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@Helz
Why do you think Luna said he townread REF?
Why do you think Luna said he townread REF?
Why were you so unaccepting of the security threat to our guild implied by my false result on Pie? I wanted to come clean immediately after Pie revealed himself as the true Hunters leader. Rex resisted at first but then eventually came around. You were mad as all get out, said it was a total mistake, and refused to even admit that Pie was town confirmed.
Who is more likely to be scum: Wryly or REF and why
Yeah, somehow I missed it. I was doing a lot around that period of time. Really hurting for time and I was not vetting our discord chat.
To be fair I probably have 1-2k posts there and the chat on our discord is probably much larger than the chat in all the game threads combined. Is what it is.
You're such a stickler for detail though. I can't believe I told you I had a result, you acknowledged it, but then you didn't press for more.
At the time, I hadn't revealed my role yet. I just said I investigated Alyssa. I'm wondering if you asked no follow-up questions because you were wary I was actually a Tracker or a Watcher and had seen Alyssa visit Mag1c.
Im unsure there. Rex has been kinda distant in the guild chat. They are not super active and pop in and out here and there but I was always skeptical of them because of the modified miller claim. It seemed like they opened with a way to give themselves an out if investigated and their role was kinda mid in a way that made sense.
From the moment things started to the end I was skeptical and Wryly can confirm. While I never voiced confidence our chat was pure and I constantly voiced some level of paranoia I also never hunted our own.
Assign probabilities of each being scum and why.
Also. Thoth used 3 names that he claimed was Jinwoo: Helz, REF, Alyssa. Why do you think he did this?
Why were you so unaccepting of the security threat to our guild implied by my false result on Pie? I wanted to come clean immediately after Pie revealed himself as the true Hunters leader. Rex resisted at first but then eventually came around. You were mad as all get out, said it was a total mistake, and refused to even admit that Pie was town confirmed.
I mentioned it. I did not dig. I was having a great time in our chat and figured I could sort the players outside of our chat before sorting the players inside of it. As things progressed today I have brought up multiple times that you have had 2 bad results. An inno on a flipped mafia and a guilty on a town. I did not push you sure. But I was not remotely ignoring that fact and repeatedly brought it up in our chat as different factors were argued.
I woulda been much more paranoid if not for your bad result on Alyssa before joining the guild. I even at one point brought up that you may be an insane alignment cop. While I did not follow up in our chat I did mention it in this game thread and drew the conclusion that its a bit unlikely given that its generally considered bastard. But if you want my thoughts on it yeah- Its super super unlikely that you got your results fucked twice and one of them being before you were even in the guild.
Who is more likely to be scum: Wryly or REF and why
Tough question.
Wryly seems so much more town from their behavior. Their reaction to what I voiced in chat even approaching my situation was very towny but they also have much worse mech results. An inno on a flipped mafia and a guilty on a confirmed town? Its just ugly. But every bit of their play looks like town to me.
I would suspect Rex more. The modified miller mechanic claim up front was bad. They have kinda half lurked and while I was unpacking my thoughts and hunting both Lunatic and Wryly generally engaged and gave thoughts. Rex kinda popped in and out here and there. I never got much of a feeling of them pushing original thoughts into the chat and more that they were hanging around and existing. While I do not have strong reason to hunt them as scum I will also say that as this situation unfolded I pinged them to offer to ask me anything in real time on discord. They have pretty much ghosted sense what they said on this thread until they gave the X-post later. They had no interest in interacting with me.
Could be a personality trait of conflict avoidance? Also feels like they blew up our team intentionally when considering we kinda had a plan of how to push you with reasoning and reads before they went leroy jinkins and just claimed a peek.
You're such a stickler for detail though. I can't believe I told you I had a result, you acknowledged it, but then you didn't press for more.
At the time, I hadn't revealed my role yet. I just said I investigated Alyssa. I'm wondering if you asked no follow-up questions because you were wary I was actually a Tracker or a Watcher and had seen Alyssa visit Mag1c.
So I really have been half assing this game. Those two days in particular I had an entire murder trial going on. I was popping in and out on my phone but I was not exactly focused on the game.
You can make whatever assumption you want there but there is a reason earlier today I was like "Wait, what? You had an inno on Alyssa?" That was the first time the information actually registered to me. You even had to link a previous post in the chat to show me that you had said as much.
