Got it. Instead of just claiming popular town if I were popular scum. I would have wasted a partners fake claim to claim somrthing that stuck out like a sore thumb at the start of the game.
Vote Count
Awesome (1/4) Mikal
Not voting: (5/6): ILikePie, Awesome5000, Airmax1227, Rex, Whiteflame
With 6 players alive it takes 4 to lynch.
Day phase 2 will end on Saturday 9/20/2025 @ 6:00 PM EST unless there is a majority.
"Kohai, your entrance to the thread was legendary, you had a solve and a winning PoE right when you showed up, super impressive stuff, even more so considering it wasn't even your objective!!" - Zrein
Got it. Instead of just claiming popular town if I were popular scum. I would have wasted a partners fake claim to claim somrthing that stuck out like a sore thumb at the start of the game.
...unless, of course, you could call two players as town early on, give yourself a mess of towncred before you claimed (with two players who have since been killed off in the night), then use the fake claim with the express aim of making it count the following DP while avoiding having your partner claim at all costs (or just waiting for all the claims to be out so that your partner could fake claim without any chance of being CC'd). Or you could have just winged it and claimed Caroler without a fake claim to base it off of. It's a little riskier, but the difference is not dramatic.
My goal here is not to say that you are proof positive scum. I'm explicitly not going down this rabbit hole to explain that you must be scum because you could have done all this. I'm pointing to reasons why you should not be dismissed you as obvious town. If you've got some basis for confirming yourself as town that I'm unaware of, be my guest and present it.
Town locking two players that flipped town when I largely would have avoided that as scum so the Poe is larger.
Now we're just getting into pure WIFOM. You can claim that town-locking two players who died and flipped town in the night makes you obvious town, but given that both of them died in the night, I'm hesitant to give you that much credit. Having other options available to you that would have looked scummier on their face doesn't change my mind.
I’m swamped at work today plus the girl is in town this evening. I’ll catch up later tonight.
DO NOT VOTE UNLESS YOU ARE 100% SURE THAT PERSON IS MAFIA
Because town locking them as scum which then would force me to only kill them makes a lot of sense?
If you thought it could get you fully townread as a result, sure, why not?
it’s just the reaching
I am confirmed popular (that portion of my role is locked). So you are theorizing that as as confirmed popular scum. I took my partners fake claim, claimed an insane role to blend with the popular (which would take his fake clam) , have softed everything I said up until this point. In addition to town locking 2 people which then forced us to target them to take them out of the pool I put them in?
Why on earth would Mikal fakeclaim bulletproof as scum if he were going this route? It literally has no utility to scum, aside from making their role even more ridiculous and sus. It has utility as a town because it would dissuade the NK.
I am confirmed popular (that portion of my role is locked). So you are theorizing that as as confirmed popular scum. I took my partners fake claim, claimed an insane role to blend with the popular (which would take his fake clam) , have softed everything I said up until this point. In addition to town locking 2 people which then forced us to target them to take them out of the pool I put them in?
You can call it reaching if you want. Literally all you have to be is confirmed popular scum. If you are scum, the rest of this would just be built off of the towncred you gained from pointing out two players who were effectively mod-confirmed and building a plan to railroad someone the following DP with that fake claim. As for town-locking Luna and Thoth, effectively pre-selecting your NK targets is not out of the question.
But again, all this is WIFOM. You believe you're town confirmed. I do not. I think it's more likely you're town than not, but I can't just remove you from my POE given everything I know. I have no idea if you used your Caroler because no one got results, so literally the only element we can confirm is Popular, which has been scum several times in previous games. That confirmation doesn't move the needle.
Why on earth would Mikal fakeclaim bulletproof as scum if he were going this route? It literally has no utility to scum, aside from making their role even more ridiculous and sus. It has utility as a town because it would dissuade the NK.
It would explain why he's not the target of the NK despite claiming Caroler.
Going to be busy for the next few hours with work, taking a break from this. Still looking for anyone else to chime in.
I gave my piece, choose who you want to believe
I don’t really want to defend myself because I simply don’t care that much at this point lmao
Big help, thanks. Not even going to provide any idea of who you think is scum at this point? It’s one thing if you don’t want to defend yourself, it’s another entirely to just sit this one out.
Like I said if he’s town. We already lost.
I am town. I know my results. We had 3 deaths in a night phase which is lol and max could not use his role. So if I also had something that made me not act so I’m assuming things incorrectly. It is what it is.
kinda want to move on to the next game anyway. This game is role madness and I have no idea if I was roleblocked
ready to move on and be happy it’s right or just be happy the game is done
He’s making me feel ready to throw up my hands and allow this to move through, but just because Awesome can’t be bothered to embody his name and actually engage to any degree doesn’t mean I’m going to just lynch him. We’ve got two other players. I want Max and Pie in the discussion. Until then, I won’t post a vote.
