Madoka Magica - Episode 5

I am out to dinner tonight so can’t post til late if I even can

VTL Whiteflame

If it’s Pie, then it’s GG wp. But it just has to be Whiteflame at this point. Can’t make much of a case. I’m also assuming Whiteflame vote will be on me. I always tend to keep people who know theme in my POE throughout the game as a precaution, glad it’s been right so far. Ball is in Pie’s court I guess

Vote Count

whiteflame (1/2) | Vader

Not voting: whiteflame, ILikePie5

Also any case I’ll make is WIFOM so don’t see the point

Still would prefer u make the case

I mean it’s wifom and some fact

1. the easiest thing I could’ve done if you think I YOLO’D was fake a cop report of Kohai and get him lynched. We know now that the game is 2v1 so it was a 3v2 so going for the easiest lynch was a possibility
2. Ive definetly seen Ascetic fake claimed as scum before

i have some others but out now and gonna try and post tonight

I’ll lay out a brief summary of how I see things and then vote.

Pie is lock town at this point. I already had good reason to townread him after the CC fiasco with Wryly, though he could have made a wild gambit to get her eliminated knowing she was the TP and give himself a great deal of towncred in the process. That small possibility vanished the moment Vader VTL’d me this DP. Scum Pie would have jumped on that and ended the game, 0 doubt.

POE alone puts it down to Vader for me, but I’ll make the case.

We know that scum had every reason to kill Pie when presented with the choice between her and Wryly. I was saddled with the choice and I picked Wryly. If I was scum, I would have known she was a TP from the apparently shared fake claims list and gotten back-to-back lynches once Pie was revealed as the BP.

As for Vader, the main thing he has in his favor is that he claims to have received the Role Cop and used it on Rex, someone who was obvious scum before the DP started. He’s now saying that he could have claimed a weird report on Kohai, though Wryly also basically town-confirmed Kohai when she outed that one of the characters in that list of four was real, so I don’t know why anyone would claim that that makes sense as a tactic. Is it risky to claim he got it? Absolutely, I’d say he had a 1 in 3 chance as I spelled out last DP. Did he think it would make him town confirmed? Clearly, looking how he responded to being sussed last DP. It was an opportunity and he took it knowing that he needed some support if he was going to survive the final DP.

As for our claims, both of us claimed roles that could be either alignment. My claim is unconfirmed, but given how absurd it would be to claim it with multiple visiting roles, the only real question is whether I have it as scum.

Vader’s, though, has more holes. He’s said he was 2X, then said he didn’t have any shots left last DP without saying he’d used it again. He has some validation through the Investigator, but only insofar as we know someone else was on that visit and his role would fit that bill.

So, yes, he’s obviously my vote at this point. He’s welcome to make a more extensive case when he has the time, but my decision is a given:

VTL Vader

Vote Count

Vader (1/2) | whiteflame

whiteflame (1/2) | Vader

Not voting: ILikePie5

I also just think balancing wise, a role immune to the NP actions other than a kill and then a role with anything but the kill just feels weird

I also just think balancing wise, a role immune to the NP actions other than a kill and then a role with anything but the kill just feels weird

So the first refers to me, but what's the second? The BP? What's the balancing issue here?

Let me ask yall a question. Who do yall think was Perma-Roleblocked and why?

Depends when Ref got the role, but given that no one who claimed a night action mentioned the RB, it's likely down to Wryly (who would have reason to conceal it), Kohai (whose Emissary wouldn't be affected), me (it would have failed) and you (the BP is passive). Not sure if either you or Kohai would have been informed if you had been RB'd, something I'll have to check with Thoth.

Thoth says an RB'd target would have been informed regardless of their role, and I think both Kohai and Pie would have revealed it by now, so that makes the most likely targets Wryly or me.

