Solo Leveling - Day phase 3

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Helz (4/7) Mestari, Rex, Pie, Mag1c

Shining (2/7) Helz, Vader

Awesome (1/7) Shining

VTL Helz

Sheeping daddy pie. Baa baaa

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Helz (4/7) Mestari, Rex, Pie, Mag1c

Shining (2/7) Helz, Vader

Awesome (1/7) Shining

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Helz (5/7) Mestari, Rex, Pie, Mag1c, Kohai

Shining (2/7) Helz, Vader

Awesome (1/7) Shining

Good sheep.

After a back-and-forth with Helz in guildchat it seems clear he's not going to claim in the DP. I'm pretty frustrated, so yeah, consider my vote on Helz. In the interests of not putting him at L-1 just yet I'm not VTLing. I'd like to discuss Shining a bit more. Still haven't decided if they're both scum, one scum and one 3P, one scumchat scum and one Lost Wolf, or what.

I think helz / shinning is gg

Baaaaaa

After a back-and-forth with Helz in guildchat it seems clear he's not going to claim in the DP. I'm pretty frustrated, so yeah, consider my vote on Helz. In the interests of not putting him at L-1 just yet I'm not VTLing. I'd like to discuss Shining a bit more. Still haven't decided if they're both scum, one scum and one 3P, one scumchat scum and one Lost Wolf, or what.

I’d be frustrated too. Your entire team plan blown up by Pie and Wylted lol. If he doesn’t want to claim, that’s fine. We will treat him just like how we have treated everyone else. He probably still thinks I’m bluffing, which I’m not. It’s anti-town for him to not claim.

I think helz / shinning is gg

Still leaves 3P.

I’d be frustrated too. Your entire team plan blown up by Pie and Wylted lol. If he doesn’t want to claim, that’s fine. We will treat him just like how we have treated everyone else. He probably still thinks I’m bluffing, which I’m not. It’s anti-town for him to not claim.

Anyone who investigated as guilty to me but flipped innocent would have given a rat away and ultimately led to the same situation we have now, so as long as I telegraphed my target to the guild, I like to think it would have caught scum regardless. I do credit you for making the Ant King draw out a false guild leader, though.

He has until 9pm CST tonight. Otherwise, I will fully pursue his lynch

Caught up with the thread now. I have a decent bit to say but quite honestly, Im not getting with your sites bullshit meta. Will write a wall explain what I have done and why this game though.

Caught up with the thread now. I have a decent bit to say but quite honestly, Im not getting with your sites bullshit meta. Will write a wall explain what I have done and why this game though. 

Forcing people we think are scum to claim is now bullshit meta? Wow

Uh hu. Thats what I said eyh? Just actually read my next post. We may disagree on strategy but I will unpack what I have done and why.

Uh hu. Thats what I said eyh? Just actually read my next post. We may disagree on strategy but I will unpack what I have done and why.

I’ll read whatever you want me to read, but you’re not going to get out of full claiming

So to start I was given an invite to join a guild. My role I considered weak. I felt that the benefit of having a confirmed town with a chat was much more of an asset to me. I prefer to win games though actually being good instead of taking a lucky action anyways. Pre-game I even flatly told Pie I intended on open wolfing. https://discord.com/channels/1390507525673189466/1390511970310033428/1488710968019259473 (Discord link to the post) They said they would insta lynch and I said "Challenge accepted." Woulda pulled this shit regardless of my alignment roll. (Eyh Pie, You did not do it brah~)

Something about me personally I have said multiple times in my guild chat- I got tired of winning a long time ago. Now I set challenges for myself to make things interesting. This was one of them. I very specifically wanted to open wolf and when I rolled town I decided it would be fun to see if I could invert the game. Glorious situation when someone is viewed as 3p in Lylo and becomes kingmaker then demands the other players argue about who is more scummy as opposed to more town. Those were my goals for this game. I feel I was on track with people suspecting me so much as 3p. I bet a handful of you do not even know why you think I am 3p instead of mafia with all the bullshit I was doing : )

Over and over through my guild chat I voiced effort to be viewed as 3p. As people suspected me I reinforced their suspicion. Was actually a point of humor that I had to work so hard to be suspected that we had a lot of banter about in guild chat. I did a lot of work there trying to be midrange read insulating myself from KPN and setting up for a potential glorious 3p claim that would have been fucking epic and hilarious. Either of my guild mates can verify this and its not hard to see it if you Iso me as I constantly ramble about wanting to eat your children and how I am the most evil. At some point D1 I think someone even called me out and I said something along the lines of "Holy fucking shit what does it take to be scum read in this community" as I was also trying to play a lynchbait move D1 that did not pan out. Idea being you make yourself look scummy and bait an opportunistic wolf to bite then you dig. Kinda some FPS bullshit but very effective D1 strategy imo.

