Jesus Tempted Was The Devil

I actually asked:

A) why do Christians believe God became flesh?

B) why did god demand a blood sacrifice?

C) one God? It is simply not true

Already answered in the original topic posting repeatedly. Read the original, just excerpts are provided here.

A)To save humanity from sin.

B) offerings of sacrifice were followed by the spilling of blood.

C) Christianity is a monotheistic religion.

you are a non practicing Christian. Your knowledge of the Bible has eroded with time and so has your faith. All signs that Satan is controlling your life.

The most common test is whether the message aligns with the Bible. 

There is much more to it than merely comparing anyone's statements against the Holy Bible.

For example, how about this "message:" "And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil." [Holy Bible [KJV] Genesis 3: 4, 5] There is not one word in this message from Satan that is not true. And if anyone else said the same words, how are you justified to judge them?

How about this message: "Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?" [Holy Bible [KJV] Matthew 7: 1 - 3] This message is from Jesus Christ, Himself; part of the Sermon on the Mount.

I am convinced that both messages speak only the truth. As both message are biblical, I suggest you're ignoring the first, but also the second. Is the Bible in conflict with itself, because both speak to judgment, don't they?

The last contact with both his parents-we are told was when they negligently lost her holy charge; a gift from god too!. 

One must know the culture of the Jews in that period. Among some, it continues to this day. Mary and Joseph did not travel to Jerusalem from Nazareth with young Jesus alone - a distance of about 100 km. There were many from Nazareth with whom they traveled - likely even relatives. That culture, then, and now, had very close family relations beyond a nuclear family - much more so than we are, today. It is reasonable to assume Mary & Joseph thought Jesus was with some other family or friends well known to them. And yes, there was an occasion in Galilee when Jesus was teaching a large crowd; so large that Mary and other sons [likely of Joseph], who, by that time, was likely dead - he falls out of mention at the conclusion of that Passover journey when Jesus was 12. It is also mentioned that Mary & Joseph made this Passover journey, again, very likely with a large group, every year, so the journey when Jesus was 12 was not unique, further contributing to the suggestion that thinking that Jesus, at 12, was traveling with others is not doubtful.

This is why I maintain that language is inseparably tied to culture. Different cultures; different languages, and without intimately knowing the culture, the language is virtually impossible to know well enough for accuracy of understanding. That is a problem that plagued Bible translation. That is why I maintain that understanding the Bible needs more than simple reading if it, cover-to-cover. It requires sincere prayer to seek better understanding.

Jesus’s warnings about Satan corrupting the individual can be applied in Stephen’s case after the evidence is considered, his continues doubting of the Bible.

Jesus consistently warns the Satan(referred to as the Devil , the evil one, or the tempter) acts as a corrupting force on the individual by targeting their mind, faith and moral character through deception, temptation and distraction. Satan’s goal is to turn individuals away from God , disrupt their spiritual growth and destroy their relationship with Him. This accurately describes Stephen’s lack of education about the Bible and his non practicing Christian status. It also highlights his anti Christian arrogance.

There is a difference between judging someone as described by Jesus and heeding his warning how Satan corrupts individuals. A non practicing Christian is Stephen’s own confession about falling from grace.

People also get enthralled with other fantasy tales, such as Game of Thrones or Lord of the Rings etc...All of which tend to have both nominated goodies and baddies...They're sort of essential to the plot...Bible myths and legends are what they are...Though obsession can sometimes lead to a blurring between reality and fantasy.

Jesus’s warnings about Satan corrupting the individual can be applied in Stephen’s case after the evidence is considered, his continues doubting of the Bible.

Does not the BIBLE itself tell us to continuously question what we are told?

Didn't the 19 faced murderer of Christians; Paul praise the Jews of Berea for being better questioners and "examiners" of scripture than those Jews of Thessalonica?

And scrutinising these flawed, contradictory statements and examining the ambiguous half told stories in the bible is not necessarily doubting it could be seriously considered as confirming.

You are just far too bible ignorant "Debby".

Look I believe that you have faith, but its not your faith I am doubting, is it? You just don't know enough about your own "faith" to even admit that it is quite clearly questionable at the very least.

