1990s-2000s Nostalgia Mafia (DP2)

i can 100 percent promise you he is confirmed scum unless David bastard modded

i can 100 percent promise you he is confirmed scum unless David bastard modded

Then give me the evidence. I'm fine mistrusting my Cop result if you've got something significant, but so far, I haven't seen anything.

Vote Count

Not voting: (6/6): ILikePie, Awesome5000, Airmax1227, Rex, Mikal, Whiteflame 

With 6 players alive it takes 4 to lynch.

Day phase 2 will end on Saturday 9/20/2025 @ 6:00 PM EST unless there is a majority. 

It's late and I'm tired. I'll give Mikal the time he needs to write up everything he's got and I can address it in the morning. Tomorrow, everyone should be in on that discussion at some point.

Okay here we go

1) Max is town lock. I know this because of the time he posted in the first DP. It was 6:00 clock and he gets back from his gfs around 6:00 most Sundays. He does not have access to debate craft on his phone and can't log in or post on discord. So he would not have seen anything and he would not have time to come up with a fake claim that fast. Add into that his behavioral tells, I've known him for years and now he is confirming exactly what david told me about role blocks. No one will be informed they are role blocked. Which is retarted and why I was annoyed at the start of the DP. Anyway. I will die on the Max is town hill and im considering him locked and if im wrong then ill eat it. But nothing is changing my mind on this.

2) I lied about my role. I am popular, caroler, and I cannot die at night. The portion I lied about is how my role works. Not everyone gets my results. Only town gets my results. The other thing that makes my results not go through is if someone moved that night.

a) mafia cant hear me

b) only town can hear me

c) town can't hear me if they move

The reason I picked awesome was because it made more sense to use the role as a cop than praying I get town that was not moving (which seems to have been a good choice). He hinted the first DP he could not move at night.

See above

Awesome did not move - he should have heard results as town

If awesome did not move and did not hear results

he is scum, I was roleblocked, or he was moving which he said he did not do

I cannot have been role blocked along with Max

Max is town lock

Awesome is scum. I can't think of a way that he is not scum at this point.

Also why I was okay with pushing supa. If he was scum, great. If not then we had a mislynch out of the town pile.

Heavily means WF tried to town lock him to force a mislynch.

3) that leaves who is the last scum

I want pies role. Because he was softing innocent child like a mother fucker. If he does not flip innocent child tomorrow, we kill him. If he does.

That locks Pie Myself and Max - Game is done from poe.

To note the only fear I have is a 3-2-1 scenario and if we hit the TP and not mafia. We still lose

But I cannot fathom a world where my action did not go through. I was livid at david because he would not tell me I was role blocked. I asked him was If I roleblocked and got the same exact thing max was told. I have never seen a game where a roleblock is not told to you.

Makes my role literally useless since almost everyone in fucking town and move and I have no idea if I was even targeted. But the one thing that helps with this. Is Max tried to add me and did not add me. So that confirms, something stopped his role from working so I could not have been role blocked

The only thing that scares me about this is who usnaid shot. Cus unsaid died from shooting town and that was his top scum read.

But barring fuckery, I don't know what else to believe. It's quite possible Mod is doing dumb shit, but unless just absolute levels of dumb balance or mod fuckery. Awesome should be confirmed scum.

Oh why I said pie. Was hoping I could get a bait and scum to just say random results. Was a long shot but was praying

I couldn't help myself, had to hop back on and check.

Honestly, the case you're making looks pretty solid against Awesome. I understand why you were keeping the details secret (though I'll note I was calling out how the Caroler didn't work on targets that visit at night back when you claimed initially, the "this doesn't work on scum" twist is distinct).

At this point, it's mainly a matter of whether I buy that this is your actual role and this is what actually happened last NP. Frankly, I agree with what many people have already said about this: I don't think there are this many protective and investigative roles, and each of us has one of each. Either the balance is way off or someone's lying, and given we have a flip for each, our claims in particular stand out.

So if you're telling the truth, and you've certainly been hinting at something this important all DP long, then your case is stronger than mine regarding Awesome. My Cop could have been manipulated in more ways than your Caroler.

As for the conclusions you've drawn from that, they largely make sense. Where I'm struggling most, though, is with the absence of REF in any of these posts. You've got strong reasons for townreading Max. Fine. I'll set aside any uncertainty regarding Pie's claim for now and assume it will confirm him. Why does REF uniquely escape your notice?

Now I'm really off for the night. Going to want ppl's thoughts on this analysis from Mikal because it changes a few things and explains some of what he's done this DP.

Because If awesome heard me

we would have a Poe of 3 people and the game is done

if he didn’t hear me , he’s scum and dies

if pie doesn’t flip affiliation confirm tomorrow. He’s scum. If he does. It’s you or ref and we still have Poe

I am confirmed popular and have been saying this is my role since dp1. On god though I don’t know why he designed it this way (I actually love the mechanic) but if every fucking person moves what is the point lol.

why I didn’t want to gamble with it and hope a town heard it. Better to pick the only person who said they can’t move at night and check to see if he’s town.

