Suikoden Mafia DP1

trying to imagine a world where he’s scum and uber as a fake claim which is safe as shit cus uber could totally be scum or tp depending on how you write the game but then decide to claim Pesmerga

would be dumb as shit as scum when you have a character that hard locks you as scarlet

WF is policy lynch at this point no matter what imo unless he has some crazy mechanic to keep him alive imo

There are third parties that can with scum or town? Seems too easy.

Mods started doing it that way because people started hating playing as third party and complaining about it being unfair. I'd so most third parties I've seen joint win now

So whiteflame is third party eh I believe it. If we dont have a better lynch Id be down to lynch him otherwise, I don't really see urgency to lynch him if there is a scummier read.

strengthens my town read on mikal for sussing that out

I have a quick hypothetical question for everyone.

If Mikal somehow dies in this day/night cycle and we learn at the dawn of DP2 that he is scum, how badly are we going to be regretting sharing the information that we did, especially given that he can give advice to his scummate(s) after he dies if post-death scum chat works like in Ranger's Apprentice, which I bet it does?

Just something to consider.

Anyone else want to claim that their character started Suikoden 1 as loyal to the Empire and joined the rebellion later? Hence why I agree with Mikal's supposition that roles, or at least alignment, are cross-sectioned from the beginning of Suikoden 1.

Do no answer the above. That is possibly the scummy post this entire game

That may have just moved Thoth above Mharm in my scum list

they are the 2 that stick out to me but the level of scummy the above post is , is pretty glaring

Nani? I thought I was helping a hypothetical townie you figure out the theme split. Scum-Mikal is unlikely to benefit from anyone's answers.

I think I’m right.

we don’t need to go down exploring that and people should not claim that

they are the 2 that stick out to me but the level of scummy the above post is , is pretty glaring

A-fucking-hem? If you think that I am scum with a recruitment mechanic that only works on characters who join the rebellion, and that post #307 was a sugar-coated ploy to narrow my recruitment pool, I am insulted by the suggestion that I could or would commit such a preposterous scumslip. Before you reply that this would also be an egregious oversight as town since a scum recruitment mechanic is practically confirmed, I am under the impression that many characters in Suikoden 1 who start as loyal to the Emperor have joined the rebellion by the end and many others have not, which, if true, means that knowing someone's alignment trajectory certainly could not winnow their possible characters to an individual and probably could not winnow them enough to activate any anti-claim mechanics. It also struck me as notable and unexpected that my character ends up as a prominent figure in the Toran rebellion. This is all notwithstanding that your hesitance to reveal which characters you think scum can recruit, as in post #58 and possibly elsewhere, implies that you think the recruitability split is more complicated than whether or not they Toranned against the Empire.

VOTE COUNT

Magic - 3/7 Kohai, Pie, Wylted

Wylted - 1/7 Magic

I can imagine that whiteflame genuinely scumslipped and then claimed Yuber thinking that a third-party claim could keep him alive, at least for a bit, and this would be better than no damage control. Mikal's stated belief in wf's claim makes me think that wf did not come up with it, no offense. Modpsychers unite: Can you imagine Rex giving scum a third-party as a fake-claim?

Does it matter if Whiteflame is mafia or third party at this point? Cause either way he made a slip and is probably and reasonably dead for it.

And the idea that Rex gave scum a tp fake claim is just drugs

Earth to ultra

I am going to intuit that there is someone in this game who can prevent others from being recruited.

Whoever that person is: Do NOT let Mikal become scum.

Saying this because I’ve officially decided that I DON’T want to be recruited. I can be recruited this game, I can confirm that. And I’m also outing that to hopefully disincentivize being recruited even further.

The reason is because Mikal is gonna be OP for town this game. I think he’s town. And I’d rather stay on his team.

Unless both of us can be recruited. Then I’m begging on my hands and knees for it.

