Use quotes and don't just make assertions

Several psychedelic drugs and substances are associated with out-of-body experiences (OBEs), including:

Cannabis, Ketamine, LSD and Psychedelics'.

This shows that NDE's can be chemically induced.

i'm surprised that's all you have to say after such a well done thorough essay. dont you have anything more constructive to say?

drugs, dreams, and hallucnations elsewhere in life dont cause NDEs. they might cause some similiarties, but that's all. On basic philosophy, think about what people are experiencing: coherent and elaborate afterlife stories, that are more real than their earthly lives and they have no doubt about with no fear of death, and the common themes like light beings, life reviews, tunnels, deceased loved ones, God etc. Drugs dreams and other hallucinations don’t cause these elaborate afterlife stories with those common themes anywhere else. Why would dying out of all possibilities cause all this? if evolution or natural selection could explain it, that’d be one thing, but as far as i can tell those dont explain it.

Scientists Kondziella, Martial, and others instead theorize that NDEs might be part of a last-ditch survival tactic. Species across the animal kingdom “play dead”—a behavior technically called thanatosis—when they perceive a mortal threat, typically from an attacking predator. If fight-or-flight fails, the instinct to feign death kicks in as an attempt to forestall the danger. The animal becomes immobilized and unresponsive to external stimuli—but with continued awareness so that, given a chance, it can escape. “Personally, I believe the evolutionary aspect really is the key to understanding what NDEs are and how they came about,” Kondziella says. “There is a perfectly valid biological explanation.”

Lifting the Veil on Near-Death Experiences | Scientific American

The human brain is indeed much more complex than a computer. It consists of approximately 86 billion neurons, each forming about 1,000 to 10,000 synapses, equating to more than 100 trillion connections. This vast network operates on chemical and electrical signals, allowing for incredibly complex processing. In contrast, computers are human-made devices that work on digital signals, utilizing a binary system of 0s and 1s to perform calculations and execute tasks. The human brain's processing power is estimated to be equivalent to 1 exaFLOP (a billion billion calculations per second), far exceeding that of the fastest supercomputers. However, computers can perform tasks at a speed that is unfathomable to the human brain, such as calculating complex mathematics or processing large data sets in seconds. Despite their speed, computers require much more energy than the brain, which operates on approximately 20 watts of power — about as much as a dim light bulb.

Eternal Conscious Torment: The Fire of God’s Love

Hell isnt torture, tho many Christians due to being true psychopaths in their heart think of God as insane psychopath deity who tortures atheists.

"Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. ⁵ It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. ⁶ Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. ⁷ It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres." - Bible

I believe in theory 2 btw.

2>1>3 based on scripture.

I do too. But Here's a post about torment than annihilation in bible

Sadly, Kirk Cameron has become just one more example of an ether-theologizing Christianity that, in the end, lets so many down. It would appear he openly abandoned the hard edges of the historic Christian faith for the “less troubling” view that God wouldn’t really consign souls to eternal punishment. “Annihilation” is the term. Essentially, it means that instead of sinners enduring eternal judgment after death, they are simply snuffed out of existence, like Thanos snapping his finger and a person suddenly ceasing to exist. Cameron’s point is that eternal hell seems contrary to a merciful God. And so, simply “nonbeing” feels truer to His merciful nature. In essence, that’s the word being used to establish Cameron’s position—“feels.”

That’s certainly an attractive posture. It definitely fosters the sale of the winsome and syrupy faith that’s so popular in the creedless corners of Christendom. Unfortunately, you have to set the Bible aside to arrive at such things.

The Word of God—not the emotionally-driven, internet-assembled, pop-Christian dogmatics formed out of thin air—repeatedly affirms the doctrine of hell as a real, conscious, eternal punishment for the unrepentant. An unbeliever goes there and stays there. And it will be terrible and forever. Whatever the most torturous thing that ever existed on earth, human beings are to know it is atom-sized and the blink of an eye by comparison to hell. And the thing is, a person doesn’t have to go far to hear the Lord speak about this. For example, in Matthew 25:26, the Lord says the unbelieving wicked will go away “into eternal punishment.” And in that same breath, the same Lord contrasts hell with another perpetual life—“eternal life” for the righteous. The New Testament Epistles say the same thing. Paul warns that the wicked “will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction” (2 Thessalonians 1:9). Jude describes the unrepentant enduring “eternal fire” (Jude 7). The keyword here is the adjective αἰώνιος (eternal). It means exactly what you think it means—unlimited, without end, no relief to its duration.

