Allah, the Best cheater and best liar, my loving liar God Allah <3

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Allah, the Best cheater and best liar, my loving liar God Allah <3


I know many religions brag about their God being powerful and good and everything, but you will rarely find a religion which openly brags that their God is not only a cheater and liar, but the best cheater and actively cheats people and lies to them.



"and God cheated and deceived, and God is the best of the cheaters and deceivers."


"So no one trusts God's deceit except the nation the losers."


"God deceives and schemes"


"and God is best of the deceivers."



https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Allah,_the_Best_Deceiver_(Qur%27an_3:54)




I am muslim because Allah cheated me into becoming muslim.


Allah is the best of cheaters and he cheats people.


I believe in Allah, the lying deity.

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#2 •••

😂😂


To be fair it is a fact that is what God is but I agree that it is hilarious how openly Islam brags it and now pretends it just meant schemer.


Nobody can outdeceive God, however the way the Qur'an brags about it is hilarious.

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The US is a definitively secular nation, founded on complete separation of the State and religion. The Left Wing of US realise this but don't realise that pure freedom requires as low tax and free access to guns as possible. The Right Wing of US don't realise that secular pure freedom means the LGBTQ+ and abortion agendas both end up in line with US's liberty-first ethos.

It is left-wing to be pro-life. You are backing poor babies being born at the inconvenience of the already-born. Go figure.

#3 •••

Muslims have even committed to praying to Allah 5 times a day. It must be very entertaining to them.

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#4 •••
To be fair it is a fact that is what God is


The problem is when my God openly tells me that he is a liar, I must wonder does he lie to me too or is it just to others.

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#5 •••
@SatanLucy

If god is being honest to you, why would he turn around and lie to you.

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#6 •••
@Debby

Shouting at an imaginary GOD, is like shouting at a brick wall.



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#7 •••
@SergeantLynch

Jews kiss the same wall.

some devout Jews kiss the stones of the Western Wall (Kotel) in Jerusalem as a sign of reverence and deep emotional connection to God and Jewish history, often after placing prayers in its cracks, though it's a custom, not a strict commandment, and some rabbis discouraged it during the pandemic for hygiene. They also kiss the mezuzah, a small scroll on doorposts, as they enter and leave homes, symbolizing divine protection and love for God's commandments, by touching their fingers to it and then kissing them. 

At the Western Wall (Kotel)

  1. Why they kiss it: It's a deeply spiritual place, a remnant of the ancient Temple, representing a tangible link to God and Jewish heritage. People kiss it to express love, seek blessings, and feel close to God.
  2. What it signifies: It's a physical expression of faith, similar to watering the wall with tears, and a way to connect with their identity as God's eternal nation.
  3. Important note: While common, it's a beloved custom, not a biblical requirement, and public health measures have sometimes led rabbis to ask people to refrain from touching or kissing the stones. 

At the Mezuzah

  1. What it is: A small case containing parchment with verses from the Torah, placed on doorposts.
  2. Why they kiss it: When entering or leaving a room, Jews often touch the mezuzah and then kiss their fingers as a sign of respect, love for God, and to remember His presence and commandments.
  3. Significance: It's a beloved, long-standing Jewish custom that serves as a constant reminder of God's presence in the home. 


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#8 •••
@Debby

Yes people do daft stuff.

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#9 •••
@SergeantLynch

The 1 true God has the name.


Lord YHWH.


He is of 3 persons; Father, Son and Holy Spirit.


These are to be worshipped as follows:


You worship the Son mainly in your mind. He is the way, the truth and the life.


Through him, via his ways and methods you then frame the Fathers Old Testament ways. And both together (Orthodox disagree) released the Holy Spirit as their combined will and guidance mechanism in us.


HS is his own person but is also a quieter one, he interacts within you not 'back at you' as much


You do it. You repent. You grow.


Or...


You perish and do so in horrifyingly agonising fire, brimstone and such. These are the facts the Lord revealed to us.

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The US is a definitively secular nation, founded on complete separation of the State and religion. The Left Wing of US realise this but don't realise that pure freedom requires as low tax and free access to guns as possible. The Right Wing of US don't realise that secular pure freedom means the LGBTQ+ and abortion agendas both end up in line with US's liberty-first ethos.

It is left-wing to be pro-life. You are backing poor babies being born at the inconvenience of the already-born. Go figure.

