “close-packed prime structure.”

(Note: mathematically, 1 is not a prime or composite, and the claim of a 5:1 ratio has no recognized physical meaning.)

5. Then they speculate: what if the universe’s surface is built from these “18/0 tori”?

They imagine an “18/0” torus (unclear what that means), and say:

  1. if the outer surface is made of these,
  2. then primes would dominate that surface,
  3. and this might help the universe maintain its integrity
  4. and make the universe more spherical.

This is purely imaginative and has no basis in known cosmology.

6. Finally, they show a 2D matrix pattern that maps primes onto positions on a torus.

The diagram is:

..1.............5p..7p.........11p..13p..........17p.......top
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0..................6..................12.....................18...
........3p..................9....................15................
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....2p.....4............8....10............14...16.........bottom

They interpret the top row as “positive curvature” and the bottom row as “negative curvature,” corresponding to parts of a torus.

Again, this is a personal mapping, not a recognized model.

🧩 Putting it all together: what does it mean?

The author is proposing a private speculative theory:

  1. The universe has an outer boundary.
  2. That boundary consists of “space-time tori.”
  3. The numbers labeling positions on those tori include primes in a pattern.
  4. Because primes are “closely packed” in early integers (5, 7, 11, 13, 17), this prime pattern somehow stabilizes the boundary.
  5. This might make the universe more spherical.

Does this have scientific meaning?

Not in standard physics.

Nothing in cosmology, general relativity, topology, or number theory connects:

  1. prime numbers
  2. with
  3. geometric structure of the universe
  4. surface tension
  5. toroidal packing
  6. curvature of spacetime

The passage is creative but speculative metaphysics, not mathematical physics.

🧭 If you want, I can do any of these next:

✔ Rewrite it into clearer, coherent scientific language

✔ Analyze the math pattern and explain what's actually correct

✔ Provide a respectful critique

✔ Translate it into a diagram

✔ Help you respond to the author

What would you like?

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#5 •••

Even AI cant understand that.

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#6 •••



--> ^ Outside of the firewall surface tension of Universe exists the macro-infinite, truly non-occupied space ^ -------


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--> v Inside the firewall of surface tension is more occupied space via interfering space and time tori of higher cyclic frequencies than the 3-Fre. of the 18/0 set of tori in the above firewall. v --------------------


Are the close-packed tori in the firewall overlapping each other ergo, interfering with their closet neighbors? I would think so, as that is what I believe all space and time tori do. ...( ( )....).....

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#7 •••

It is a common experience to find geometrical and mathematical models difficult to understand, due to reasons that include the need for 

abstract thinking, challenges in translating real-world problems into mathematical terms (mathematization), and the development of geometric intuition

Key Reasons for Difficulty

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  2. Mathematization: A significant challenge is the process of "mathematization"—translating a real object, situation, or word problem into a set of mathematical equations or geometric diagrams. Students often struggle with this transfer of knowledge from reality to the model.
  3. Spatial Reasoning: Geometry, in particular, requires strong spatial and logical skills, asking individuals to picture shapes, space, and movement. Some individuals are more adept at algebraic thinking (numbers and equations), while others lean towards geometric interpretation, highlighting individual differences in cognitive strengths.
  4. Intuition Development: The ability to gain an intuitive understanding of mathematical concepts often takes time and practice. Without this intuition, it's easy to feel lost or unsure of how to begin solving a problem. This is a learned skill, not an innate one.
  5. Complexity: Real-world phenomena are often too complex to study in full detail, leading to the creation of "unrealistic" or idealized models that are simpler and more tractable but can be difficult to grasp because they don't perfectly mirror reality. 


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#8 •••

It is a common experience to find male and female models difficult to understand, due to reasons that include the need for 

abstract thinking, challenges in translating real-world problems into sexual terms (sexualization), and the development of physical excellence

Come to the Big Bang Club for the experience!. 


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#9 •••

For sure, intercoursal vibrations as the phallipsical cylinder fills the toroidian void or Volvo.


The ensuing influx of plasma is often referred to as the BIG BANG experience.


Attempts to reverse the process of plasma ejection risks it being sucked into an opposing toroidian blackhole.

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#10 •••

😂😂😂


Whole thread full of what the heck type posts.