Are you telling me that these verses I offer below are not even questionable and that they don't warrant further investigation!!??

LOOK FFS!!

According to the Gospel of John, what did Jesus say about bearing his own witness?

If I bear witness to myself, my testimony is not true (John 5:3 1)

Even if I do bear witness to myself, my testimony is true (John 8:14).

I want you to explain away this obvious contradiction. If they are out of context, then put them into context for us. Because is all I can read and see are clear contradictions from the same author.

So when you are ready, "Debby". Or would you like an easier one to explain away?

HERE YOU ARE then>>>

Did Jesus bear his own cross?

Yes (John 19:17)

No (Matthew 27:31-32)

Did Jesus beat

r his own cross?

yes John 19:17

no Matthew 27:31-32

Both accounts are true. At first Jesus carried but he was so weakened by his beatings that he was no longer able to.

matthew 27:32, mark 15:21, Luke 23:26. Jesus weakened by torture and blood loss, was unable to carry his cross alone to Golgotha. Roman soldiers compelled a passerby, Simon of Cyrene(a man from Africa), to carry the cross for him, often noted as being behind Jesus.

unlike the Synoptics, the gospel of John does not mention Simon, highlighting a Jesus who carries his own cross which was the first part of the journey.

Here again the Bible clears any doubts one might have if one is guided by the Holy Spirit or has sufficient Bible knowledge and not under the influence of Satan.

Stephen wrote: Did Jesus bear his own cross?

yes John 19:17

no Matthew 27:31-32

Thicko "Debby " wrote: Both accounts are true.

Not according to gospels. You haven't even bothered to read them carefully have you? Only one can be true. I have bold and underlined the word you should be concentrating on, THICKO! now go look properly.

and you missed this (no fkn surprises)

Jesus said:

If I bear witness to myself, my testimony is not true (John 5:3 1)

Even if I do bear witness to myself, my testimony is true (John 8:14).

And there is this too:

Was John the Baptist Elijah who was to come?

Yes (Matthew II: 14, 17:10-13)

No (John 1:19-21)

Was John the Baptist Elijah who was to come.

yes (Matthew 11:14, 17:10-13

no (John 1:19-21)

John gives his answer directly . So the Bible is the best reference.

john 1:21 They asked him,” then who are you? Are you Elijah? John said, “I am not”, are you a prophet?

He answered “No”.

You had the answer to your own question, but doubted John’s reply.

Stephen wrote: Was John the Baptist Elijah who was to come?

yes (Matthew 11:14, 17:10-13

no (John 1:19-21)

"Debby" wrote: John gives his answer directly . So the Bible is the best reference.

john 1:21 They asked him,” then who are you? Are you Elijah? John said, “I am not”, are you a prophet?

He answered “No”.

You had the answer to your own question, but doubted John’s reply.

Again you are failing to read the question and not bother to Carefully read those two different replies. Joh gives one answer and Mathew a DIFFERENT!!. Learn to fk read you ignorant bellend!

This is what Mathew states when discussing about John the Baptist:

Matthew 11:14. And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come. So here we read the Mathew is saying that John the Baptist IS Elijah.

And from Mathew drives home his claim:

HERE>>>>. Matthew 17:10-13The disciples asked him, “Why then do the teachers of the law say that Elijah must come first?”

¹¹ Jesus replied, “To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things. ¹² But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.” ¹³ Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist.

But what does Johns gospel say????

 Now this was John’s testimony when the Jewish leaders in Jerusalem sent priests and Levites to ask him who he was. He did not fail to confess, but confessed freely, “I am not the Messiah.” John 1:19-21

²¹ They asked him, “Then who are you? Are you Elijah?”

He said, “I am not.”

“Are you the Prophet?”

He answered, “No.”

So You SEE Mathew say YES and John says NO.

Your problem thicko, is that you are not only pig ignorant, you are incapable of recognising these so obvious contradiction. and you are a simpleton in denial.

Now lets return to the others that you have either failed to answer or simply got wrong, again,

Stephen wrote: Did Jesus bear his own cross?

yes John 19:17

no Matthew 27:31-32

AND

Jesus said:

If I bear witness to myself, my testimony is not true (John 5:3 1)

Even if I do bear witness to myself, my testimony is true (John 8:14).