As our guild chat started I voiced heavy concerns about us outing roles and projecting intended actions. I was very up front about the fact that our discord chat would allow anyone joining after the fact would mean they can read anything posted and we should hide such information as it gives us no benefit. I also created a plan that even the guild leaders action should be vague. They should not confirm exactly what they will do but instead take advice from the guild on what should be done.

Rex claimed Miller right off the bat as well as their action. Not sure if they have claimed it but no good in me saying what that is. This is something I never let go of. I voiced to Lunatic that at any moment they wanted they could demand my claim and I would give it to them. I also cautioned that I did not think it was a good play.

N1 Lunatic asked me if I felt we should recruit or use actions. I voiced that developing more power for the town was what I favored. I flatly voiced that I felt my power was underwhelming and not worth not recruiting.

For D1 I agreed that Thoth was scummy. I was the first (and only) person to really shove Alyssa. I also hammered Thoth while pushing them really hard for information. I tried to keep them engaged as I milked them for information. Everyone wagoned Alyssa post Thoth flip and in D2 I maintained in my guild chat that I felt they would flip scum but I had concerns. Lunatic even gave me shit about how much I was shoving them D1 in our chat to look at Alyssa and now that Alyssa was the elimination train I was pumping the breaks. I wanted real reasoning I could work with. That did not happen. I got a bunch of people regurgitating the same talking points and with a mafia flip we had a useless train and no counter train.

So yeah. I bitched at the town EOD2. Honestly towns macro game has been dogshit imo. Do what you want with my opinion there. Play some Bon Jovi living on a prayer as you lean on mech demanding claims and shit.

So D2 rolls around. Now I get Castin in our chat. They reported an inno check on Alyssa at some point. I missed it in the guild chat. Was not bothering to keep up with chat and am kinda low effort this game tbh. After the fact I did question that asking why they did not fight harder to defend Alyssa if they had a hard cop check on the player. This is where my distrust of them started. Somewhere in D2 Lunatic brought up that I was the only one in the chat not to claim and I again offered them to full claim or give a half claim preventing the harm of a full claim. They declined.

Really stupid lynch plays out. Hit a mafia- cool... We got nothing from it because towns macro was utter garbage. I wanted things I could work with later. Voiced multiple times that the game is chess not checkers and I wanted more. We got a good flip that set town up late game for failure imo. Yes it was the conclusion but we should have created so much more.

Now D3 kicks off. Castin has a red check on pie. Ok.. Their previous green check on Alyssa was obviously bad (and this was before they were in the guild and they handled it oddly imo) but sure. Our guild leader was killed and I pushed that we should angle the situation pushing a read based shove on Pie. I was building it but struggling a bit. Rex just went yolo Leroy Jinkens claiming the hard action before I was able to post and I pushed with pressure. Cool thing that it was hiding our alignment cop that was unknown to even be a part of our team which we did discuss but obviously landed on a confirmable town. This makes 2/2 of Wyrly's results being flatly wrong. Interesting bit there. We go down this entire train of stupid as Pie refuses to verify and I push in guild chat that they should get no info until they claim. (Still have zero understanding why that was even a subject of contention in the day chat. Wtf..)

That plays out and at some point Rex decides to blow up the team. I have said my piece in guild chat about that. Rex has been a ghost sense they outed me. I have pinged them and offered to interact- they have nothing to say so far. Wyrly has been pressuring me to get with the sites meta and that I should claim which is a good look. They seem genuinely upset that I am not willing to give you guys a claim.

Thats a decent overview of what I have done this game. You guys do not get access to the 1-2k posts I have made in guild chat as I sort and hunt but I did give my people a fucking ear full about how I understand the DP players suspecting me while I feel its absolute bullshit they could not sort me in guild chat. A whole truckload of stupid got dumped on a pretty simple situation. Shining has a claim that looks fake and Pie had a red check that got sorted.

Ehhh, But yeah. Ask me for whatever and I will give you my thoughts. But here is my role claim

"You are Helz

Passive-

You will tell everyone to go fuck themselves if they play in a stupid way and demand information thats not even AI

Active-

You have a tracking function. Its a thing.

You have another function. Wont ever be spoken of until my flip.

Do what you guys want with that. Feel free to milk me for information if your gona go down that road. I will respond as long as I am around the computer.

Then kill me. You will never get a full claim from me and there is nothing scummy about it.