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The US is a definitively secular nation, founded on complete separation of the State and religion. The Left Wing of US realise this but don't realise that pure freedom requires as low tax and free access to guns as possible. The Right Wing of US don't realise that secular pure freedom means the LGBTQ+ and abortion agendas both end up in line with US's liberty-first ethos.

It is left-wing to be pro-life. You are backing poor babies being born at the inconvenience of the already-born. Go figure.

#11 •••
@SergeantLynch

The term "BIG BANG experience" is not a standard scientific term for a specific event associated with an influx of plasma in the universe's evolution. In cosmology, the early universe was a hot, dense 

plasma(specifically, a quark-gluon plasma in the first microsecond, then an electron-proton plasma) that cooled and formed neutral atoms during a period called recombination, about 380,000 years after the Big Bang. 

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#12 •••

The 18/0 complex vertexial, dual invaginated, space and time torus, has a polyhedral counter part.


... ' In geometry, the tetrakis cuboctahedron is a convex polyhedron with 32 triangular faces, 48 edges, and 18 vertices. It is a dual of the truncated rhombic dodecahedron '... 


And its surface is all triangles. Cool! So this certifies what I already knew of the 18/0 torus. Triangles and hexagons.  


However, there is 17 angles { See Gauss and his 17-agon on his tombstone discovery } around each of the 18 complex vertices. 


9 * 17 = 153 lines-of-relationship { LoR } of the 18/0, four line, 2D matrice expression of the 3D,18/0 event, space and time torus.


So apparrently we take half of any set of vertices, divide that into total set of LoR, to arrive at the number of lines interfering at a vertex. Cool!


Tetrakis cuboctahedron - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrakis_cuboctahedron#:~:text=In%20geometry%2C%20the%20tetrakis%20cuboctahedron,48%20edges%2C%20and%2018%20vertices

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#13 •••
@SergeantLynch
For sure, intercoursal vibrations as the phallipsical cylinder fills the toroidian void or Volvo.


Ha ha Sarge


The ensuing influx of plasma is often referred to as the BIG BANG experience.


Lol dude.


Attempts to reverse the process of plasma ejection risks it being sucked into an opposing toroidian blackhole.


OMG, hula hula hoop dreams are upon us as our slinky toy slips into the canal of our dreams, looking for the final destination.


Home i say James, take me h-OM-e. The watery fluid place from which I popped out of and into an environment of airy oxygen and strange beings poking me, spanking me and prodding me to begin the breathing process



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#14 •••

The phrase "

18/0 complex vertexial, dual invaginated, space and time torus" does not correspond to a known, established concept in mathematics or physics. It appears to be a highly specific, possibly artistic, philosophical, or fictional description rather than a formal scientific or geometric term. 

Standard geometric terms related to the user's description include:

  1. Torus: A surface of revolution, often ring-shaped.
  2. Polyhedron: A three-dimensional figure with flat polygonal faces, straight edges, and sharp corners (vertices).
  3. Complex torus: A specific type of complex manifold in mathematics. 

However, the specific combination of terms like "18/0 complex vertexial," "dual invaginated," and "space and time torus" is not recognized in a formal context. Therefore, a definitive "polyhedral counterpart" for this description cannot be identified.


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#15 •••

I believe this string by ebuc is an attempt to explain SomeDebatePerson's "6-7 History."

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We tell God what to do and then blame Him for our errors.

- Dr. Pet Dragon of Sorbonne University

#16 •••
@fauxlaw

The phrase "6-7" comes from the rap song 

"Doot Doot (6 7)" by the artist Skrilla. The song became popular, particularly on platforms like TikTok, and is associated with the artist's stage name. 

  1. Song: "Doot Doot (6 7)" is the title of the track.
  2. Artist: The song is by Skrilla.
  3. Origin: The phrase and song gained viral popularity.
  4. Content: The song has a dark backstory that includes references to gang activity, demonic rituals, and street beefs, according to this YouTube video.
  5. Context: It's not an uncommon practice for artists to use their stage name or part of it in their song titles. In this case, the "6-7" is a key part of the song's identity. 


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#17 •••
@Debby, @ebuc

Yes indeed.