Of course, there are plenty of other texts throughout the Bible, all the way through to its final pages. And even when they don’t use αἰώνιος, they more than define eternal condemnation’s contours. For example, Revelation 14:9-11 warns that unbelievers will experience torment that will continue “day and night, forever and ever.” That is not momentary. It is not a sudden nonbeing. It is conscious, ongoing, and it never ends.

But again, as is often so typical of pop-spirituality, God’s Word is distorted and rendered meaningless. The inevitable result is a false faith in a false Christ. I can’t say it enough: this is what happens when Christians stray from creedal faith. When you have no boundaries, you are free to wander. Unfortunately, those who wander beyond creedal security are likely to fall. But not into truth. They fall away from the faith established in God’s Word and delivered from believer to believer, from generation to generation. They trade away truth for a god of their own imagination. That god may feel right in the moment, but it has no power to save anyone in the end.

Well said

You may have a point from a strictly philosophical approach. However to me Philosophically its silly to think such distinctly unique and elaborate and phenomenomally important elements would arise by evolution

And scientifically, there's out of body experiments, sight to the blind, and other lines of evidence that have been reported by peer reviewed and strict protocol of study, as ive posted. All it takes is one black swan to prove black swans exist, when it comes to what the evidence indicates. There are books and countless examples of these things, its a trend, its evidence. And far as we can tell I dont see contrary evidence. People sre really bad at guessing what happened out of their body for instance and the weight of the evidence is that's not even empirically a thing

'Skepticism for the sake of skepticism' isnt science, its dogma when taken to the lengths you guys do

See my points about ndes

Yes, near-death experiences (NDEs) are considered "real" in that people genuinely have profound, vivid, and life-altering subjective experiences, though scientists debate if they're glimpses of an afterlife or complex brain phenomena during extreme stress/dying.Key features like out-of-body sensations, tunnels, bright lights, and meeting deceased loved ones are common across cultures, leading some researchers to study them as unique states of consciousness, while others link them to physiological processes like fainting (syncope) or brain activity during cardiac arrest, but they profoundly change people's lives.  

What makes them "real"?

1. Common Experiences: 
2. Across diverse people (atheists, religious, different cultures), consistent themes emerge, like tunnels, lights, life reviews, and peace, reported by millions. 
3. 
   
4. Life-Changing Impact: 
5. NDEs cause permanent shifts in beliefs, values, and attitudes, making them deeply significant for experiencers, notes Psychology Today and this NIH article. 
6. 
   
7. Memories: 
8. People often recall NDEs as more vivid and real than normal memories, with these memories remaining stable for decades. 
9. 
   

Scientific explanations (brain-based):**

1. Syncope: 
2. Fainting (syncope) can trigger NDE-like feelings, suggesting a physiological basis, say NIH researchers. 
3. 
   
4. Brain Activity: 
5. Some theories suggest NDEs stem from heightened brain activity or specific neurological events as the brain shuts down or recovers from oxygen deprivation during cardiac arrest, explain this NIH article and this NIH article. 
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7. Consciousness Studies: 
8. Researchers like Charlotte Martial view them as a unique mental state offering clues about consciousness itself. 
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What's debated?

1. Origin: 
2. Are they spiritual glimpses or neurological events? The debate continues, with some accepting them as proof of consciousness beyond death (like at the University of Virginia) while others focus on the dying brain, say this NIH article and this NIH article. 
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4. Interpretation: 
5. Religious views differ, with some finding them biblically valid glimpses of heaven, notes Answers in Genesis and GotQuestions.org, while others remain skeptical, says GotQuestions.org. 
6. 
   

In summary, NDEs are undeniably real experiences for those who have them, but their cause and meaning remain a frontier of scientific and philosophical inquiry, explain this Psychology Today article, this NIH article, and this NIH article.

Nothing that you present is scientifically scrutinised.

There is no way of rigorously scrutinising indeterminate and unpredictable physiological occurrences.

A laboratory conducted experiment would not be authentic.

Everything you present is based upon hearsay from people who have a high likelihood of a vested interest.

Scepticism in the absence of definitive knowledge is a healthy standpoint, and is hardly dogmatic.

Ideas of miraculous occurrences, visionary behaviour and Man Gods have been around and been rebranded for millennia, yet still there is no concrete evidence to unequivocally substantiate any such claims.

In fact "science" proves that religion and religious ideas are a mere momentary evolutionary blip associated with the development of thinking questioning and imaginative organisms.