For post flip this really was my PoE entering D3

I am rather interested in these players today-

ILikePie5

Whiteflame

Awesome

Casey Risk

Shining

Pie is obviously out. I quite like WF's mitigation. No fucking clue how people are ignoring Shining bullshit claim.

Anyways. AMA open before you guys hammer me for not just working with your meta giving a full claim as you mech junkies demand information without considering whats good or AI. I will try to stick around for a bit.

Town needs a full claim, not a synopsis, buddy.

Duno how many ways to say that I do not give a fuck. Kill me if thats all you care about.

Gave you an open door in guild chat to grill me for info if you think I will flip scum. Feel free to milk me for all the info you want.

Also feel free to tell the town if a single thing I said you feel is untrue from guild chat.

You're refusing to claim under reasonable suspicion citing only "uR mEtA iS DuMb", doubling back on WIFOM talking points instead of providing solid data that could clear you. Like I said in guild chat, this is coming off like cornered scum who's not used to being nailed by mechanics analysis.

State your role justification and the specifics of the tracking function.

Well I have played a few thousand games. I do not think there is much I am not use to.

I have claimed the thing that matters and explained exactly what I was doing and why.

Wryly wants me to clarify my tracking deal. So for my night actions-

n1 recrutment

n2 I asked daddy for a pair of goggles that on N3 I could track a player. Something of an odd day function sort of thing. I duno who my daddy is in the anime but apparently he can give me things : )

To be fair Wryly was a bit upset when I was so ok with being lynched. Lol.

Pretty towny reaction from them to be sure. Rex has yet to show their face sense kicking all this bullshit off. Pinged them and offered to explain anything they wanted but they are MIA in our guild chat.

So to start I was given an invite to join a guild. My role I considered weak. I felt that the benefit of having a confirmed town with a chat was much more of an asset to me. I prefer to win games though actually being good instead of taking a lucky action anyways. Pre-game I even flatly told Pie I intended on open wolfing. https://discord.com/channels/1390507525673189466/1390511970310033428/1488710968019259473 (Discord link to the post) They said they would insta lynch and I said "Challenge accepted." Woulda pulled this shit regardless of my alignment roll. (Eyh Pie, You did not do it brah~)

That was an obvious troll but whatever, don’t really care.

Something about me personally I have said multiple times in my guild chat- I got tired of winning a long time ago. Now I set challenges for myself to make things interesting. This was one of them. I very specifically wanted to open wolf and when I rolled town I decided it would be fun to see if I could invert the game. Glorious situation when someone is viewed as 3p in Lylo and becomes kingmaker then demands the other players argue about who is more scummy as opposed to more town. Those were my goals for this game. I feel I was on track with people suspecting me so much as 3p. I bet a handful of you do not even know why you think I am 3p instead of mafia with all the bullshit I was doing : )

So you were playing contra to your wincon so that you could challenge yourself.

A) That’s stupid

B) That’s selfish

Over and over through my guild chat I voiced effort to be viewed as 3p. As people suspected me I reinforced their suspicion. Was actually a point of humor that I had to work so hard to be suspected that we had a lot of banter about in guild chat. I did a lot of work there trying to be midrange read insulating myself from KPN and setting up for a potential glorious 3p claim that would have been fucking epic and hilarious. Either of my guild mates can verify this and its not hard to see it if you Iso me as I constantly ramble about wanting to eat your children and how I am the most evil. At some point D1 I think someone even called me out and I said something along the lines of "Holy fucking shit what does it take to be scum read in this community" as I was also trying to play a lynchbait move D1 that did not pan out. Idea being you make yourself look scummy and bait an opportunistic wolf to bite then you dig. Kinda some FPS bullshit but very effective D1 strategy imo.

No one suspected you besides Magicman and Wylted basically lol

As our guild chat started I voiced heavy concerns about us outing roles and projecting intended actions. I was very up front about the fact that our discord chat would allow anyone joining after the fact would mean they can read anything posted and we should hide such information as it gives us no benefit. I also created a plan that even the guild leaders action should be vague. They should not confirm exactly what they will do but instead take advice from the guild on what should be done.

And that’s where Luna did it wrong. His job is to sort through the bs. If you think someone is scum, you shouldn’t be recruiting them in the first place.

Rex claimed Miller right off the bat as well as their action. Not sure if they have claimed it but no good in me saying what that is.

Oh so he’s holding something back. Let’s hear it. I’m sure Wryly knows too. I would like to hear it.

This is something I never let go of. I voiced to Lunatic that at any moment they wanted they could demand my claim and I would give it to them. I also cautioned that I did not think it was a good play.

