After A Dire warning: The Gosples Have Been Added To And Taken Away From.

Stephen wrote: Here's' one that you might like , this is from memory too. In Matthew, Mark and Luke, the last supper is on the first day of Passover. But in John's gospel it takes place a day earlier and Jesus is crucified on the first day of Passover.

Do you see the fkn GLAAARING problem here thicko!? Of course you don't. You're just too stupid.

THICKO DEBBY WROTE: Despite these differences in timing, all four gospels agree that the Crucifixion occurred on a Friday.

The last supper was a private moment. The crucifixion was a public event with more scrutiny. Remember alcohol was served during the last supper and that could have clouded the disciples recollection.

Drunken disciples, that's a new one. LOL.

You just can't see it can you, stupid?

It means there was no "last" supper and the whole fkn story is a much later invention.

Drunken disciples, that's a new one. LOL.

You just can't see it can you, stupid?

It means there was no "last" supper and the whole fkn story is a much later invention.

Here is proof you are distorting the Bible by claiming there was no last supper.

You have totally ignored the warnings in Revelation 22:18-19.

Revelation 22:18-19 (often cited in this context) delivers a severe warning against altering the prophetic book, threatening that 

anyone who adds to it will face the plagues described within, while anyone who removes words will lose their share in the Tree of Life and the Holy City. It emphasizes the integrity and finality of God's word, warning against distorting the text. 

Learn to read.

It says anyone who adds to it will face the plagues described within, while anyone who removes words will lose their share in the Tree of Life and the Holy City. It emphasizes the integrity and finality of God's word, warning against distorting the text. 

Yep, who knows what these sort of people were on, alcohol, hasish, khat...Anything to connect with the spirit realm.

And also odd that this bloke was also able to have a party the day before his execution....Quite frankly the whole last supper story is a latter day contrivance....And of course, so was Leonardo's painting....And of course, so was most of the New testament...Especially the fantasy ending.

Here is proof you are distorting the Bible by claiming there was no last supper.

Nope. The story is still there undistorted, as it was written, in the bible, for any clown to believe if s/he chooses . I am simply pointing out the GLAAAARing contradiction between what John has to say as opposed to that of those "drunken disciples" you mentioned, in the gospels of Matthew , Mark and Luke.

Yep, who knows what these sort of people were on, alcohol, hasish, khat...Anything to connect with the spirit realm.

Indeed Serge. And what about those drunken sailors in the boat that saw Jesus walk on water? They must have had a right goat-skin full.

Matthew14. and the boat was already a considerable distance from land, buffeted by the waves because the wind was against it.

Shortly before dawn Jesus went out to them, walking on the lake. When the disciples saw him walking on the lake, they were terrified. “It’s a ghost,” they said, and cried out in fear.😂😂😂

Yes, Matthew often wrote in the style of Edward Lear...Or vice versa.

This is what you posted in post#31

You just can't see it can you, stupid?

It means there was no "last" supper and the whole fkn story is a much later invention.

You are clearly stating , “there was no "last" supper and the whole fkn story is a much later invention.”

You are clearly stating , “there was no "last" supper and the whole fkn story is a much later invention.”

No. I am showing YOU that if it is as John says that the crucifixion took place on the day before Passover then there simply couldn't have been a "last"supper BECAUSE Matthew, Mark and Luke, state that the last supper was on the first day of Passover.

Time to get your bible out again, Stupid.

You are clearly stating , “there was no "last" supper and the whole fkn story is a much later invention.”

No. I am showing YOU that if it is as John says that the crucifixion took place on the day before Passover then there simply couldn't have been a "last"supper BECAUSE  Matthew, Mark and Luke, state that the last supper was on the first day of Passover.

Time to get your bible out again, Stupid.

How can you say there was no last supper and at the same time say John , Matthew , Mark and Luke all mention the last supper.

Read your own post correctly.

You are clearly stating , “there was no "last" supper and the whole fkn story is a much later invention.”