The strangest thing about these sorts of episodes is when people are said to have woken up speaking in another accent or an entirely different language. I'd love to know how that works?

im not sure if you haven't looked at my threads like i suggested so i did the work for you.

https://www.debatecraft.com/forum/c/religion/posts/1k/descriptions-of-the-protocols-used-in-peer-reviewed-studies-of-veridical-out-of-body-experiences--and-whether-these-prove-the-experiences-are-real

when you ignore science like that, you are ignoring peer reviewed science with strict protocols that directly contradict your world view. when you ignore books that provide countless examples or my threads with countless examples, it directly contrdcits your world view. you dont provide much in the way of meaningful counter science. most all you provide is 'nothing to see here, i am a skeptic through and through'. it's hard core dogma, it's anti science, and to say it's not even evidence is not just anti science it's anti logic and reason. it's truly idiotic. you're nothing but a fundamentlaist with nothing to offer these debates other than skepticiam for the sake of skepticism

When you ignore science.

There is no proper science.

Tell me how one scientifically tests such claims?

What you present is unverifiable claims and assumptive conclusions, which do not amount to rigorous scientific scrutiny.

Therefore, there is no "counter-science".

And I am sceptical, because I have a tendency to be sceptical rather than fanciful.

All that we can do is wait and see what happens when we die.

Millions have died before you and left behind their experiences.

As far as I know, millions have died and left behind zilch in terms of their death experience.

Actually...how long does death take?... And I mean switched on and switched off, rather than a more or less protracted winding down experience (WDE).

Less than a second?

And before you correct me, yes, resuscitation is a possibility which indicates that the whole mass remains viable for a brief period of time.

The mass is a symbiosis of tissue and micro-organisms.

And DNA can remain viable for a long time...Varying according to environmental conditions.

So death as is generally perceived, refers to brain switch off...Would you agree?

The act of individuals returning from a brush with death and recounting their experiences is known as having a 

Near-Death Experience (NDE). These personal testimonies are recorded in extensive collections, such as the NDE accounts available on the Near Death Experience Research Foundation (NDERF) website, which is a major repository of publicly accessible narratives. 

Characteristics of NDE Records

Researchers have collected thousands of these accounts over decades. The records reveal common themes across different cultures and backgrounds: 

1. Out-of-Body Experiences: A feeling of detachment from the physical body, often involving floating above it and observing the surroundings from a different perspective.
2. Encountering a Light or Tunnel: The sensation of moving through a dark space towards a brilliant, often warm and loving, light.
3. Feelings of Peace and Joy: Experiencers often report an overwhelming sense of serenity, absence of pain, and unconditional love, a stark contrast to the potential physical trauma their bodies are enduring.
4. Life Review: A rapid, vivid mental replay or review of past life events, sometimes described as having a strong moral or emotional component.
5. Meeting Deceased Loved Ones or Spiritual Beings: Encounters with apparitions of deceased relatives, friends, or religious figures.
6. A Change in Beliefs: After returning, many individuals report a profound, permanent transformation in their life perspective, including a loss of the fear of death, reduced materialism, and an increased sense of purpose. 

Verifiable Accounts

While NDEs are subjective, some cases include details that can be verified by third parties, such as a patient accurately describing surgical procedures or events in an adjacent room while clinically unconscious. These "verifiable" NDEs are of particular interest to researchers studying consciousness and the brain. 

Scientific Study

Scientific research continues to study NDEs to understand the relationship between consciousness and brain function. Various theories, including physiological explanations like reduced blood flow to the brain or the intrusion of REM sleep into waking consciousness, attempt to explain the perceptions experienced during these events, but the profound, life-altering nature and consistent themes across diverse accounts remain subjects of ongoing investigation. 

Points 1 to 6, are easily explained as mind games under stress. The relevant data and expectations will already have been programmed into ones database.

Programmed theists like to read more into it.

And an ND Event would be more likely than not, to have a "profound" effect on ones lifestyle choices moving forwards.

"Profound" being the operative word for people looking for something more than just physiological normality.

Researchers have collected thousands of these accounts over decades. The records reveal common themes across different cultures and backgrounds: 

1. Out-of-Body Experiences: A feeling of detachment from the physical body, often involving floating above it and observing the surroundings from a different perspective.
2. Encountering a Light or Tunnel: The sensation of moving through a dark space towards a brilliant, often warm and loving, light.
3. Feelings of Peace and Joy: Experiencers often report an overwhelming sense of serenity, absence of pain, and unconditional love, a stark contrast to the potential physical trauma their bodies are enduring.
4. Life Review: A rapid, vivid mental replay or review of past life events, sometimes described as having a strong moral or emotional component.
5. Meeting Deceased Loved Ones or Spiritual Beings: Encounters with apparitions of deceased relatives, friends, or religious figures.
6. A Change in Beliefs: After returning, many individuals report a profound, permanent transformation in their life perspective, including a loss of the fear of death, reduced materialism, and an increased sense of purpose. 

#25

This is just copied and was refuted previously, and is not indicative of any direct personal input.