Vote Count
Awesome (1/4) Mikal
Not voting: (5/6): ILikePie, Awesome5000, Airmax1227, Rex, Whiteflame
With 6 players alive it takes 4 to lynch.
Day phase 2 will end on Saturday 9/20/2025 @ 6:00 PM EST unless there is a majority.
"Kohai, your entrance to the thread was legendary, you had a solve and a winning PoE right when you showed up, super impressive stuff, even more so considering it wasn't even your objective!!" - Zrein
Alright, before I read the DP, I reread DP1 to see if there was any indication of who Unsaid and Luna targeted.
Unsaid’s scumread in his last post was Luna, so logically, he shot Luna, and Luna as the flip shows is town. Not much to analyze there, but it’s the best logic out there
Lunatic’s last sorta scumread was on me. So logically, he roleblocked me last night. Didn’t matter cause there were a million kills. I’d like to take the town cred but it’s speculation, so I’ll leave it.
With that said, it seems both Luna’s and Unsaid’s roles were quote on quote affiliation checkers to a certain extent. Combined with a known Watcher, Tracker, Caroler, and Cop, it’s definitely wayyy too many town investigative roles
Shooting you when you claimed is one thing, since that was betting on whether you were telling the truth. Going into a DP with two flips that CC each of the roles I’m planning to claim and two existing claims on the table that do the same and going ahead with the dual fake claim anyway would be beyond anything I’ve ever tried before, particularly in a game like this where I, as scum, would only need one mislynch to end this and attention on me detracts from that.
It’s WIFOM, yes, but damn, this would be the worst informed fake claim choice I’ve ever decided to go ahead with.
Max to me is mod confirmed town for the simple fact that David basically stated in the OP that Max’s role exists.
Mikal is also someone who is nearly town confirmed to me. Just because of David’s comment about not discussing PM structure. Is there a world where he could be scum? It’s possible, but the risks that would entail make absolutely no sense to me. Why town confirm 2 players. Why claim off the bat. It doesn’t make sense.
From where I’m sitting, I genuinely doubt whether both yours and Mikal’s roles exist in the game. So either you’re scum or Mikal is scum from where I’m sitting at. However, if you’re both town, then from my POV it has to be exactly Awesome/REF.
Basically, my solve is Awesome + WF/REF
Also means if there is a tp and we hit them and not scum. We still lose
If there’s a TP SK, then it makes sense for there to only be 1 mafia member due to the sheer number of kills and balancing issues (though David clearly doesn’t know how to balance). It’s still speculation.
my role either enables or disables day chat for everyone
i did not disable day chat
Why not?
Will you claim your role not character
Are you saying you were role blocked?
Lunatic’s last sorta scumread was on me. So logically, he roleblocked me last night. Didn’t matter cause there were a million kills. I’d like to take the town cred but it’s speculation, so I’ll leave it.
pretty sure this may be a slip
Agree with Post 125 from Mikal. That result is very damning.
1) Timing is irrelevant to me. But mod confirmed there’s something that causes day chats for another faction. Could be a TP Neighborizer, but then the 3rd kill doesn’t make sense. Claim and everything check out
2) I’ve been saying from the beginning that Awesome’s role could be a scum role. Ending town communication is a positive thing for scum any day of the weak. Unfortunate we didn’t lynch him yesterday. The issue here is that we have 2 contradictory results. WF investigates Awesome innocent. Mikal’s Caroler results imply Awesome is scum.
3) I think the game is over. Awesome is 1000% scum. I am affiliation confirmable. Mikal can’t die. Max is confirmed. Awesome + REF/WF. I told yall that one new person + one native is mod psyche
Will you claim your role not character
It’s what you think it is
Are you saying you were role blocked?
I have a passive role
pretty sure this may be a slip
What do you mean? Im just speculating.
I love how both Mikal and REF are justifying the decision for the latter not to claim on the basis that this lynch is absolutely assured to be scum. I understand the basis for Mikal thinking that since he has solid evidence to that effect. REF should at least be a little unsure. Both of them keep talking about all the WIFOM reasons why scum would fake well or use their fake claim in a way that nets them an obvious lynch (as if there's no obvious lynch on the table that requires absolutely none of that).
Do any of the three of you agree that the priority should be to avoid further claims, even among players everyone has acknowledged are in POE, in MYLO/LYLO on the basis that we might get a night action that isn't meddled with? Seriously, polling the room on this.
I would like all claims on the table before I decide, but it’s basically a certainty that Awesome is scum. Getting the big picture is the best thing. Also, why have you not pressured Awesome to full claim? Do you townread Awesome?