Was John the Baptist Elijah was to come?

yes Matthew 11:14

no john 1:19-21

The prophecy in Malachi 4:5-6 predicted that Elijah would return before the day of the lord.

Jesus indicated that John fulfilled this role, though not literally being the same person. It was optional.

if you are willing to accept it. Jesus’s words in Matthew 11:14.suggesting that this identification required spiritual understanding from its listeners.

This was clarified why John was asked directly.

then they asked him are you Elijah, John said I am not. John 1:19-21.

AND

jesus said, if I bear witness, my testimony is not true.john 5:31)

even if I bear witness to myself, my testimony is true John 8:14

here Jesus explains the difference.

In John 5:31 If I alone bear witness, my testimony is not true according to ,legal standards.( there should be other witnesses).

In John 8:14 he is stating that his statement is intrinsically true because he is God, even if they reject the requirements for multiple witnesses.

You lack of Bible knowledge is hurting your ability to understand the scriptures. Satan is taking advantage of your ignorance and planting more doubts. Try smacking your head with the Bible so it will sink in deeper than it is.

Was John the Baptist Elijah was to come?

yes Matthew 11:14

no john 1:19-21

Jesus indicated that John fulfilled this role, though not literally being the same person. It was optional.

if you are willing to accept it. Jesus’s words in Matthew 11:14.suggesting that this identification required spiritual understanding from its listeners.

This was clarified why John was asked directly.then they asked him are you Elijah, John said I am not. John 1:19-21.

You are now repeating the contradiction between John's Gospel and that of Matthew.

Just accept it for what it is; a clear contradiction between the gospel writers.

Tell me , these "god inspired" gospels: Did god inspire one author to contradict another?

AND

jesus said, if I bear witness, my testimony is not true.john 5:31)

even if I bear witness to myself, my testimony is true John 8:14

"Debby" wrote:here Jesus explains the difference.

In John 5:31 If I alone bear witness, my testimony is not true according to ,legal standards.( there should be other witnesses).

In John 8:14 he is stating that his statement is intrinsically true because he is God, even if they reject the requirements for multiple witnesses.

You lack of Bible knowledge is hurting your ability to understand the scriptures. Satan is taking advantage of your ignorance and planting more doubts. Try smacking your head with the Bible so it will sink in deeper than it is.

Nope, Again your total lack of observation is letting you down. There must be quite a lot of very shiny things in your room that seem to be distracting you every time I point out the obvious.

There are 66 books in the Bible written by different authors. This allows scholars to corroborate what each author writes against the others.

whether John the Baptist was Elijah is easily answered we’re by him directly when he was asked

john 1:19-21.then they asked him are you Elijah.John said I am not.

that is the most definitive reply and answer given by John himself. Leaving no ifs or buts.

"Debby "wrote: here are 66 books in the Bible written by different authors.

Indeed. And no one in over two thousand years has been able to tell us:

How it was that someone was able to write about at least THREE!! biblical episodes when there were only two beings present on two occasions and only one present on a third ?

(1)Jesus talk with Pilate.

(2) Jesus challenge by the Devil.

(3) Jesus talks with "his father". alone

These events are conveyed to the disciples by Jesus so they would record it. Jesus himself never wrote anything. He too conveyed what was shared by God.

here are 66 books in the Bible written by different authors.

Stephen wrote: Indeed. And no one in over two thousand years has been able to tell us:

How it was that someone was able to write about at least THREE!! biblical episodes when there were only two beings present on two occasions and only one present on a third ?(1)Jesus talk with Pilate.(2) Jesus challenge by the Devil.(3) Jesus talks with "his father". alone

"Debby "wrote: These events are conveyed to the disciples by Jesus so they would record it. Jesus himself never wrote anything. He too conveyed what was shared by God.

Stop lying!. You can't prove a single word of that pile of shite. And you cannot show us a single BIBLICAL reference that this was the case.

There were no witnesses between the conversation that Satan had with Jesus during the temptation.

there were no witnesses between the conversation with Jesus and the Father.

Jesus’s trial was a public one so his conversation with Pilate was in a court.

The details had to be conveyed by Jesus to his disciple who then wrote it in the Gospels.