1) Max is town lock. I know this because of the time he posted in the first DP. It was 6:00 clock and he gets back from his gfs around 6:00 most Sundays. He does not have access to debate craft on his phone and can't log in or post on discord. So he would not have seen anything and he would not have time to come up with a fake claim that fast. Add into that his behavioral tells, I've known him for years and now he is confirming exactly what david told me about role blocks. No one will be informed they are role blocked. Which is retarted and why I was annoyed at the start of the DP. Anyway. I will die on the Max is town hill and im considering him locked and if im wrong then ill eat it. But nothing is changing my mind on this.

I'm just going to point out that I don't care for this type of IRL analysis. Mike and I talk regularly, so he knows my schedule etc, and I'm not going to disagree with the validity of this, nor will I push back against it (there are details that aren't exactly accurate, but the conclusion is accurate enough), since it is a case arguing I'm town, which I am, but I still don't care for it since its outside of the game directly - just like the mod psych/error analysis which I also don't like... Anyways, just wanted to point that out.

Otherwise the case against Awesome by Mikal at this point is compelling, certainly more compelling than the rando wagon I started last DP that got derailed.

I'll point out also that Whiteflame makes a good argument why he isn't Awesome's scum buddy. I'm going to give more thought to whom the 2nd scum might be and get back to ya'll later.

Vote Count

Not voting: (6/6): ILikePie, Awesome5000, Airmax1227, Rex, Mikal, Whiteflame 

With 6 players alive it takes 4 to lynch.

Day phase 2 will end on Saturday 9/20/2025 @ 6:00 PM EST unless there is a majority. 

Just thought of this as welll

not sure how much left we need to discuss but if he flips godfather or lawyer etc. you are basically town lock.

then we have 3 people who are locked and then depending if pie is confirmed by innocent child. The game is done

Anyway I don’t see a world where anyone changes my mind.

if my role worked as intended awesome should be lock scum

max could not recruit me so unless an anti claim was used to stop him and a rb hit me. That is the only scenario I can think of where awesome not receiving anything makes sense. That or awesome disabled his pm or also moved. In which case he lied and there is nothing I can do at that point.

vtl awesome

picked the best possible target to solve because of what he claimed. If I’m wrong then I’m curious to see what affected it. But largely anything anyone says is not moving my vote and now we have pie who has basically all but claimed innocent child and if awesome flips anything to justify a cop we can have 1 or 2 more town locks with max and myself.

happy to throw it up to the wind at this point.

Vote Count

Awesome (1/4) Mikal

Not voting: (5/6): ILikePie, Awesome5000, Airmax1227, Rex, Whiteflame 

With 6 players alive it takes 4 to lynch.

Day phase 2 will end on Saturday 9/20/2025 @ 6:00 PM EST unless there is a majority. 

The part of this that is still bothering me most is that you said, proof positive, we'd be down to two people at this point. You've been saying that almost the entire DP. Now, though, you've started hedging. You acknowledge that REF remains in POE, so it's down to three: Awesome, REF and me. Assuming that's all accurate, I have to ask again: why aren't you interested in getting REF's claim this DP? I get that what happened with your role implicates Awesome, but again, regardless of whether it's 4-2 or 3-1-2, we're at MYLO. I've full claimed, so has Awesome. Why are you treating REF as an outlier that doesn't matter until next DP?

I'm just going to point out that I don't care for this type of IRL analysis. Mike and I talk regularly, so he knows my schedule etc, and I'm not going to disagree with the validity of this, nor will I push back against it (there are details that aren't exactly accurate, but the conclusion is accurate enough), since it is a case arguing I'm town, which I am, but I still don't care for it since its outside of the game directly - just like the mod psych/error analysis which I also don't like... Anyways, just wanted to point that out.

I don't much appreciate this type of analysis, either. Mikal really leans into it just about every game. I'll have a rule against that in my game when it comes up.

Realized I miswrote that. If we're at 4-2, we're at MYLO, if we're at 3-1-2, we're at LYLO. Since we must lynch, they're functionally the same anyway.

Pie has said he can’t move almost in full.

I think ref claiming largely does nothing. We have all said what we can did. If he’s scum

hes going to fabricate something to match that now or tomorrow. If he’s town, it’s one other thing scum have to account for.

it will larger solve nothing. We have to hope awesome is scum. Outside of bastard modding or just pure lack of balance. Awesome should flip scum

pie will be confirmed innocent child or not tomorrow

and then if his role has lawyer or godfather and you are validated

either way we win this by Poe primarily cus of pies claim.

giving scum more potential info when it won’t matter by Poe anyway is largely useless.

whether he claims what he did now or claims what he did tomorrow. It doesn’t matter. If he claims now it’s actually easier for him to lie if he’s scum cus we all said our night actions. If he claims tomorrow at least there will be shit he can’t account for. Assuming he’s an active role. Fuck even if he’s passive he could claim Something that doesn’t match up. Fact is him claiming how allows him to come up with a pretty easy fake claim as scum and if he’s town. It just harms us

Ngl. If i know something affects my read. Ima say it. If I can’t I’ll just bullshit a reason lol.

it’s impossible not to act or operate on something that impacts your perception of someone. It’s just whether I fabricate a town read or don’t.