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Judaism rejects Jesus as Lord or YHWH 

because he didn't fulfill messianic prophecies (like bringing world peace, rebuilding the Temple, gathering Jews to Israel) and Christian concepts of Jesus as divine, the Son of God, or part of a Trinity contradict Jewish monotheism and the indivisibility of God (YHWH). Jews view the worship of any person as idolatry and believe the Messiah must be a human descendant of David, not divine, and usher in an era of universal peace, which didn't happen with Jesus's arrival, according to Jewish tradition

Core Reasons for Rejection

  1. Unfulfilled Prophecies: Jesus did not meet the biblical criteria for the Messiah, such as establishing world peace (Isaiah 2:4) or rebuilding the Third Temple.
  2. Divinity & Trinity: Judaism strongly opposes the Christian idea of Jesus as God, the Son of God, or part of the Trinity, viewing it as polytheism or idolatry, contradicting strict Jewish monotheism.
  3. Messianic Role: The Jewish concept of the Messiah is a human leader who brings an era of universal peace and redemption, not a divine figure or one who offers spiritual salvation separate from national restoration.
  4. Challenging Traditions: Jesus challenged some Jewish religious teachings and traditions, and his claims to forgive sins were seen as blasphemous by religious leaders, says a YouTube video

Jewish Understanding of Messiah vs. Christian View

  1. Judaism: The Messiah is a human king, a descendant of David, who ushers in a redeemed world (the Messianic Age).
  2. Christianity: Jesus is the divine Messiah, the Son of God, who brings spiritual salvation. 

Key Prophecies Not Met (from a Jewish Perspective)

  1. Gathering all Jews to Israel (Isaiah 11:12).
  2. Rebuilding the Temple (Micah 4:1).
  3. Ending all war and bringing universal peace (Isaiah 2:4). 


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#11 •••
like bringing world peace, rebuilding the Temple, gathering Jews to Israel

The Christian nations have helped approach world peace more than any prior civilisation, religion or appriach ever did.


Israel as a nation state does exist and has Jews now and this was done thanks to Christian nations fighting for it. However, it is naive and simple-minded to think Israel meant what that is.


Israel originally meant the grandson of Abraham named Jacob. The new Israeli figure is Yesbua, Jesus. It is in Christ we all join the Biblical Israel.


Since Israel exists as a nationstate and Jews are moving to it, you are wrong that even superficially there are 0 clues that Yeshua is succeeding. On 2nd coming all will be achieved.

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The US is a definitively secular nation, founded on complete separation of the State and religion. The Left Wing of US realise this but don't realise that pure freedom requires as low tax and free access to guns as possible. The Right Wing of US don't realise that secular pure freedom means the LGBTQ+ and abortion agendas both end up in line with US's liberty-first ethos.

It is left-wing to be pro-life. You are backing poor babies being born at the inconvenience of the already-born. Go figure.

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The Jews called for Jesus’s crucifixion. They were called Christ killers during the Holocaust.

Judaism rejects Jesus as Lord or YHWH 

because he didn't fulfill messianic prophecies (like bringing world peace, rebuilding the Temple, gathering Jews to Israel) and Christian concepts of Jesus as divine, the Son of God, or part of a Trinity contradict Jewish monotheism and the indivisibility of God (YHWH). Jews view the worship of any person as idolatry and believe the Messiah must be a human descendant of David, not divine, and usher in an era of universal peace, which didn't happen with Jesus's arrival, according to Jewish tradition

Core Reasons for Rejection

  1. Unfulfilled Prophecies: Jesus did not meet the biblical criteria for the Messiah, such as establishing world peace (Isaiah 2:4) or rebuilding the Third Temple.
  2. Divinity & Trinity: Judaism strongly opposes the Christian idea of Jesus as God, the Son of God, or part of the Trinity, viewing it as polytheism or idolatry, contradicting strict Jewish monotheism.
  3. Messianic Role: The Jewish concept of the Messiah is a human leader who brings an era of universal peace and redemption, not a divine figure or one who offers spiritual salvation separate from national restoration.
  4. Challenging Traditions: Jesus challenged some Jewish religious teachings and traditions, and his claims to forgive sins were seen as blasphemous by religious leaders, says a YouTube video

Jewish Understanding of Messiah vs. Christian View

  1. Judaism: The Messiah is a human king, a descendant of David, who ushers in a redeemed world (the Messianic Age).
  2. Christianity: Jesus is the divine Messiah, the Son of God, who brings spiritual salvation. 

Key Prophecies Not Met (from a Jewish Perspective)

  1. Gathering all Jews to Israel (Isaiah 11:12).
  2. Rebuilding the Temple (Micah 4:1).
  3. Ending all war and bringing universal peace (Isaiah 2:4). 