Don’t know when the roleblock was used so hard to say. If it’s NP1 when it was given it couldn’t be used on Magic1 because Mikal/Magic saw one person visit Magic1 which was my redirect. I wouldn’t be shocked if you were perma roleblocked but also wouldn’t be shocked if WF was either. It can’t be Magic1 or Magic2. Did Kohai use their role? Can’t remember. Obvious Rex got it.

The POE is between you, WF, and Wryly, and Kohai I think. Since no one outted they were RB’d it makes me think it could be you. It could also be Kohai. Fmpov it can’t be Whiteflame because he’s scum, but maybe he got recruited later and got RB’d night one. Not really sure

So with WF confirmation it essentially confirms that Kohai and Pie didn’t. I think it was probably Wryly then potentially

Alright, so I’ve reread all the DPs. Not much going on in DP1. DP2 is where it gets interesting. Supa’s reaction to the recruitment seems genuinely like wtf is going on. I’m also respecting Mharman2’s read on Supa about that. I also think the approach to Mikal’s action was townie. The action choice and behavior sound like classic Supa.

DP3 is also interesting especially with the CC. Supa immediately votes me with his supposed plan for the night. REF comes in after followed by WF. Like I said this is a red herring for the most part cause scum REF clearly did not care about keeping Wryly alive (so this argument that WF made DP4 falls flat imo). That means the only thing he has is the yolo

Admittedly the recruitment mechanic is my biggest hold up right now, but if this was a yolo, then I can’t really do much about it. I think behaviorally Supa has been better than WF. Anyways I hate being in this position but hopefully I didn’t sell lol.

VTL Whiteflame

Final Vote Count

whiteflame (2/2) | Vader, ILikePie5

Vader (1/2) | whiteflame

Mitakihara Police surround whiteflame. He was Mafia.

Town wins! Congratulations to Mag1cman, ILikePie5, Kohai, Vader, and Mag2cman/Mikal/Casey_Risk.

I will post the endgame thread either tonight or tomorrow afternoon.

Oh I almost forgot, I was perma roleblocked NP1. The ability was acquired by REF NP1. WF and REF were both in my POE at the end of NP1 so logically makes sense for them to perma roleblock me

Good job all! Whiteflame scum slipped hard and I was praying pie would catch it.

Well, you got me. Genuinely just fucked up picking Wryly, made a bad call and tried to sell it as something I wouldn't have done as scum. GG.

Where was the slip

Thoth says an RB'd target would have been informed regardless of their role

This was false as an ascetic would not be told of their role. I was playing along and asked him about this. He said this was the opposite of what he told you initially.

Why wouldn’t you hammer pie and get an easy lynch on castin

Why wouldn’t you hammer pie and get an easy lynch on castin

The long and short of it was that we also thought they were both town and Wryly was trying something. We didn't clock a TP despite her character being on our fake claim list, ended up wavering on who to lynch and made a snap decision in the wrong direction.

The long and short of it was that we also thought they were both town and Wryly was trying something. We didn't clock a TP despite her character being on our fake claim list, ended up wavering on who to lynch and made a snap decision in the wrong direction.

Lol so you also thought there were two BPs?

But still the other would have been an easy lynch

The long and short of it was that we also thought they were both town and Wryly was trying something. We didn't clock a TP despite her character being on our fake claim list, ended up wavering on who to lynch and made a snap decision in the wrong direction.

Lol so you also thought there were two BPs?

But still the other would have been an easy lynch

Elo has been submitted

This was false as an ascetic would not be told of their role. I was playing along and asked him about this. He said this was the opposite of what he told you initially.

I have no idea what ur saying lol

Lol so you also thought there were two BPs?

I thought something was up, like Wryly claiming a very similar role and just simplifying it or covering for something she couldn't claim for some reason. Like you said at the time, I saw them both as town.

But still the other would have been an easy lynch

Yeah, and we considered it. Just should've put more thought into the decision.

This honestly should have been a castin win as she was never going to get lynched and probably would have if she avoided getting NKd