So, basically, because you have what you view as absolute proof that Awesome is scum, the rest of us should just buy into it and not even consider a completely unclaimed player who is still in even your POE? I really don't get this, dude. If he's going to fabricate a claim as scum, then why aren't you interested in taking the time to interrogate that claim this DP? We have plenty of time to discuss it, and we have Pie's claim still in the wings. Why wait? Hell, even your final argument that "there will be shit he can't account for" doesn't make sense to me. Why not push him to claim and then hold him to what he tells us he can do next DP?

1) do you think he is going to claim something as scum that doesn’t line up with what’s been claimed. You either think he’s retarted or just not paying attention if so. Literally every night action has been said

2) there could be a small margin of error in what I did. Max being anti claimed and me being role blocked. But at that rate. 3 people dying and my role past that being useless. Not much I can do.

3) why do you think locking him into something now is better when we can lock him into it tomorrow and awesome is today’s lycnh regardless? He won’t have tomorrows night actions and has to claim or validate what someone did. We have him claim first and if anything is inconsistent we caught him. On the chance he is town. It’s telling mafia how to fuck with his role and exposing him to anti claimed shit when we already have today’s target.

4) if pie claims anything but innocent child I’m prob outright killing him. He literally said his role is used on dp3 and he’s affil lock. Not worried about by pie. He will die tomorrow or not

if pie is confirmed then it’s between you and ref and I’d rather have ref caught in a lie that giving him the chance to plan something

I'd like others to chime in on this. Can anyone think of a single reason why REF shouldn't claim this DP? Has anyone even seen him soft his role?

I do want pie to role claim. Don’t care about his character or justification.

Pie has put himself in a corner

he has

claimed a role that was affiliation confirmable. Very few do that

claimed a role that operates or gets use dp3. As scum he could be saying that knowing today is mylo and he just needs to get to tomorrow. But now that I have said damming evidence which is why I wanted to get wait to say it all. He’s kinda fucked

needed him to soft claim or claim as much as possible to tie him to that so he coudnt move

and needed to validate awesome was or wasn’t town

basically just hard locks pie into that claim

1) do you think he is going to claim something as scum that doesn’t line up with what’s been claimed. You either think he’s retarted or just not paying attention if so. Literally every night action has been said

By that logic, why bother having him claim at all? He's always going to be able to fake a claim because he has all other claims on the table. That's as true this DP as it is next. At least if he claims this DP, he gets held to what he's claimed next DP.

2) there could be a small margin of error in what I did. Max being anti claimed and me being role blocked. But at that rate. 3 people dying and my role past that being useless. Not much I can do.

...so you acknowledge a margin of error in the very way you think you solved the game, but aren't interested in getting as much information as possible about the only player in your POE who hasn't claimed?

3) why do you think locking him into something now is better when we can lock him into it tomorrow and awesome is today’s lycnh regardless? He won’t have tomorrows night actions and has to claim or validate what someone did. We have him claim first and if anything is inconsistent we caught him. On the chance he is town. It’s telling mafia how to fuck with his role and exposing him to anti claimed shit when we already have today’s target.

Why are you so concerned about what scum will do with his night actions over ensuring that we get this lynch right? Losing the utility of a night action has to play second fiddle to that, right? You just acknowledged that there's a non-zero chance that your strategy may not have yielded an accurate result.

4) if pie claims anything but innocent child I’m prob outright killing him. He literally said his role is used on dp3 and he’s affil lock. Not worried about by pie. He will die tomorrow or not

I'm setting Pie aside for now. He's at least heavily implied his role. What does REF have in his favor here?

1) the part about him validating shit now or tomorrow is true but it’s also at the risk of exposing him To anti claim. Unless he outright says something that catches someone. What has isn’t relevant today. If he had that He would have already said it.

the only thing claiming today does is expose him to anti claim if he’s town

2) you explain how anything he says affects what happened. I invite him to say something that affected it. If I’m wrong. As a scum hes just going to shut up and let it ride. The only person who would say something is town. So sure if he has info that changes my analysis. I invite him to claim or speak up

3) you tell me how him claiming helps get the lynch right? If he had relevant info he would say it. As scum if the lynch is wrong he doesn’t speak anyway.

Please explain to me both scenarios.

as town I concede. If he has something that altered last night. He should speak up

as scum. Please explain in which case he would ever derail a mislynch and what him fake claiming does to contribute to finding out I’m wrong. Any scenario you can imagine.