Guessing I'm just going to be forced to claim at this point since I haven't seen anyone changing their minds, but I'll try one more time anyway. Please try to read between the lines of what I'm saying on #282. Scum hunt this DP and let me prove myself by the end of it. If you don't like what happens, you will still have time to lynch me and we can be done with it.

I don’t understand what you are implying at all

you scum hunting has nothing to do with your role unless it’s a day role and there is nothing you are going to do that’s going to get you out of being the prime target. So what’s the difference with claiming now or when you are about to die at the end of the dp. You outed as a tp. You know people are not coming off that. So regardless of whether you claim now or later it will not make a difference. You are claiming before the dp ends which will negate your role anyway per you.

where's ur mind at rn

I don’t understand what you are implying at all

you scum hunting has nothing to do with your role unless it’s a day role and there is nothing you are going to do that’s going to get you out of being the prime target. So what’s the difference with claiming now or when you are about to die at the end of the dp. You outed as a tp. You know people are not coming off that. So regardless of whether you claim now or later it will not make a difference. You are claiming before the dp ends which will negate your role anyway per you.

It does make a difference, and that's because it is a day use role, which I thought should be pretty clear from what I've been saying so far. If you want it to be useful, then yes, it does matter whether I out my role now or after it's used. If you don't care about that because you don't care about the utility of said role, then I guess there's no helping it. Doesn't seem like I'm going to convince you. I do want others to chime in, though. And, to be clear, I'm suggesting that we focus on scum hunting because that will help make the use of my role more valuable to town. You now know what I am. There are almost certainly 3 scum in this game and if your sole focus is on lynching me, then you'll miss an opportunity for town to improve their odds of winning. I know I'm likely fucked regardless, but I'm trying anyway for whatever that's worth.

There are almost certainly 3 scum in this game and if your sole focus is on lynching me, then you'll miss an opportunity for town to improve their odds of winning. I know I'm likely fucked regardless, but I'm trying anyway for whatever that's worth.

And that makes it way too easy for a survivor to side with scum, which is what they normally do anyway. Essentially making you scum #4.

And that makes it way too easy for a survivor to side with scum, which is what they normally do anyway. Essentially making you scum #4.

Kill me after I use it or lynch me blind. Those are the choices. I'm resigned to dying at this point regardless since no one believes I can possibly win with town. If my flip has to convince you of that, it is what it is.

I’m literally baffled.

the only day roles I can think of are day vig or like double vote etc. both of which make no sense for a tp to have and you are saying it makes you useless. Just claim bro

Yeah I’m good with just killing him at this point regardless. Was trying to hear him out but this is now dumb.

I'm waiting for others to chime in. I believe I've been very clear on the why of it. You've made clear you don't care, I want to be sure no one else does.

Let's use the time for other things, please.

Thoughts on Wylted? And why am I on your scum list?

for you behavior. I’d have to go back and read it to confirm why I thought you were. Just was reading last night and remember you pegging me as scummy

no one else has said anything enough to matter.

I’m really stuck on whatever the fuck wf is suggesting he can help with. It’s a day role that is useless once the claims it. The fuck role has a day modifier that can be stopped in the middle of the day ?

most day roles are vote alterations. Moving a lynch to someone or a day vig. None of those lose utility once claimed.

i think he’s tp but there is a part of me that wonder if he’s scum that fucked up or something. As a tp you are better off just saying you would side with town and see what they do. The rest of this is just weird

I’m really stuck on whatever the fuck wf is suggesting he can help with. It’s a day role that is useless once the claims it. The fuck role has a day modifier that can be stopped in the middle of the day ?

most day roles are vote alterations. Moving a lynch to someone or a day vig. None of those lose utility once claimed.

I hinted at it already, but I'll be blunt about it now: REF told me there is a role that can interfere with mine. That's all I know, but since he went out of his way to state that to me, I can't imagine it's just a passive role that prevents me from using it on one person.

Then blind use it and say what you did and let’s move on