But you are the conditioned monkeys not thinking things through in this situation.
i mean ur not completely wrong but what we do works. a lot of ppl dont like it but cant knock a working strategy
You had incentive to poison Mag1cman.
i thot alyssa was poisoner
Also if you guys think I am scum put me through the wringer and milk every bit of info you can from me before I flip.
sure, who do you think is likly the scum partner of shining and why
well im caught up.
ya seems like we are lynching helz, after my interaction with him last night plus the reveal he is the other guild member it reads like he was trying to set up a million excuses for why pie wasn't town and was lying. we have good reason to believe the cops results were messed with so this just makes sense to me that helz was the scum in the chat
vtl helz
Vote Count
Helz (6/7) Mestari, Rex, Mag1c, Kohai, Wryly, banana
Shining (2/7) Helz, Vader
Awesome (1/7) Shining
I have not had any results. 2 Recruiting blocks. Yesterday I prepped to use tracker asking my daddy for some fancy goggles.
I'm tired af, what is it you want me to confirm? If Helz offered to claim but Lunatic said he didn't have to? It happened before I joined, but yeah. Helz said he preferred not to claim because he couldn't completely trust Rex or future guildies, but if Lunatic demanded the info he would give it. Lunatic said he wouldn't force Helz to claim unless he had reason to scumread him. Rex claimed shortly after. Then I joined and claimed the next day.
It was actually both before and after you joined. The subject came up 3 times in chat from my memory.
if u r actually town here i do feel bad for u. our community has a way of giving new players a 'throw em in a fire head first and let them burn' mentlity and i experienced that in my first couple of games too. i was very angry and not sure i wanted to play after that. eventually the way things are done here grew on me, and i feel like i fit in more but i remember getting into it with pie and vader and some others in my first one. i wish our community was able to be nicer with players.
but ya its a very "comply or die" type of thing with this group. like i said tho it works for us so i cant really knock it either
All this just reeks of you having received a fake character claim, looking up the character, and trying to retrofit a role to it that you either knew wasn’t in the game or believed wouldn’t be based on Luna’s role. Alyssa and Thoth played it more conservative with their claims, but they had the same partially divorced from the reality of the show feel to them, just right enough to think they’re plausible but with a lot of problems to consider.
I have not bothered looking up the show past a quick google search of characters. All I know about my flavor is that I am some rich kid who ends up doing guild stuff. My role is asking daddy for items that let me do things. Do whatever you want with that.
for the record i did town read u before it was indicated that there was a mole in the tiger guild. if its not u do u think its rex? jw cuz if u flip town thats maybe where we push tomorrow. i also dont want to skip over shining though, bcuz you have a point that they are likly scum. i just dont kno what we do about the investigation thingy bcuz that is clearly a problem we have to deal with and adress
i mean ur not completely wrong but what we do works. a lot of ppl dont like it but cant knock a working strategy
Seems like it works some of the time. Also seems like its blowing up in the towns face this time around.
Seems like it works some of the time. Also seems like its blowing up in the towns face this time around.
if the only consequence of it is a single mislynch, i dont know if i would say its blowing up in towns face. but i get that u r heated bcuz its you specifclly in the hot seat. if i was town and in ur shoes id feel the same way. i dont know u r town here, but if you are i will feel bad about it, but this seems to be heading that way either way at this point
sure, who do you think is likly the scum partner of shining and why
Probably between Casey Risk, Shining, or Awesome. Was working through a PoE. Still has not changed sense the day started although you could throw in WF and Kohai as potentials I was much less interested than Awesome or Casey Risk. (Btw, Amaizing its taken this long for someone to ask me for my reads. Lol...)
Town
ILikePie5 is almost certainly town. The flip can mostly verify without even bothering to have guild members reveal
Mag1cian is likely town unless as scum they pulled a gambit fake claiming poisoned after a kill failed or something
Vader is almost certainly town. Zero clue why the hell they outed themselves as doc but it is what it is
Mestari is town for very angleshooty reasons I unpacked D1. Still kinda hate that such information was not controlled btw.
Lean town
Wyrly is probably town although it irks me to no end that they have somehow managed to get 2 separate alignment checks that were both wrong. I did like their interaction after the shitshow started in our guild chat though.
Banana looks town from their interactions and read wall. The initial list 814 D1 was of note. Never really dug into them and never felt a reason to.
Rex I would give the benefit of a doubt for now. They did something really stupid today thats going to cost the town and ran away and hid afterwards instead of trying to vet me for any useful info and such but that is what it is. Some people have that conflict avoidance thing. I do very much dislike their modified miller function as they claimed invest results against them are randomized. Their role also had me scratch my head a bit but its not a big deal. Largely the participation I have seen from them looks town but I have been paranoid about them sense the moment I got in the guild.
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WhiteFlame I just would never trust. Their range seems too high and I am paranoid. What they say looks good but at their level I would imagine thats childs play so I do not have confidence in reading them yet
Kohai is one I go back and forth on. One moment I am pinged by them and the next I see them do something solid. They were something for me to dig on tommorow.