The statement that the 

adaptation to near-death experiences (NDEs) will be profound is supported by extensive research, which consistently documents deep, lasting, and fundamental transformations in the lives of NDE survivors. These changes affect an individual's worldview, values, and psychological well-being. 

Key Profound Adaptations Following NDEs

Individuals who undergo NDEs report significant, long-term adaptive changes, distinguishing their experiences from those who merely faced a life-threatening situation without an NDE. 

1. Decreased Fear of Death: A consistent and powerful outcome is a significant reduction, or complete absence, of the fear of death, often replaced by a strong belief in an afterlife or continued existence.
2. Shift in Values and Life Priorities: Experiencers often undergo a profound reorientation of their priorities, emphasizing spirituality, love, and human connection over material or superficial pursuits.
3. Increased Spirituality and Interconnectedness: Many people report a heightened sense of spirituality and an overwhelming feeling of interconnectedness with others and the universe, regardless of prior religious affiliation.
4. Enhanced Empathy and Compassion: NDE survivors typically become more emotionally sensitive and empathetic towards others.
5. Psychological Healing and Post-Traumatic Growth: While the initial event is traumatic, the NDE itself is associated with less psychological distress and greater post-traumatic growth compared to close calls with death that lack an NDE.
6. Newfound Creative Expression: In some cases, NDEs (particularly those related to traumatic brain injuries) may "unmask" latent creative abilities, leading individuals to spontaneously engage in artistic expression as a means of processing their experience and newfound insights. 

These adaptations represent a fundamental, often permanent, reshaping of a person's identity and their engagement with the world. The resulting life changes are considered by researchers to be one of the most compelling aspects of the near-death experience phenomenon. 

1. One fears death less as one get's older, suggesting an inherent coping strategy...A strong "belief" in the after life is not uncommon...And continued existence is what it is.

2. A reorientation of priorities would largely depend upon funding and social support... And some support groups would have a vested interest

3. Spirituality is a common internal electrochemical process, triggered by an individuals relative triggers.

4. Some people are likely to be more empathetic than others....Just as some people are more prone to coercion.

5. Psychological healing and post traumatic growth, basically means recovering, but those with a vested interest in another persons ND Event, will be keen to make more of it.

6. And for sure, brain injuries and altered function will inevitably change a persons operational modus, and artistic expression is often used as

post traumatic therapy. This will also depend largely upon funding and social support. And some support groups would have a vested interest.

Perceived outcomes will depend upon the want's of the assessor and their study...And obviously, interpretation would be arbitrary and subjective.

And an opposing school of thought would operate similarly. (More logically perhaps)

Though none of the above proves that there is an afterlife...Just proves that brain function is not necessarily permanently established and unchangeable.

One fears death as they get older.

The fear of death often increases with age because 

aging brings a heightened awareness of mortality, physical decline, potential loss of independence, and the "unknown" of what comes next, leading to anxiety (Thanatophobia), though coping mechanisms like acceptance, staying active, and focusing on life's meaning can help manage it. This fear isn't always linear; studies suggest it can peak in young adulthood but may resurface or change in middle age, often linked to "little deaths" (losing loved ones, abilities). 

Why Fear Increases with Age

1. Proximity to Death: As people age, they experience more "little deaths" (friends, family, physical abilities), making the finality of death feel closer and more real.
2. Loss of Control & Independence: Fear of physical decline, becoming a burden, or losing autonomy is tied to the fear of death itself.
3. The Unknown: Death represents the ultimate mystery, and the end of one's experiences and consciousness is inherently frightening.
4. Unfinished Business: Feeling that life goals haven't been met can intensify anxiety about time running out. 

How People Cope

1. Acceptance: Coming to terms with aging and its limitations reduces frustration and fear.
2. Activity & Engagement: Staying mentally and physically active helps counter feelings of decline.
3. Meaning & Purpose: Focusing on life's meaning and making peace with the past helps diminish the power of death anxiety.
4. Connection: Talking to family, friends, or professionals can provide support.
5. Confronting the Fear: Some therapies involve controlled exposure to death-related thoughts or symbols to reduce their power. 

Key Takeaway

While the fear of death is natural and can be heightened by aging, it's a complex emotion that shifts over time; it's not just about dying, but about the process of living and what it means as it nears its natural end. 

I think that you are confusing conscious fear and conscious uncertainty. Rather than addressing the issue of inherent coping strategy.

In my line of work, I regularly come into contact with the terminally ill, and I generally find that they are resigned to their fate.

But yes, non-existence is a difficult concept to come to terms with.

Though in my opinion only, I think that subconscious systems are always in control of physiological function.