From memory I even questioned why you did not fight to defend them. If I had a hard inno I would be shouting it. Good thing you did not in hindsight but yeah, I did not take note of you having such a claim which bothered me because I am usually pretty quick to pick up on things even when I am not trying.
You can make whatever assumption you want there but there is a reason earlier today I was like "Wait, what? You had an inno on Alyssa?" That was the first time the information actually registered to me. You even had to link a previous post in the chat to show me that you had said as much.
What? Yesterday you were saying that the inno check on Alyssa was weighing on your mind. What do you mean it only registered today?
I really do not remember when the day was. It could have been yesterday. I do specifically remember you responding by quoting an earlier post. If you really want to know the exact time I could dig it out of discord.
I'm here. Let's see how much I can catch up before the liquor hits.
The post I had to link you to in guildchat was the one where I announced I would be targeting Pie, since you were kind of challenging that I ever announced it.
I think there was some legit reasoning for it. Its a rather weird assumption and take. Most of what Thoth said seemed to have some connection to details they knew were in the game. Then we have the aspect that there was a developed player into the ant king.
This (and the fact there is not an additional KPN in a 17p game) made me feel that them giving a pool reflected them having some mech info on who might become their Ant King. This is part of why I feel we are looking at a 3p mafia and not a 2p today. It makes sense for balance and otherwise Thoth making such a position is out of place regardless of if they replaced all the names and such.
Had to look up this insane modifier you guys keep mentioning. This is for when the moderator is just like "fuck town" I guess.
I get that. Im just saying that I did have a moment where it clicked and you responded providing a link to reference that you had talked about it. If you are questioning if I knew that would be the moment that it clicked for me.
Yeah, Insane is kinda bastard. It can randomize or it can just invert results.
Part of what I questioned for you given the track record. Decided it was probably too bastard to be in the game.
Given that Lunatic was a tracker (maybe of sorts, it doesn't say he knows who they visited), and other related reasons, I'm going to accept that Helz is scum and enjoy my alcohol. I'll read the rest some other day.
To be clear, the timeline went like this:
I don't understand this.
Given that Lunatic was a tracker (maybe of sorts, it doesn't say he knows who they visited), and other related reasons, I'm going to accept that Helz is scum and enjoy my alcohol. I'll read the rest some other day.
yeah I'm not even gonna bother with the text wall after that
I still don’t know what to type!
Lunatic was a tracker so the claim is bogus already
I still don’t know what to type!
Helz is at L-2 so we need two people to vote to hammer. go ahead and do it
I still don’t know what to type!
Pie will VTL again once he's done playing with his food. Just need one more.
Lunatic was a tracker so the claim is bogus already
Mikal said Luna was a Motion Detector
I don't necessarily agree. We know Mafia got fake claims. We don't know if it was just characters or also roles. We can be confident that if it was roles, the recruit redirection bit from Thoth and the action doubling from Alyssa were not included.
Given that roles were the thing everybody doubted about their claims, I don't think Kohai was referring to characters there. So he implied mafia given role claims, and since his ability doesn't match that, he's innocent. But then he contradicted that by saying mafia claimed on their own and just made claims like that up.
>And this assumes that mafia knew beforehand doctor and poison healer were on the same slot
Kohai said this after Vader outed it was the same slot. They implication is that Mafia may have known before you claimed poisoned, but there's no reason at that time to believe in Kohai knew.
My point is that if mafia has, say, a rolecop they could've copped Vader NP1 and Kohai may have leaked it. It's more of a bonus than my main point, but just note it.
I still don’t know what to type!
huh. where was this?
I still don’t know what to type!
Tracker and Motion Detector don't completely overlap. I don't think that datum is among the most damning here.
Well the 6th was the murder trial stuff. Yesterday I was pounding alcohol. The first time it clicked in my head was whenever you posted the link to show you had voiced it before.
Im not sure what possible scum motivation I could have for 'acting shocked' at some point but a lot of the discord stuff I have been skimming and half interacting between drinks and such. Do what you want with that but you asked me a question and I gave you an honest response from memory. Figured that time you gave a link to show we had talked about it was the moment I remember having the discussion.