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@Banana
"randomizes results" why are people still calling him a miller?
the question pies asking me all the time are questions that are designed to make me look scumy, and not look at alternative reasons for. why am i the only one that should be thinking of different reasons results can produce different actions? its abuntly clear there is several reasons for actions to interact with each other but it feels like ur just choosing to believe in the ones that put me in the poe over everyone else. idk why im the only one that has to answer these questions. if u have ur mind made up do what ur gonna do
When did I ever say that? I asked you to unpack your reads because all you have right now is “im not scum, awesome and REF are cause of POE.”
I’m asking you how it’s possible that what occurred occurred.
the question pies asking me all the time are questions that are designed to make me look scumy, and not look at alternative reasons for. why am i the only one that should be thinking of different reasons results can produce different actions? its abuntly clear there is several reasons for actions to interact with each other but it feels like ur just choosing to believe in the ones that put me in the poe over everyone else. idk why im the only one that has to answer these questions. if u have ur mind made up do what ur gonna do
Your behavior has been towny all game, but we're stuck with the same options as last DP:
There was no NK on NP3 because you're scum and Pie jailkept you
There was no NK on NP3 because scum tried to NK you and Pie jailkept you
There was no NK on NP3 because scum tried to kill Pie and Vader doctored Pie
There was no NK on NP3 because whiteflame is scum, injured Casey, and injuries work like poison WRT precluding a faction kill
And the first option still seems like the strongest, especially with Shining flipping town and my result on Rex. I struggle to understand why scum would try to kill Pie when they knew Vader would protect him, why they would try to NK you when they could go for whiteflame or Mestari if they were looking for undoctored targets, and why Mikal would give scum an Injurer and a Poisoner.
When did I ever say that? I asked you to unpack your reads because all you have right now is “im not scum, awesome and REF are cause of POE.”
I’m asking you how it’s possible that what occurred occurred.
i did give my reads
And the first option still seems like the strongest, especially with Shining flipping town and my result on Rex. I struggle to understand why scum would try to kill Pie when they knew Vader would protect him, why they would try to NK you when they could go for whiteflame or Mestari if they were looking for undoctored targets, and why Mikal would give scum an Injurer and a Poisoner.
i made this point already but it seems incredibly dumb that people are dismissing that pie would have been a nk target when the first night phase luna was killed. they are clearly targeting confirmed town despite the risk of protection, but somehow pie is exempt from that
i made this point already but it seems incredibly dumb that people are dismissing that pie would have been a nk target when the first night phase luna was killed. they are clearly targeting confirmed town despite the risk of protection, but somehow pie is exempt from that
But they knew that targeting Luna had a good margin for success because they had poisoned Mag1c. Solid chance the Doctor would heal Mag1c instead of protecting. That reasoning didn't apply to NP3. No reason for the Doctor not to target confirmed town.
i made this point already but it seems incredibly dumb that people are dismissing that pie would have been a nk target when the first night phase luna was killed. they are clearly targeting confirmed town despite the risk of protection, but somehow pie is exempt from that
NP0 Mag1c was Poisoned. It makes sense for the Doctor to heal them
But they knew that targeting Luna had a good margin for success because they had poisoned Mag1c. Solid chance the Doctor would heal Mag1c instead of protecting. That reasoning didn't apply to NP3. No reason for the Doctor not to target confirmed town.
iirc it wasn't confirmed that magic was town and ppl were suspect if he was even poisoned at that point. there no reason to think that is the better play unless you just want to believe the narrative that scum have no incentive to kill confirmed town for some reason
iirc it wasn't confirmed that magic was town and ppl were suspect if he was even poisoned at that point. there no reason to think that is the better play unless you just want to believe the narrative that scum have no incentive to kill confirmed town for some reason
Thats just a WIFOM argument. They know the odds of me being protected were high. But we don’t have to rehash this, cause we already did it last DP.
I want you to explain to me how both Awrsome and REF are scum with the revealed information
iirc it wasn't confirmed that magic was town and ppl were suspect if he was even poisoned at that point. there no reason to think that is the better play unless you just want to believe the narrative that scum have no incentive to kill confirmed town for some reason
I don't think the public paranoia that Mag1c was just doctorhunting was enough to dissuade scum from their diversion play. They still knew there was a decent chance the Doctor would go for the poison heal, and he did. In comparison, on NP3 there was like no reason why Vader wouldn't protect Pie.
Thats just a WIFOM argument. They know the odds of me being protected were high. But we don’t have to rehash this, cause we already did it last DP.
everything is wifom. ur whole case on me is wifom, its just the wifom u choose to belive
I want you to explain to me how both Awrsome and REF are scum with the revealed information
no. i want u to do that. results have been untrustworthy the entire game, and u r choosing to take results for granted. its frankly annoying, and i know i am town trying to come up with 50 hypothethicals for every situation in the game is a waste of my time, u have ur mind made up and will have a response to literly anything i said. ive done this with u b4 and im not doing it with you again. id rather just get mislynched and get on with my life
I don't think the public paranoia that Mag1c was just doctorhunting was enough to dissuade scum from their diversion play. They still knew there was a decent chance the Doctor would go for the poison heal, and he did. In comparison, on NP3 there was like no reason why Vader wouldn't protect Pie.
"i dont think this that or the other thing is likly therefor you are scum" is a pretty annoying argument to respond to. u have ur mind made up, have fun mislynching me ig.
everything is wifom. ur whole case on me is wifom, its just the wifom u choose to belive
What I’m saying is forget about that all together for now.
no. i want u to do that. results have been untrustworthy the entire game, and u r choosing to take results for granted. its frankly annoying, and i know i am town trying to come up with 50 hypothethicals for every situation in the game is a waste of my time, u have ur mind made up and will have a response to literly anything i said. ive done this with u b4 and im not doing it with you again. id rather just get mislynched and get on with my life
It’s my job to convince myself that you’re town. You just saying “I’m town” doesn’t cut it. Tell me why you’re town. What have you done that makes you town? I’m trying to square your reads, but they’re unsquarable. If you think Wryly is town and REF/Awesome are scum, explain her results to me. Do you think she’s an insane cop? What do you think happened.