Then you twist the entire story to include it in all the Gospels.

No. I am showing YOU that if it is as John says that the crucifixion took place on the day before Passover then there simply couldn't have been a "last"supper BECAUSE  Matthew, Mark and Luke, state that the last supper was on the first day of Passover.

Get your head examined.

You have totally ignored the warnings in Revelation 22:18-19.

Revelation 22:18-19 (often cited in this context) delivers a severe warning against altering the prophetic book, threatening that 

anyone who adds to it will face the plagues described within, while anyone who removes words will lose their share in the Tree of Life and the Holy City. It emphasizes the integrity and finality of God's word, warning against distorting the text. 

Learn to read.

It says anyone who adds to it will face the plagues described within, while anyone who removes words will lose their share in the Tree of Life and the Holy City. It emphasizes the integrity and finality of God's word, warning against distorting the text. 

You are clearly stating , “there was no "last" supper and the whole fkn story is a much later invention.”

Then you twist the entire story to include it in all the Gospels.

NOPE! I have "twisted nothing.

I said clearly in post one (1) >>>>In Matthew, Mark and Luke, the last supper is on the first day of Passover. But in John's gospel it takes place a day earlier and Jesus is crucified on the first day of Passover.

If Jesus was crucified the day BEFORE Passover, Then Jesus and the disciples could have had a "LAST SUPPER- if he was dead.

On the first day of the Festival of Unleavened Bread, the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Where do you want us to make preparations for you to eat the Passover?” Nisan 15 Matthew 26;17. Luke and ,Mark say the same.

BUT John says different

JOHN19:14 It was the day of Preparation of the Passover; it was about noon.

“Here is your king,” Pilate said to the Jews. NISAN14

Get your bible out stupid.

Read your post#31

You just can't see it can you, stupid?

It means there was no "last" supper and the whole fkn story is a much later invention.

You even described its meaning in you post, “It means there was no "last" supper and the whole fkn story is a much later invention.”

Then you contradict yourself by pointing to the last supper happening according to the different disciples accounts.

Try to keep your limited knowledge of the Bible updated.

NOPE!!! I have said it couldn't have taken place if because JOHN says different, I have shown you both versions.

HERE THEY ARE AGAIN>

On the first day of the Festival of Unleavened Bread, the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Where do you want us to make preparations for you to eat the Passover?” Nisan 15 Matthew 26;17. Luke and ,Mark say the same.

BUT John says different

JOHN19:14 It was the day of Preparation of the Passover; it was about noon.

“Here is your king,” Pilate said to the Jews. NISAN14

Get your bible out stupid.

NOPE!!! I have said it couldn't have taken place if because JOHN says different, I have shown you both versions.

Read your post#31

You just can't see it can you, stupid?

It means there was no "last" supper and the whole fkn story is a much later invention.

NOPE!!! I have said it couldn't have taken place if because JOHN says different, I have shown you both versions.

Read your post#31

You just can't see it can you, stupid?

It means there was no "last" supper and the whole fkn story is a much later invention.

That's correct. Jesus couldn't have had the last supper if John says that he was already dead, could he? You absolute moron!

HERE THEY ARE AGAIN>

On the first day of the Festival of Unleavened Bread, the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Where do you want us to make preparations for you to eat the Passover?” Nisan 15 Matthew 26;17. Luke and ,Mark say the same.

BUT John says different

JOHN19:14 It was the day of Preparation of the Passover; it was about noon.

“Here is your king,” Pilate said to the Jews. NISAN14

Get your bible out stupid.

You just confirmed your position.

You just can't see it can you, stupid?

It means there was no "last" supper and the whole fkn story is a much later invention.

Then you confirm that by saying Jesus is already dead

That's correct. Jesus couldn't have had the last supper if John says that he was already dead, could he? You absolute moron! 

Why can’t you stick with what the Bible says that there was Jesus and the disciples at the last supper ?