Reverse psychology, nice

N1 Lunatic asked me if I felt we should recruit or use actions. I voiced that developing more power for the town was what I favored. I flatly voiced that I felt my power was underwhelming and not worth not recruiting.

For D1 I agreed that Thoth was scummy. I was the first (and only) person to really shove Alyssa. I also hammered Thoth while pushing them really hard for information. I tried to keep them engaged as I milked them for information. Everyone wagoned Alyssa post Thoth flip and in D2 I maintained in my guild chat that I felt they would flip scum but I had concerns. Lunatic even gave me shit about how much I was shoving them D1 in our chat to look at Alyssa and now that Alyssa was the elimination train I was pumping the breaks. I wanted real reasoning I could work with. That did not happen. I got a bunch of people regurgitating the same talking points and with a mafia flip we had a useless train and no counter train.

So you want to take credit for lynching Alyssa lol. Nice

So yeah. I bitched at the town EOD2. Honestly towns macro game has been dogshit imo. Do what you want with my opinion there. Play some Bon Jovi living on a prayer as you lean on mech demanding claims and shit.

So D2 rolls around. Now I get Castin in our chat. They reported an inno check on Alyssa at some point. I missed it in the guild chat. Was not bothering to keep up with chat and am kinda low effort this game tbh. After the fact I did question that asking why they did not fight harder to defend Alyssa if they had a hard cop check on the player. This is where my distrust of them started. Somewhere in D2 Lunatic brought up that I was the only one in the chat not to claim and I again offered them to full claim or give a half claim preventing the harm of a full claim. They declined.

So then why were you talking about all the manipulation possible when you’re talking with me lmaoo

Really stupid lynch plays out. Hit a mafia- cool... We got nothing from it because towns macro was utter garbage. I wanted things I could work with later. Voiced multiple times that the game is chess not checkers and I wanted more. We got a good flip that set town up late game for failure imo. Yes it was the conclusion but we should have created so much more.

Everyone repeatedly asking you what you wanted lol.

Now D3 kicks off. Castin has a red check on pie. Ok.. Their previous green check on Alyssa was obviously bad (and this was before they were in the guild and they handled it oddly imo) but sure. Our guild leader was killed and I pushed that we should angle the situation pushing a read based shove on Pie. I was building it but struggling a bit. Rex just went yolo Leroy Jinkens claiming the hard action before I was able to post and I pushed with pressure. Cool thing that it was hiding our alignment cop that was unknown to even be a part of our team which we did discuss but obviously landed on a confirmable town. This makes 2/2 of Wyrly's results being flatly wrong. Interesting bit there. We go down this entire train of stupid as Pie refuses to verify and I push in guild chat that they should get no info until they claim. (Still have zero understanding why that was even a subject of contention in the day chat. Wtf..)

Cause you’re just dumb. There is no scum motivation to do what I did.

That plays out and at some point Rex decides to blow up the team. I have said my piece in guild chat about that. Rex has been a ghost sense they outed me. I have pinged them and offered to interact- they have nothing to say so far. Wyrly has been pressuring me to get with the sites meta and that I should claim which is a good look. They seem genuinely upset that I am not willing to give you guys a claim. 

Thats a decent overview of what I have done this game. You guys do not get access to the 1-2k posts I have made in guild chat as I sort and hunt but I did give my people a fucking ear full about how I understand the DP players suspecting me while I feel its absolute bullshit they could not sort me in guild chat. A whole truckload of stupid got dumped on a pretty simple situation. Shining has a claim that looks fake and Pie had a red check that got sorted. 

Ehhh, But yeah. Ask me for whatever and I will give you my thoughts. But here is my role claim

"You are Helz

Passive- 

You will tell everyone to go fuck themselves if they play in a stupid way and demand information thats not even AI

Active-

You have a tracking function. Its a thing.

You have another function. Wont ever be spoken of until my flip.

Do what you guys want with that. Feel free to milk me for information if your gona go down that road. I will respond as long as I am around the computer.

Nothing you said makes me feel better besides maybe the fact that REF is hiding something. Full claim or be lynched. Idrc

What did REF hide about his role?

Nothing you said makes me feel better besides maybe the fact that REF is hiding something. Full claim or be lynched. Idrc

Then lynch me you dunce. People kept acting like your some super strong player and I just do not see it. I see a power tripping mid level player with little understanding of how the game works. You can not get over your own hubris far enough to lead the town.

I bet Shining is laughing their ass off watching this interaction.

I will not move on my position of a full claim.

I will openly offer people can ask me anything so post flip they have something to work with if they want anything thats in my brain.