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#18 •••
@SergeantLynch

18 vertices = 153 lines-of-relationship { LoR }


153 / 9 { half of 18 } = 17 LoR's interfering/touching each of the 18 vertices. I say complex vertexial events, because,


V = 2D nodal event


Y = minimalt vertex ex four of these define the the minimal volumetric polyhedron of Universe, the 3D tetrahedron i..e 4 vertexes and 6 LoR's


X = complex vertex ergo vertexial event i.e. having four, or more, LoR's touching a vertexial event

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#19 •••

Is that how you measure an erection?

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#20 •••
@Debby

No, my friend. It is even older than Shakespeare, although he used it, too, when people knew what it was. Don't believe it was rap, then, nor now. You're rappers just used it, too, but certainly did not originate the idiom.

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We tell God what to do and then blame Him for our errors.

- Dr. Pet Dragon of Sorbonne University

#21 •••
@fauxlaw

Provide your evidence. Shakespeare’s audience were never 6-7.

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#22 •••
@Debby
Evidence


Sorry, I mixed my Richards. I said Shakespeare's Richard III, but it's in Richard II, Act II, scene ii, spoken by the Duke of York to several gathered, including the Queen:


"And meet me presently at Berkeley.

 I should to Plashy too,

 But time will not permit. All is uneven,

And everything is left at six and seven.

 And everything is left at six and seven."


He has just previously mentioned being in a state of confusion. however, the OED says the term dates from about 1350, having the same interpretation of risk and confusion.

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We tell God what to do and then blame Him for our errors.

- Dr. Pet Dragon of Sorbonne University

#23 •••

The tetrakis cubo-octahedron is composed of six hexagonal equatorial cross-sectional planes. Closet Euclidean polyhedron and can find most common to my space and time torus, however the cubo-octahedron has some aspects also very close. My torus appears to have 6, 6 and 6 kinds of torus, so that is a key differrence


My dual invaginated, space and time torus has 18 vertices, however, and not sure how many equaltorial bisectional planes. I count 9.? H,mm


the below tetrakis cubo-octahedrons 18 vertices come in to kinds. 12 and 6.



https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6f/Tetrakis_cuboctahedron_cat_toy.jpg


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#24 •••
@ebuc

The statement is incorrect. A regular 

octahedron has four axes, and cross-sections made perpendicular to these axes (through the center) are regular hexagons. The tetrakis hexahedron is a different polyhedron. 

The tetrakis hexahedron is a Catalan solid and the dual of the truncated octahedron. The truncated octahedron has 8 regular hexagonal faces and 6 square faces. 

The cuboctahedron, a different but related solid (specifically, the rectification of the cube and octahedron), can be described in the context of four hexagonal planes that bisect its interior. It is this related solid that has properties concerning hexagonal planes, not the tetrakis hexahedron itself in the manner described. 


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Hmmm, I wonder what the prime numbers 7,11, and 13 have to do with our Big Bang Club?

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#26 •••
@ebuc
My dual invaginated, space and time torus has 18 vertices, however, and not sure how many equaltorial bisectional planes. 


For some reason, that sentence sounds dirty to me.

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#27 •••
@FLRW

13 * 7 * 11 = 1001. See 1000 One Arabian Kights. Schezersade had post pones her death by husband telling him 1001 stories of arabian nights.

.1230:33.. 'Some calculation could only be done by the abacus or by positioning numbers. With almost no one other than the high priests able to do any calculation, there was not much chance that anyone would discover that the product of 7, 11, and 13 is 001, but "just in case," they developed the diverting myth of Scheherazade and her postponement of execution by her Thousand and One Nights.'...


https://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/s12/p2200.html#1230.00

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#28 •••

Kernel = seed and husk


Cosmic Kernel = graviton-darkEon and the dual invaginated, space and time horn torus


.......(>I | I<)(>I | I<)..... I | I = three nucleated triangles of the Minimal Pulse of Universe, the graviton-darkEon.