Instead of arguing with yourself backed by nothing but your lack of education and poor comprehension of the Bible.

Why can’t you stick with what the Bible says that there was Jesus and the disciples at the last supper ?

I am. So Why can't you simply admit that John's gospel says Jesus was crucified before the last supper was supposed to have taken place?

LOOK stupid>>>On the first day of the Festival of Unleavened Bread, the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Where do you want us to make preparations for you to eat the Passover?” Nisan 15 Matthew 26;17. Luke and ,Mark say the same.

BUT John says different

JOHN19:14 From then on, Pilate tried to set Jesus free, but the Jewish leaders kept shouting, “If you let this man go, you are no friend of Caesar. Anyone who claims to be a king opposes Caesar.”

 When Pilate heard this, he brought Jesus out and sat down on the judge’s seat at a place known as the Stone Pavement (which in Aramaic is Gabbatha).  It was the day of Preparation of the Passover; it was about noon.NISAN14

On the first day of the Festival of Unleavened Bread, the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Where do you want us to make preparations for you to eat the Passover?” Nisan 15 Matthew 26;17. Luke and ,Mark say the same.

john also mentions the last supper as early as John 13:1

John describes the Last Supper in John 13–17, focusing on events unique to his account like the foot-washing, rather than the institution of the Eucharist. John places this meal on the night before the Passover, specifically stating it occurred before the Passover feast, highlighting Jesus as the lamb sacrificed on the Day of Preparation (John 13:1, 19:14).

BUT John says different

JOHN19:14 From then on, Pilate tried to set Jesus free, but the Jewish leaders kept shouting, “If you let this man go, you are no friend of Caesar. Anyone who claims to be a king opposes Caesar.”

 When Pilate heard this, he brought Jesus out and sat down on the judge’s seat at a place known as the Stone Pavement (which in Aramaic is Gabbatha).  It was the day of Preparation of the Passover; it was about noon.NISAN14

Was the Last Supper the same day as Passover?

John's gospel stresses that the Last Supper was eaten before the Feast of Passover. See 13:1, 21; 18:18; 19:14, 31, 42. John refers to this as the Preparation Day of the Passover.Mar 22, 2011

Learn to read your Bible. You are getting the two events mixed you. The last supper was mention by John in 13:1 and the Passover much later in John 19:1. After the last supper was celebrated by Jesus and the disciples.

Was the Last Supper the same day as Passover?

So? and John's gospel says Jesus was dead :

"From then on, Pilate tried to set Jesus free, but the Jewish leaders kept shouting, “If you let this man go, you are no friend of Caesar. Anyone who claims to be a king opposes Caesar.”

 When Pilate heard this, he brought Jesus out and sat down on the judge’s seat at a place known as the Stone Pavement (which in Aramaic is Gabbatha).  It was the day of Preparation of the Passover; it was about noon.NISAN14

Was the Last Supper the same day as Passover?

You are confusing the Last Supper with the Passover meal. The Lords supper was not the same as the Passover meal. It took place before the Passover celebration.

John 13:1 seems to corroborate this, since, Jesus is said to have washed the feet of his disciples and had the Last Supper, “before the Feast of the Passover.” Since the Last Supper took place before the Passover, it clearly cannot be a Passover meal.

John further dates the crucifixion to the “day of Preparation of the Passover” (John 19:14), that is, on the day before Passover (i.e. Thursday), which would mean that the Last Supper took place on the Wednesday night of Passion Week, full day before the official Passover meal.

The Chronology of the Synoptic Gospels

First, the Synoptic Gospels are unequivocal in their testimony that the Last Supper took place “on the first day of Unleavened Bread, when they sacrifice the Passover lamb,” and the disciples are explicitly told “to go and prepare the Passover” (Mark 14:12-16; cf. Matt. 26:17-19; Luke 22:7-13; Josephus, Ant. 16.6.2 §§163–64).