Awesome pretty lurky and the contributions they give are pretty soft. Easily within range of being a scum coasting through the day's doing just enough to get by. While I do not have a reason to actively scum read them I also do not have any reason to town read them. Duno why the town is so tolerant there and pressure is so weak
Casey Risk Rubs me the wrong way. I was hoping to push them today but they did not show up that I noticed.
Scum
Shining- Their claim is nonsense. I do consider my role weak. Shinings is absurdly weak. It would be one thing if they were a 1 shot lightning rod but were a character. I could buy that. But having to get recruited into a guild to use a 1 shot ability that just attracts actions to you? There is just no way.
Quite honestly I am more mad that my guild mates did this to me. I get the town not town reading me. I intentionally worked to be a mid range read and encourage paranoia that I could be 3p and such. My guild mates had easily over a thousand posts from me as I dug and chewed on concepts and voiced some of the technical bits about what I was doing and why. They saw that I was really hunting and putting in some crazy work this game. That really sucks.
Now it looks like I am being lynched and theres hardly even a case on me. Nothing I can address. Its frustrating for sure but I am good with it. At the very least you are pushing me for info that you can follow up with after I flip.
Btw- You guys have no idea how much of a pain in the ass its been to work around all the nicknames and real life names and old account names randomly used by everyone. I get this is a small community but fucking hell. Even the hosts opening thread is scrambled with that stuff. Just saying.
The other thing I would say is town should probably chill on the paranoia of the guild being compromised. Its of critical note that Wyrly's first confirmed wrong check happened before they joined the guild. Their second bad chick was after they joined the guild. Having two bad checks is interesting.
I think its simply much more likely they are being targeted by something that screws with their result than something screwed with their first target then the guild was corrupt and it was intentional. After I flip town if the town if the town stays paranoid about this your just going to end up gutting the guild. I think thats a bad idea. I did bring this up to my members after the nonesnse started. Talked with Wyrly a bit but Rex was just ghosted the chat. Even if they basically got me killed I think its a bad idea to chase down the guild over some half cooked paranoid feeling that there might be a rat even as it makes little sense.
Quite honestly I am more mad that my guild mates did this to me. I get the town not town reading me. I intentionally worked to be a mid range read and encourage paranoia that I could be 3p and such. My guild mates had easily over a thousand posts from me as I dug and chewed on concepts and voiced some of the technical bits about what I was doing and why. They saw that I was really hunting and putting in some crazy work this game. That really sucks.
pie strongarming an entire guild into turning on each other isnt all that shocking to me. he mislynched me in another recent game when he was scum and it was one of the most frustratin things ever when slowly one by one every single person just took his side.
Now it looks like I am being lynched and theres hardly even a case on me. Nothing I can address. Its frustrating for sure but I am good with it. At the very least you are pushing me for info that you can follow up with after I flip.
yeah the more i am thinking about u the more i just cant really see u being scum. u r putting too much effort into this and feel like your actually frustrated. i will help you push shining if u want to go that way.
unvote, vtl shining
Probably between Casey Risk, Shining, or Awesome. Was working through a PoE. Still has not changed sense the day started although you could throw in WF and Kohai as potentials I was much less interested than Awesome or Casey Risk. (Btw, Amaizing its taken this long for someone to ask me for my reads. Lol...)
ty for the reads. the only thing i am curious about tho is that rex isn't in your scum reads. if u dont think there is a scum in ur guild chat, what do u think happened with the results?
The other thing I would say is town should probably chill on the paranoia of the guild being compromised. Its of critical note that Wyrly's first confirmed wrong check happened before they joined the guild. Their second bad chick was after they joined the guild. Having two bad checks is interesting.
this is a good point actually
I think its simply much more likely they are being targeted by something that screws with their result than something screwed with their first target then the guild was corrupt and it was intentional.
how would they have known wryly was the cop to do that?
After I flip town if the town if the town stays paranoid about this your just going to end up gutting the guild. I think thats a bad idea. I did bring this up to my members after the nonesnse started. Talked with Wyrly a bit but Rex was just ghosted the chat. Even if they basically got me killed I think its a bad idea to chase down the guild over some half cooked paranoid feeling that there might be a rat even as it makes little sense.
rex ghosting u feels like it could be telling. maybe he is the mole.
ty for the reads. the only thing i am curious about tho is that rex isn't in your scum reads. if u dont think there is a scum in ur guild chat, what do u think happened with the results?
Well the most likely thing I initially considered was an insane modifier on Wyrly. Something that reverses or randomizes their checks and gives bad info. I later drew the conclusion that is simply to bastard to be in the game.
Then I dug more and was looking at the odds. For there to be a mole there has to be some role that just got lucky N1 framing a scum as town, then Rex has to be scum as Wyrly joined D2 and fed their team info to paint their target N2. Which I have looked and I do not feel Wyrly even clearly projected their target to begin with. It was an out of context post saying "Confirmed Pie" without really looking like much of anything. I had shoved the guild multiple times to keep their actions vague because of this very situation being possible. That we should bounce ideas off etchother and consider possibilities but even Lunatic understood the importance of not even confirming if they would recruit, protect, or allow night actions.
how would they have known wryly was the cop to do that?
