Why Rape is not as bad as DUI

->That's not a comprehensive measure though. 13% of rape victims attempt suicide. Suicide attempts have about a 10% success rate. So rape has about a 1.3% chance of killing someone. A single instance of drunk driving is probably safer than that, though if you are limiting this to DUI arrests, then it's a 1-2% chance of involving a death. But the majority of the time the person killed is the driver themselves. So just in terms of deaths caused to other people, rape is more harmful. There's also the trauma from being violated, which happens in 100% of rape cases but not 100% of DUI cases. Most of the time, the driver doesn't hit anyone. But just the fact that 13% of rape victims are so unhappy at some point that they try to kill themselves indicates that rape causes significant trauma.

1. The median between 1 and 2% is 1.5%; so lets assume that. 1.5% chance of death from DUI of any passenger in the vehicle (given how drinking is social, there is almost always at least 2 people in a group). The victim of DUI that was a sober driver (but the vehicle that the DUI convict crashed into) is another victim as are all of their passengers. DUI results in more death than rape victims who commit suicide.
2. DUI produces trauma for the people who deal with a drunk driver that's so aggressive with it that they get caught. I'm scared of being on the roads with a DUI driver in front of me.
3. If someone gets injured from a DUI crash, then I can see a massive chance that they would be suicidal too. I would be suicidal if I lost my leg.

Sidewalker wrote:

Oh, I do.

Real people get treated with scrutiny (as they should). I treat her the opposite of a sex object.

SkepticalOne wrote:

LOL, this seems very appropriate in this thread. Thanks for sharing.

Your claim makes sense if I was defending legalizing rape. I'm merely saying it's not as bad as DUI. Accusations of sexism and SkyWalker RageBait mean nothing anymore.

It stands to reason that a driver who learns how to drive well under any sort of impairment would drive even better once that impairment is removed. Simply asserting the contrary position is not an argument.

Or they just drive sober for 100% of their driving life. DUI should be illegal.

Raping enslaved women was also not an American tradition.

It was. Tradition doesn't mean acceptable.

 I never said it was wrong or irrational to arrest and punish drunk drivers who drove unsafely - those are the ones who are by definition unsafe on the road. But there are also plenty who are safe.

Enough of them are dangerous from a double choice circumstance (being drunk and driving) to where it's better just to ban DUI across the board.

Don't tell me what to do, bucko.

You DUI and TUI (Text ...)? Too dangerous. Also, what's going on with your veins? India drives on the left side.

You absolutely can control how tired you are, what an asinine statement. It's called sleeping.

Throughout the day, you can't.

Wow, what a great argument against the Protestant work ethic! Thanks, I don't even have to type anything for this one.

Way more Indians want to move to America than vice versa. That lets you know which nation is better. Your nation has a higher death from car accidents than America does.

If someone was driving dangerous enough from DUI that they get caught and I'm a passenger, then I'd probably deal with trauma from that. I'd be scared of getting in a car crash and losing my legs. That would be traumatizing.

Sidewalker's meme and my agreement with it make sense in a world where reality prevails and sexual assault (and rape) is understood as a direct and intentional attack on a person while DUI is not.

DUI is a direct and intentional attack on any passengers in the vehicle and any vehicles that the DUI offender hit. Rape is an intentional attack on one person.

The Justice system recognizes this fact. I mean, here in my state, DUI is a misdemeanor until the THIRD offense while sexual assault is a felony. Period.

Then maybe lets make first time DUI offense a felony worse than rape. So much trauma gets produced from DUI if you are a passenger or another vehicle.

Well presumably you knew they were drunk when you got in the car.

And you told them to let you (a sober person) drive and they refused to let you. You could uber, but the person who the DUI driver's vehicle crashed into (and all of their passengers) can't do that. How would they know they would crash into a DUI convict?

People who drive under the influence do not typically get into a vehicle planning to hurt others. They either dont realize how impaired they are and/or they think they can make it home without incident. Thus, DUI is not a direct and intentional attack on other people. If someone other than the offender is hurt, it is unintentional and incidental.

The rapist will often say, "she didn't say no", so he didn't think he was harming her. That, and some women will say no but want it anyways, adding more confusion for the rapist.

There is no good reason to do that. 

There is no good reason to do rape or DUI. We agree. But DUI is worse.