Regarding awesome and Rex, can I at least get your opinion of #174
anything is possible. i no longer trust any results or actions in this game beyond pie being mod confirmed as its only led us down the wrong path.
anything is possible. i no longer trust any results or actions in this game beyond pie being mod confirmed as its only led us down the wrong path.
"Anything is possible" is not really an analysis of the mechanics or an attempt to explain the data as they stand.
I think Banana is basically outted at this point. I doubt she’s the Redirector/Deflector. Makes more sense that she’s a Lawyer with the innocent on Alyssa
Can you elaborate on this btw
It’s my job to convince myself that you’re town. You just saying “I’m town” doesn’t cut it. Tell me why you’re town. What have you done that makes you town? I’m trying to square your reads, but they’re unsquarable. If you think Wryly is town and REF/Awesome are scum, explain her results to me. Do you think she’s an insane cop? What do you think happened.
"guilty until i prove myself innocent" is what that logic is. i am town because my role card says i am town. if u think my behavior indicates otherwise that one thing, but ive been scum read entirely for mechanical reasons and poe, which have been proven to be untrustworthy this whole game. if ur job is to find scum assuming someone is scum and finding every reason for them not to be town is counter intutive to ur goal, but you found that out the hard way. and i have no clue whats going on with wryly and am not anywhere near good enoiugh at this game to begin to understand why results have been so weird this game beyond the possibilties that have been voiced and expressed by u and others already.
u keep wanting me to explain every situation that results in me being town mechanically, im just not gonig to do that because i have no clue about this games design. also people keep saying that anything i say is "tmi" or "doing this for town cred" so if any defense i have for myself will get used against me anyway, why bother? im gonna start turning this around on u. if u r town in my position what do u say here? u keep wanting me to find reasons for why i am town, so i want u to do the same. assume i am town and do it. if u refuse then you will begin to understand fmpov how annoying this is
"Anything is possible" is not really an analysis of the mechanics or an attempt to explain the data as they stand.
i dont really care about mechanics. they are too advanced and crazy for me to understand, and we keep pretending to know them for some reason. they have been unreliable so far, so if you want to continue to rely on them and get mislynch after mislynch be my guest
my bad Banana lemme change my pfp back
Sorry that must've been annoying for a minute there
my bad Banana lemme change my pfp back
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Can you elaborate on this btw
I confirmed with Mikal that my JK processes before Redirector or Deflector, meaning she couldn’t have interfered with my action. It would have to be here partner. With the way Alyssa showed innocent, she was probably Lawyered. 1+1=2 = Banana prob has Lawyer
I think the only mechanics that have been untrustworthy are my Cop results, and I don't think they've even been especially untrustworthy so much as Mikal withheld really important details. If I'd known the opposing guild always investigated as guilty I would never have investigated anyone I thought was in the Hunters.
ur cop results are your entire reason for this poe arg
I confirmed with Mikal that my JK processes before Redirector or Deflector, meaning she couldn’t have interfered with my action. It would have to be here partner. With the way Alyssa showed innocent, she was probably Lawyered. 1+1=2 = Banana prob has Lawyer
Ah ty.
So her partner redirected you and carried out the NK. And her partner is (presumably?) the Ant King, since Alyssa was lawyered before she died.
ur cop results are your entire reason for this poe arg
Sorry, to clarify: I don't think there's a good argument to make that mechanics analysis is meaningless here just because I got an inno on Alyssa and a guilty on Pie. A Lawyer explains the inno on Alyssa and the guilty on Pie was because Mikal didn't tell me the opposing guild investigates as guilty.
"guilty until i prove myself innocent" is what that logic is.
It’s why we lynch people. There is no innocent until proven guilty in this game. That’s antithetical to the game
i am town because my role card says i am town.
Okay, but that’s what scum would say too. Objectively, this doesn’t hold any weight.
if u think my behavior indicates otherwise that one thing,
That’s what I’m trying to determine. I’ve seen good things and bad things. You were providing outs for both Thoth and Alyssa, while scum reading them. I’m trying to further read you by asking you questions, but you’re non stop just saying “idc lynch me, I’m town.”
but ive been scum read entirely for mechanical reasons and poe, which have been proven to be untrustworthy this whole game. if ur job is to find scum assuming someone is scum and finding every reason for them not to be town is counter intutive to ur goal, but you found that out the hard way. and i have no clue whats going on with wryly and am not anywhere near good enoiugh at this game to begin to understand why results have been so weird this game beyond the possibilties that have been voiced and expressed by u and others already.
u keep wanting me to explain every situation that results in me being town mechanically, im just not gonig to do that because i have no clue about this games design. also people keep saying that anything i say is "tmi" or "doing this for town cred" so if any defense i have for myself will get used against me anyway, why bother? im gonna start turning this around on u. if u r town in my position what do u say here? u keep wanting me to find reasons for why i am town, so i want u to do the same. assume i am town and do it. if u refuse then you will begin to understand fmpov how annoying this is
No, I’m asking how your POE and scumreads square with the results of someone you townread. You just saying i don’t know, isn’t a valid argument.
If I were in your spot, I would explain how your read squares with Wryly’s results. Help solve the game, instead of sitting twidling your thumbs and just blaming everything on Mikal. Have some reads besides POE. What items behaviorally make you scum read REF and Awesome