( ) = gravity is outer positive geodesic of surface tension )( = Dark Energy is inner negative geodesic of surface tension >< = invagination in and back out to outer and inner surface tension and creates the internal numerically triangulated sine-wave of physical reality ex


18/0.....3p...6...9...12...13p....15....18 etc >>> 9 being the free agent of change as it is not directly nuclear to any of three triangles of graviton-darkEon Cosmic Minimal Pulse


ex, 1...2p...4.. with internal 3p as nucleus to first triangle { expansion-contraction }


5p....7p...8 with internal 6 nucleus to mid-girth triangle { expansion-contraction }


10.....11p.......13p with internal 12 nucleus to ending triangle of expansion-contraction If torus is higher than minimal 18/0 3-Freequency, ex 24/0 then next numerical free agent after 9 is 18, if 4 Fre., then next free agent of change is 21.


The free agent also switches from low v to high ^ peak of sine-wave with each successive frequency addition.


..1...........5p..7p........11p....13p............17p....loops to meet itself in circle tho not as 17p/1

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0...............6..................12.......................18.loops to meet itself in a circle as 18/0

.......3p.................9.....................15..............loops to meet itself in circle tho not as 3p/15

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....2p...4............8...10..............14....16..........loops to meet itself, tho not as 2p/16




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#29 •••
@Sidewalker

The number of "equatorial sectional planes" for a "dual invaginated, space and time torus" with 18 vertices cannot be determined because these terms are not standard concepts in established mathematics or physics

The terms "dual invaginated" and "space and time torus" appear to relate to specific alternative or speculative theories, particularly those associated with figures like Nassim Haramein, which are not part of mainstream scientific consensus. In these contexts, the geometry described is usually a continuous, dynamic energy flow model (a "double torus dynamic") rather than a polyhedral structure with a fixed number of vertices and distinct "equatorial sectional planes" that can be counted in a simple geometric sense. 


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#30 •••

1} eternal, dynamic, finite { integrity/whole }, occupied space Universe @ is logical, common sense critical thinking conclusion, based on what humans observe can only observe a finite Universe. Simple


2} 18/0 dual invaginated { >< } ... Gravity outer surface (> reality time <) Dark Energy inner surface (> observed time <) Outer Surface Gravity approximated horn torus i.e. the inner surface of space and time torus may or may not always be tangent to each other ergo, a gap of truly non-occupied space may appear on some occasions, however,


......2a} we have to always that, even at the outer boundary/border of the finite Universe, these 18/0 vertexial event tori, I going to be overlaping/interfering fields of 18/0 tori in a linear fashion --creating a curvature over long enough distances-- and also interfefing with fields of other tori inside of this firewall set of 18/0 tori,


3} outer surface nodal set { six events } 1....5p..7p......11p..13p.....17 vertexial their via lines of relationship with the other 12 nodal events i.e. since their is at least 3 lines-of-relationship { think field } with every seemingly 2D nodal event, they are each in fact a 3D vertexial event.


....3a} AI Euclidean vertex....' Yes, a Euclidean vertex is typically associated with 3D space (like a corner of a cube or pyramid) where edges meet, as Euclidean geometry originally described our 3D world, but the concept extends to any n-dimensional Euclidean space, representing points where multiple dimensions converge, not just three '..


4} in this above scenario, we repeatedly interfering { linear } set of ultra-micro, dual invaginated, space and time approximated horn tori fields of outer most surface of Universe via Gravity { 6 vertexials events }, and below that the internal Physical reality { 4 reality events 18/0..3p...6...9...12 15 }, and below that the Dark Energy events { 2p..4.....8.10......14.16 }.


....4a} the internal reality set and the inner surface Dark Energy set of events will be interfering with space and time tori fields on left and right and below them. These other space and time tori may be the next size larger of space and time tori i.e. 24/0, then 30/0 then 36/0 etc i,.e space and time tori cyclic frequency in theory is base on six sets of events before the next potentiallly complete space and time tori.


5} a birds-eye-view of the 2D matrice of four lines, the each loop around as circle plane look like this .....( (( () )) )....


......5a} i.e. Gravity as presented { not as the full circle } is two peak of outer positive curvature (.............................), and,


......5b} the physical reality of observed time is the two internal ets of arcs { again whole circle not presented }, .....((............))......., and,


........5c} the Dark Energy is the inner most peak of neg. curvature as .....................................()................................ and again this is a birds-eye-view i.e. as if the torus is laying flat on counter like a doughut does,


6}


7}

8} inside/internal to a horn torus { internal reality not shown }

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