The Last Supper (Leonardo da Vinci)

The painting represents the scene of the Last Supper of Jesus with the Twelve Apostles, as it is told in the Gospel of John

Note: Jesus was present and hosting the dinner.

You are confusing the Last Supper with the Passover meal.

FFS! stop it. HERE>> from you own beloved AI

The Last Supper is widely considered to be a Passover meal, or Seder, in the Synoptic Gospels (Matthew, Mark, and Luke), which state that Jesus and his disciples gathered to eat the Passover lamb. 

You just can't stop telling fkn lies and making shite up on the hoof can you? I'm surprised you haven't told us that the disciples had had a bit too much to drink and were confused when reminiscing about Jesus' going away party.

Oh sorry, you've already used that bullshit excuse , haven't you:

HERE>>>> The lying THICKO Debby wrote: "alcohol was served during the last supper and that could have clouded the disciples" recollection".

HERE>>>> https://www.debatecraft.com/forum/c/religion/posts/qb/after-a-dire-warning-the-gosples-have-been-added-to-and-taken-away-from?page=2&comment_number=31

The Last Supper is widely considered to be a Passover meal, or Seder, in the Synoptic Gospels (Matthew, Mark, and Luke), which state that Jesus and his disciples gathered to eat the Passover lamb. 

There you posted it yourself that Jesus and his disciples gathered to eat the Passover lamb. This happened before Jesus’s trial which came about after Judas betrayed Jesus. Jesus even pointed to this betrayal at the last supper he had with his disciples.

There might be another cause for what you are going through besides your lack of education and poor Bible comprehension.

https://www.debatecraft.com/forum/c/religion/posts/pd/what-should-we-make-of-the-fact-the-bible-characters-thought-the-end-was-near?page=1&comment_number=13

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DEBBY WROTE: You are confusing the Last Supper with the Passover meal.

Stephen wrote: FFS! stop it. HERE>> from you own beloved AI The Last Supper is widely considered to be a Passover meal, or Seder, in the Synoptic Gospels (Matthew, Mark, and Luke), which state that Jesus and his disciples gathered to eat the Passover lamb. 

DEBBY WROTE: There you posted it yourself that Jesus and his disciples gathered to eat the Passover lamb

Yes. which is the Passover meal. you clown. Stop denying what is actually written in the bible.

Oh btw. I'm anxious about nothing. If anyone is in a panic it is you sunshine. You are the one that appears to be angry because I insist on highlighting all these BIBLICAL contradictions, and unambiguous half told stories from the BIBLE.

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Stephen wrote: FFS! stop it. HERE>> from you own beloved AI The Last Supper is widely considered to be a Passover meal, or Seder, in the Synoptic Gospels (Matthew, Mark, and Luke), which state that Jesus and his disciples gathered to eat the Passover lamb. 

So how can Jesus both be dead and present with his disciples gathered to eat the Passover Lamb.

Besides:

Synoptic Gospel Accounts: Matthew (26:17–29), Mark (14:12–25), and Luke (22:7–38) all provide consistent details of the meal, identifying it as a Passover meal occurring shortly before Jesus' crucifixion.

You even want to deny Jesus his last supper. That is your degree of hate.

While some details of the Last Supper, such as the exact timing (Wednesday vs. Thursday) or specific menu, are debated, the historical evidence is widely accepted as showing that a meal did occur.

So how can Jesus both be dead and present with his disciples gathered to eat the Passover Lamb.

That'll be the last supper, stupid.

and that's another one of those biblical dilemmas, isn't it thicky> and something that you'll have to take up with the writer of John's gospel. John has Jesus tied and crucified the day before.

So how can Jesus both be dead and present with his disciples gathered to eat the Passover Lamb.

That'll be the last supper, stupid.

and that's another one of those biblical dilemmas, isn't it thicky> and something that you'll have to take up with the writer of John's gospel. John has Jesus tied and crucified the day before.