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#13 •••
@Debby
Key Prophecies Not Met (from a Jewish Perspective)


I will not say that the accusation of the "key prophecies not met" are exclusively a Jewish perspective. Many Christians, but also many agnostics, and virtually all atheists, condemn the apparent lack, as well, but, whenever did Jesus give us an accurate timing of fulfillment? No he did not, because it is also said scripturally that "no man knows the hour," though many have guessed, and failed. It's possible that Christ, himself, may be out of the loop in knowledge for when it occurs [my suggestion, only] but that he will come when God the Father commands. I'd say: Stop trying to guess when, and, as taught by the parable of the ten virgins, prepare to be worthy of greeting the bridegroom [Christ] when he comes. What's wrong with preparation for the event rather than merely clodding away the time in attempts to guess the hour? Do we not pray in the Lord's Prayer "...Thy kingdom come, thy will be done..."? These are not words of panic, but words of encouragement, if we are prepared, but words of fear if we are not. It's an attempt to be positive about the event, When we are prepared, when does it matter when he comes? It will happen whenever it will occur. Then, the "unmet prophecies" will be fulfilled.

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We tell God what to do and then blame Him for our errors.

- Dr. Pet Dragon of Sorbonne University

#14 •••
@SatanLucy

You go to excessive lengths to attempt to translate a single word, in this case, Makr "مكر", when we all know part of meaning of single words is its use in context, so the single effort to define a word, when most words have multiple meaning in context, and when all words in translation become difficult meaning-wise because no langauge's lexicon [word list] is the identical duplicate of another language, so translation comes with compromise in addition to context. For example, Makr may also be interpreted as "cunning," which has wicked intent, but also righteous intent, again, depending on context. You have not bothered including context, so... pffft.

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We tell God what to do and then blame Him for our errors.

- Dr. Pet Dragon of Sorbonne University

#15 •••
@GreatfulGoy

I look to the skies and I rejoice in light and sustenance afforded me by the one true Earth GOD, namely the SUN.


In the evenings I similarly pay respect to the moon, the Companion GOD of equilibrium.


I place no significant importance on tall tales and mythical characters from the Middle East.



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#16 •••
@fauxlaw
we all know part of meaning of single words is its use in context


No, words are defined by definition, not by context. In fact, context plays no role in definition of words in any dictionary anywhere.


What is definition of deceive?


Making people believe in something which isnt true.


So when Allah says he is best at making people believe what isnt true, any context around that could be just Allah making people believe what isnt true.

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#17 •••
@SatanLucy

You did not complete your sentence. It should have read, “Allah making people believe what isnt true in other religions.”

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No, words are defined by definition


By whose dictionary, boyo? Dictionaries differ in their stated definitions. And are we talking the noun, love, or the verb? The online Merriam-Webster offers 8 definitions as a noun; 4 as a verb. My OED Unabridged offers 24 definitions for the noun; 16 for the verb. What's wrong with M-W's dictionary? They're both Engish language dictionaries, yet M-W's offerings are clearly, sorely lacking. So much for dictionary definitions, only. Why do we diagram English sentences in school grammar classes if context is not a definition factor? No, my friend, you're absolutely unwound on that claim. I do own a lingustics baccalaureate [one of several], plus an English Lit PhD [one of several]. You? So, now you have my scholastic justification for my stated necessity of context. Yours?


Oh, deceive? Yeah, it is an effort to make someone believe something that is not true, but it is not merely a lie. A lie is a sub-set of deception, but there is more to deception than merely lying. It uses other words, actions, omissions, and [son-of-a-gun!] exploitation of my C-word, context.

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We tell God what to do and then blame Him for our errors.

- Dr. Pet Dragon of Sorbonne University

#19 •••
@fauxlaw

The primary purpose of definitions is 

to provide clarity, precision, and shared understanding by explaining the meaning of terms, especially complex or ambiguous ones, to avoid misunderstandings and establish common ground for communication, thought, and discussion across different fields and contexts. Definitions help set parameters for discourse, eliminate vagueness, and ensure everyone is on the same page, acting as a compass for complex ideas. 

Key purposes of definitions:

  1. Achieve Clarity & Avoid Misunderstanding: They explain unfamiliar or technical words so readers understand the intended meaning, preventing confusion, as noted by Purdue OWL.
  2. Establish Parameters: Definitions set boundaries for a discussion, ensuring that a term means the same thing for all participants in a conversation or text, say Writing for Success and ResearchGate.
  3. Reduce Vagueness: They take words with borderline meanings (like "big" or "bald") and make them specific for a given context, as shown in Simon Fraser University.
  4. Increase Vocabulary: Definitions introduce new words and their meanings to expand the communicator's language, according to Scribd.
  5. Influence Attitudes (Persuasion): Definitions can be crafted to subtly persuade an audience to view a term in a particular way, states Prezi and Scribd.
  6. Provide Theoretical Explanation: In science and philosophy, definitions offer systematic explanations of concepts, providing deeper understanding, says Humanities LibreTexts. 