"Debby " wrote:There were no witnesses between the conversation that Satan had with Jesus during the temptation.

And that is what I have been saying now for 3 pages of posts, you ignorant clown. But it hasn't stopped you inventing stories about how these conversations ended in the New Testament, has it?

"Debby " wrote:there were no witnesses between the conversation with Jesus and the Father.

I know, this what I have been saying now for 3 pages of posts, you ignorant clown. But it hasn't stopped you inventing stories about how these conversations ended in the New Testament, has it?

"Debby " wrote: Jesus’s trial was a public one so his conversation with Pilate was in a court.

Stop lying and inventing things that weren't written.. Jesus and Pilate were alone when this conversation was conducted you lying snide.

They spoke alone in the praetorium of the palace. It was never an" open court" or "in public" you absolute liar.

"Debby " wrote: The details had to be conveyed by Jesus to his disciple who then wrote it in the Gospels..

Is this that "conjecture" that you keep accusing and mocking others for using while not affording your critics the same privilege?

Never the less. You say "the details of the conversation "had to be conveyed", but how was that possible?

The conversation between Jesus and Pontus Pilate occurred during a formal, albeit rushed, legal interrogation (trial) in the Roman Praetorium (the governor’s headquarters) in Jerusalem. It took place in the early morning hours on the morning of the crucifixion. After Jewish leaders brought Jesus to Pilate to secure a death sentence that they could not legally carry out themselves. The dialogue is recorded with the most detail in the Gospel of John (18:28-40)with additional details inthe Synoptic Gospels (Mark, Matthew,Luke). While it was a legal hearing the conversation between Pilate and Jesus was often private, away from the accusers waiting outside to avoid ritual impurity. Read your Bible . It should be your only source.

"Debby" wrote:The conversation between Jesus and Pontus Pilate occurred during a formal, albeit rushed, legal interrogation (trial) in the Roman Praetorium (the governor’s headquarters) in Jerusalem. It took place in the early morning hours on the morning of the crucifixion. After Jewish leaders brought Jesus to Pilate to secure a death sentence that they could not legally carry out themselves. The dialogue is recorded with the most detail in the Gospel of John (18:28-40)with additional details inthe Synoptic Gospels (Mark, Matthew,Luke). While it was a legal hearing the conversation between Pilate and Jesus was often private, away from the accusers waiting outside to avoid ritual impurity. Read your Bible . It should be your only source.

Your AI seems to fail you when it comes to questions its not capable of handling with context or detail. And as incapable as you are at hiding the fact that you have to run to AI with every question I pose you. Proving that you really are bible ignorant and stupid aren't you.

Here you go stupid, from your own? AI reply above: " the conversation between Pilate and Jesus was often private, away from the accusers waiting outside.

So was it just the two alone?

"Debby" wrote: Read your Bible . It should be your only source.

"ONLY SOURCE"!!!! Are you taking the piss? Is all you have ever done is run to AI and never once the bible for answers to my questions.

Everyone knew about the trial of Jesus by Pontus Pilate and it was even recorded in the Bible.

Everyone knew about the trial of Jesus by Pontus Pilate and it was even recorded in the Bible.

But who took the minutes? How does anyone know what was said between the only two people in the room? When there were only two people in the room, you absolute ignorant clown!

"Debby" wrote: Read your Bible . It should be your only source.

"ONLY SOURCE"!!!! Are you taking the piss? Is all you have ever done is run to AI and never once the bible for answers to my questions.

The outcome of the trial was made public and the details conveyed to the Gospel writers. It was also made as court records for historians.

The outcome of the trial was made public and the details conveyed to the Gospel writers.

Are you sure there was an "outcome" to this conversation made in the presence of not a single witness? From my memory the only thing Pilate conveyed to the crowd was that he couldn't find any fault. You can correct me if you like.

It was also made as court records for historians.

So you can these records be sourced on the WWW then, Will you put up a link? Or is this something else that you have made up on the hoof?

It is credible that Sanhedrin documents recording the trial of Jesus existed and that Josephus could have learned of their contents. Jesus’s crucifixion is proof of the trial and the outcome.