John the Apostle was present at the Last Supper

. He is often identified as the "disciple whom Jesus loved" (John 13:23) who reclined next to Jesus and leaned against his chest to ask who would betray him. John 13:23-25 explicitly describes this interaction during the meal. 

There you have it. Even John was present at the last supper and (John 13:23-25) explicitly describes this interaction during the meal.

Learn to Read your Bible . And don’t deny what is clearly writing in the Bible. Jesus was there with his disciples including John the day before his crucifixion.

John the Apostle was present at the Last Supper

. He is often identified as the "disciple whom Jesus loved" (John 13:23) who reclined next to Jesus and leaned against his chest to ask who would betray him. John 13:23-25 explicitly describes this interaction during the meal. 

There you have it.

No. We don't have it you clown. You are now claiming the the disciple John is also the author of John's gospel., No one knows who wrote any of the gospels they are all anonymous.

You keep forgetting that your beloved AI doesn't read, but does as it told.

Even John was present at the last supper and (John 13:23-25) explicitly describes this interaction during the meal.

Learn to Read your Bible . And don’t deny what is clearly writing in the Bible. Jesus was there with his disciples including John the day before his crucifixion.

Look. If johns gospel states that Jesus was tried and crucified and died BEFORE the last supper, then they couldn't have been both author and disciple. Or was he also too drunk to remember after downing all that wine at Jesus' going away party?

No. We don't have it you clown. You are now claiming the the disciple John is also the author of John's gospel., No one knows who wrote any of the gospels they are all anonymous.

You keep forgetting that your beloved AI doesn't read, but does as it told.

Even John was present at the last supper and (John 13:23-25) explicitly describes this interaction during the meal.

Learn to Read your Bible . And don’t deny what is clearly writing in the Bible. Jesus was there with his disciples including John the day before his crucifixion.

They were together at the last supper which proves Jesus was alive and was gathered at his last supper with his disciples. The author of the Fourth Gospel is identified as John the Apostle

 (son of Zebedee), who is believed to be the "beloved disciple" mentioned throughout the text.

Look. If johns gospel states that Jesus was tried and crucified and died BEFORE the last supper, then they couldn't have been both author and disciple. Or was he also too drunk to remember after downing all that wine at Jesus' going away party?

Jesus was not tried and crucified and died BEFORE the last supper. You are wrong about John 13.

During the Last Supper, as recorded in John 13, Jesus washed his disciples' feet, demonstrating profound humility and serving as an "acted parable" of his mission. By performing this task, typically reserved for servants, he showed love to the end, foreshadowed his death, and set a mandate for his followers to serve one another. 

What happened during the last supper is fully described in John 13. Jesus was present with his disciples during his last supper. Learn to accept facts and learn to accept when you are proven wrong. The Bible details the washing of the feet during the last supper that Jesus introduced as a ritual.

Jesus was not tried and crucified and died BEFORE the last supper.

Not according to John's gospel.

Tell me thicko, what is the reason for baptism?

People get baptized as a public declaration of their faith in Jesus Christ, symbolizing an inward spiritual cleansing, the forgiveness of sins, and the beginning of a new life. It acts as an outward sign of obedience to Jesus' command, representing being buried with Him in death and raised with Him in resurrection.

Keeping in mind that there were no Christians in Jesus' time and that Jesus was a full blown Jew,  is that the reason given in the bible.

YES or NO?

Read your Bible. It was John the Baptist who introduced baptism.

John the Baptist is identified in the New Testament as the figure who introduced the specific ministry of baptism, calling for repentance and baptizing people in the Jordan River. While rooted in Jewish ceremonial purification (mikveh), John's baptism was unique as a one-time ceremony initiating followers in preparation for the Messiah.

John's baptism was unique as a one-time ceremony initiating followers in preparation for the Messiah.

So you are saying baptism has nothing at all to do with cleansing of sins?

So who gave John the authority to preform baptisms?

And who baptised John?