In essence, definitions are crucial tools for clear thinking and communication, allowing us to navigate complex information and share ideas effectively, notes ReferralCandy


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#20 •••
@Debby

Generally, in day to day conversation regular people use a regular set of words wherein meaning is generally understood.


Nonetheless it is easy to stray beyond the parameters of day to day regularity, whereby those with reduced or differing databases will scratch their chin and go uh.


Nonetheless, it is estimated that the average person uses between 20,000 and 35,000 words.


Blimey.

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#21 •••
@SergeantLynch

Is 10,000 words enough for fluency?


According to Optilingo, you need to know around 10.000 words to be considered fluent in your target language. Those who only know between 250–500 words are considered beginners, while knowing between 1.000 to 3.000 words will make you able to carry on daily conversations (intermediate level).


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#22 •••
@Debby, @SatanLucy

I am not arguing word definition, nor definition of definition. My argument is that definition includes context, about which you've said nothing, and which SatanLucy ignores.


However, your second point of "Establishing Parameters" is germane when considering its role in debate on this site, by offering definition in Description of keywords in a resolve; an act which several on this site habitually ignore to their peril because their debate ends yp being an argument off definition of those words. offering definition up front helps derail those3 arguments.

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We tell God what to do and then blame Him for our errors.

- Dr. Pet Dragon of Sorbonne University

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@fauxlaw

Definition is a critical element in debates because it provides the foundational framework for all arguments, ensuring that participants are discussing the same subject and avoiding confusion

. As Socrates noted, "The beginning of wisdom is the definition of terms," implying that clarity of thought and effective communication depend on mutual understanding of key concepts. 

Key Reasons for Definitions in Debates:

  1. Preventing Talking Past Each Other: Without agreed-upon definitions, participants often debate different interpretations of the same topic.
  2. Establishing Parameters: Definitions set the scope of the debate, preventing arguments from dissolving into aimless rhetoric.
  3. Ensuring Fair Ground: A good definition provides balanced, debatable territory, rather than one designed solely to secure a win.
  4. Operationalizing Concepts: In technical or policy debates, specific, shared definitions are necessary for experts to communicate efficiently. 

Guidelines for Effective Definitions:

  1. Contextualization: The definition should match the specific context or "spirit of the motion" of the debate.
  2. Reasonableness: Definitions should be reasonable and, if possible, acceptable to both sides to avoid "definition debates" that derail the main discussion.
  3. Non-Circular: A term should not be defined by using the term itself.
  4. Evidence-Based: Supporting definitions with dictionaries, scholarly consensus, or expert usage adds credibility. 

Types of "Reasons to Prefer" a Definition:

Debaters may use specific tactics to justify their definitions, including:

  1. Etymology: The origin of the word.
  2. Resolutional Context: How the word fits into the specific topic.
  3. Scholar/Expert Preference: How the term is used in the relevant field.
  4. Man on the Street: The common, everyday understanding of the term. 


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#24 •••
@Debby

So, more than mere "dictionary" definition, which is, after all, merely a word list, and not the grammar or culture of a people, both of which are vital to understanding its brand of civilization.

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We tell God what to do and then blame Him for our errors.

- Dr. Pet Dragon of Sorbonne University

#25 •••
@fauxlaw

So like, when Trump applies justice, then that justice is only relevant to a Trumpian definition of justice.


Yep, we get that Faux.

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#26 •••
@SergeantLynch

"We," who? You and your windsock puppet? Just cannot ignore him, can you? Fixated?

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We tell God what to do and then blame Him for our errors.

- Dr. Pet Dragon of Sorbonne University

#27 •••
@fauxlaw

Trump Justice pardoned 1500 Jan 6 rioters. Trump pardons Honduran ex-president who was convicted of drug crimes. Hernández was released from federal prison in the United States last week 

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#28 •••
@fauxlaw

It was just a topical exemplar Faux.


And I "fixate" because you fixate...Which is how this microcosmic chatter affords us entertainment.


And shortly I will shut it down and completely forget about you and Trump, because I will have more important things to do.

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#29 •••
@SergeantLynch

You don’t think the American fixation with Trump is important?

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#30 •••
@SergeantLynch

Excellent suggestion. Go.

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We tell God what to do and then blame Him for our errors.

- Dr. Pet Dragon of Sorbonne University