While I feel their target was rather unclear. They spoke about multiple players, they did clearly claim an alignment check.
rex ghosting u feels like it could be telling. maybe he is the mole.
Its possible. Would also be possible for Wyrly to be scum giving fake results but thats a pretty stupid play imo to the degree that I very much doubt it and all their behavior makes me feel they are town. As I was bouncing ideas off them they were constantly giving me context on players meta and details for me to consider and sort. Then they were genuinely upset with me when I flatly said I am not going to reveal half my role and that I am totally fine getting eliminated and getting out of the game.
I mean, there is kinda this feeling you can get interacting with people in real time. My take was that they were frustrated with me for not getting with the sites meta and it felt really towny. If not for their silly action record they would be lock town for me.
rex ghosting u feels like it could be telling. maybe he is the mole.
So this is my entire issue in this situation. Pie shoved this idea of a mole in everyones heads. He is playing for his secondary win condition gunning for a guild. I recognized that as he was pressured to reveal and kept laying the ground work to cast shade on the guild and I called it out over and over. It had nothing to do with their defence. While I think the potential of a mole may exist I simply do not feel its that likely. If Wyrly had not already had the bad check on Alyssa I would be more paranoid but 'if' there is a mole yes I do believe it would be Rex.
They stepped outside of the plan to push Pie where I was building a case to push with analysis instead of someone claiming an action and they went Leeroy Jinkins out of left field with no warning making the claim. Then they turned on me right after I was generating as much pressure as I could on Pie to help insulate or alignment cop from getting too involved and having to reveal. Then they screwed the pooch and revealed the whole team.
Shining seems like the play imo today and I am less interested in vetting my guild members for now. I question the entire assumption that the guild must have a rat. But I also have thousands of posts interacting with my guild that you guys do not. And I am really not kidding when I say that our guild chat is bigger than the entire game thread easily.
There are no pertinent questions other than the other half of your role and what night action you took. You claimed Yoo Jinho but that's inconclusive; scum were given fake claims. You claimed Odd Night Tracker but tracked no one. You claimed you used one other action which you will not disclose. None of this is enough to overturn our suspicion and behaviorally you're scummy as hell right now. What other relevant questions did you expect us to ask you?
In guild chat he explicitly said odd night tracker? That doesn't match what he said in day chat.
Staring at a 100% success rate in lynches and saying that the methodology leading to those lynches is horrible and comparing the players to monkeys is definitely a take.
For what it's worth, Helz, I still see a world where you are 3P and Rex is mafia as possible. Shining's claim hasn't gotten past me and I'm sure he's mafia as well. I'm actually more sure he's mafia than I am of you, but I'm sure you are not town and if I'm wrong, resolving your slot now helps resolve Rex in the future.
I don't think Wyrly is an insane cop. It doesn't make sense for the character to be insane. What would make sense is if she was paranoid. She actually thinks both hunters and monsters smell bad. All beings with magical power smell bad to her. The sole exception is Sung Jinwoo. If we are to assume she's paranoid to everyone but SJW, that would mean mafia bus drove Alyssa and SJW NP1. Given who I think SJW is, I could buy this. If we take this approach to Wyrly's power, then there doesn't have to be a mole in the guild. But this also requires us to continue down the path of mass claiming to decide if a paranoid cop is likely.
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I want a mass claim. If Helz is 3P this will at least possibly flush one more scum out before we lynch, and if Helz is scum it could flush the 3P out. I also want to see if anyone else has an odd/even night ability or multiple abilities.
For the record, I don't buy "I told the guild I'm going to pretend to be 3P" as a reason why you can't be 3P. Saying pregame that you are going to open wolf also has nothing to do with what alignment you would eventually be assigned.
Thousands of posts in guild chat also doesn't align with claims in day chat that you are being low effort this game. It sounds like you are setting yourself up to say after the game, "Well I'm actually better than all of you but I didn't try and you didn't actually catch me so fuck off with your inferior site meta that's below me."
Can you confirm that he explicitly claimed odd night tracker in the guild chat?
Your paranoia concerning me seems pretty misplaced. There are mechanisms that could easily explain my two false results, and fake claiming Cop is an exceedingly risky play from someone with very little scum experience.
Think about it. I would have had to know there are no Cops in the game, and Mikal did not say scum were given any role questions. The fake claim evidence suggests scum were not given role claims. I didn't claim some weird multi-ability power like Thoth, Alyssa, and now you. Claiming Cop would be an exceedingly risky blind play from someone with scant scum experience.
He said "odd day" but yeah.
I just got up jeez I'm repeating myself.
He said "odd day" but yeah.
Yet in day chat he claimed that he had to use a night action to acquire the goggles and then could track in following nights. At this point he's explicitly lying about how his role works.
rex ghosting u feels like it could be telling. maybe he is the mole.
It's not outside the realm of possibility, but I feel like Rex would come up with a less scummy-sounding fake claim. He was also on the Thoth wagon, the Alyssa wagon, and he voted Helz.