All four gospels accounts the trial of Jesus before the priests and scribes is interleaved with the Denial of Peter, where the Apostle Peter denies knowing him three times.

You ha eEven posted the conclusion of the trial where Pilate conveyed to the crowd that he couldn’t find any fault. Proof that he had conducted a trial.

why are you contradicting your own statement of evidence?

It is credible that Sanhedrin documents recording the trial of Jesus existed and that Josephus could have learned of their contents. Jesus’s crucifixion is proof of the trial and the outcome.

Well lets face it , you bible ignorant cretin; just about anything is possible and can be made to appear at least credible, given that these ambiguous, contradictory half told stories in New Testament very rarely make sense as they have been passed down to us.

I mean; you still haven't been able to tell us told us who carried the Cross to Golgotha,

Interesting that you mention Historian Josephus. I bet you have never read a word of his works , either, have you? I have though

All four gospels accounts the trial of Jesus before the priests and scribes is interleaved with the Denial of Peter, where the Apostle Peter denies knowing him three times.

You ha eEven posted the conclusion of the trial where Pilate conveyed to the crowd that he couldn’t find any fault.[.....]why are you contradicting your own statement of evidence?

Im' not contradicting anything you sad sorry lying cretin.

YES. Pilate conveyed his finding and verdict. BUT he did not convey the details of the conversation between himself and Jesus that led him to his verdict. Did he? you absolute bible dunce!

Go away and learn to raed study your bible.

We even have the man who helped Jesus carry the cross. Simon of Cyrene was the man compelled by Roman soldiers to help Jesus carry his cross on the way to Golgotha.as recorded in the Synoptic Gospels (Matthew 27:32, Mark 15:21, Luke 23:26). He was an African man from Cyrene entering Jerusalem from the countryside and was forced to to assist Jesus Christ because Jesus was too weak.

Pilate did cover the details of the conversation with Jesus. It was brief.

Luke 23:3-27

Pilate asked Jesus .

,” Are you king of the Jews?”. Jesus answered, “Yes, what you say is true.” Pilate said to the leading priest and people, “I find nothing wrong with this man.” Read the Bible for details.

All your questions have been answered in the Bible. I have also repeated the answers. But Satan has locked your mind. You are incapable of hearing the truth.

Pilate asked Jesus .

,” Are you king of the Jews?”. Jesus answered, “Yes, what you say is true.” Pilate said to the leading priest and people, “I find nothing wrong with this man.” Read the Bible for details.

Ok I agree. SO? But there was only two people present. So how did these gospel writers know what was supposed to have been said. YOU nor the bible can answer this simple question. AND there are no details in the BIBLE that allows us to know how this conversation was able to be recorded as it is in the gospels.

 Roman soldiers to help Jesus carry his cross on the way to Golgotha.

So was it (A)Simon Or was it (B) Jesus that bared the cross to Golgotha?

In Luke 23:3-7 Pilate speaks to the leading priests and people after his conversation with Jesus. That’s how the details were passed on by Pilate . Which was recorded by Luke.

In Luke 23:3-7 Pilate speaks to the leading priests and people after his conversation with Jesus. That’s how the details were passed on by Pilate . Which was recorded by Luke.

There is no mention of a conversation that was witnessed by no one and no evidence that Pilate shared with anyone what he and Jesus had discussed. STOP LYING!!! Is all he said to both crowd and priests was that he "found no fault" in Jesus

Then the whole multitude of them arose and led Him to Pilate. ² And they began to accuse Him, saying, “We found this fellow perverting ^[a]the nation, and forbidding to pay taxes to Caesar, saying that He Himself is Christ, a King.”

³ Then Pilate asked Him, saying, “Are You the King of the Jews?”

He answered him and said, “It is as you say.”

⁴ So Pilate said to the chief priests and the crowd, “I find no fault in this Man.”

⁵ But they were the more fierce, saying, “He stirs up the people, teaching throughout all Judea, beginning from Galilee to this place".

Luke 23:3-7

You see! There's no mention of Pilate discussing what was said between himself and Jesus,

Simon of Cyrene was the man compelled by Roman soldiers to help Jesus carry his cross on the way to Golgotha.

So was it (A)Simon Or was it (B) Jesus that bared the cross to Golgotha?