Amber Mafia

A-Gerard wrote:

A-Caine wrote:

A-Gerard wrote:

A-Caine wrote:

A-Gerard wrote:

Gotta say, not a fan of your entry to the game so far. It’s early so I’ll let you cook. But the type of posts you’ve made so far almost make me wanna buy the theory mentioned that people in the scum PM are roleplaying as each other. That or you are going for a heavy RVS style of play which is also out of character.

Would like a thought and reads post from you at some point.

Agree. I hate how they were so enthusiastic about lynching me on post #125 and completely dropped it after I claimed and you moved on.

Well he didn't completely drop it, because he said he was willing to lynch either of the VT's, so that is kind of why I am wondering why he's going for such a strong RVS play this game rather than really trying. Last game as confirmed town he was asking tons of questions especially in the last day phase. Not seeing that is raising red flags and triggering alarm bells. But again it's early.

So much for an anonymous game lol

Well not a single person so far as even really attempted to disguise their posting styles or change the times from when they are usually active. So cat's out of the bag on this one. In my situation I literally can't hide who I am because I am a night owl working grave yard shifts, so it would be pretty obvious to anyone who I was when I am posting neurotically all night lol. That said there is a chance people are meta gaming this and trying to pretend to be other people. I am open to that for sure.

Yeah and my cover is blown for all the testing during the game lol.

A-Flora wrote:

A-Gerard wrote:

Gotta say, not a fan of your entry to the game so far. It’s early so I’ll let you cook. But the type of posts you’ve made so far almost make me wanna buy the theory mentioned that people in the scum PM are roleplaying as each other. That or you are going for a heavy RVS style of play which is also out of character.

Would like a thought and reads post from you at some point.

RVS style is what generates activity, and I would disagree that it is out of character. I’ll reread and post my reads. The vote count spam is pissing me off tho

That's kind of my point though, is that it is in character enough for you to use it as an excuse for a mislynch "I would do this as town" even though I don't think that's neccesarily true. I have seen you drop RVS or policy style lynches shortly after adopting them after changing your read before. So it comes down to whether I am just jumping the gun instead of letting you cook here, or you are actually wanting to just straight up lynch one of the VT's.

A-Flora wrote:

. The vote count spam is pissing me off tho

Yeah I may need to work on this a little bit. For now it’s important for folks to call up a post count request when voting to make sure the vote actually properly registered.

Also were already at 300 posts in less than 24 hours. I don't think activity generation is a huge problem yet. Though certain people need to post more, looking at you Fiona, Julian and Llewella!

A-Gerard wrote:

A-Martin wrote:

A-Flora wrote:

VTL: A-Martin

idk what u want from me. i was happy enough to comply with u when u asked me to claim, but now ur voting me lol

What's your read on flora?

i am not a fan of his vote for me but i dont really scum read it either. i just came off a scum game so i imagine people will have their guard up around me for a while. i think he would give me a fair shake before lynching me tho

A-Bleys wrote:

yeah what even is this

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/57/amber-mafia?comment_number=121

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/57/amber-mafia?comment_number=122

bleys dude lets buddy

Yeah Gerard and Brand both seem scummy to me. Brand for the mass claim float, Gerard for the role PM OGI and weird reactions - just seems like scum trying to scumhunt knowing it's safe and will produce nothing.

u seem a bit obsessed with gerard this game, it comes off as a bit defensive from ur interactions

Are you town?

u seem a bit obsessed with gerard this game, it comes off as a bit defensive from ur interactions

I mentioned you as a town read and now it feels like your buddying me lol. Hmm....

I’m exhausted and wil be going to bed. See y’all tomorrow. Going to push more changes through tomorrow hopefully.

A-Bleys wrote:

An interesting strategy by the scum team would be for different posters in the scum team to imitate one another's posting style to sow confusion and misdirect night action calculus.

That’s very very challenging for people to do. And I don’t think they can switch accounts amongst themselves at will either

A-Martin wrote:

fine lol. u love lynching me.

Why do you take this to mean only you?

A-Martin wrote:

i always do...

I thought u were someone else lol oops

Alright, I at least got caught up so I can give some basic reads. Not going to put something down for everyone, but I at least want to get out some initial thoughts.

I don't really get the decision by Martin to claim so quickly after Caine, but I'm pretty null on both. I would not be surprised if there were at least 2 VTs in this game, so while claiming Vanilla early in the game does come off as a little safe, it doesn't seem unrealistic. Caine claiming under real pressure and Martin being a little more hair-trigger about it mainly comes down to their different playstyles, so I don't get jumping on Martin after their claim. In particular, Flora's willingness to just go ahead with a lynch on the VTs and pushing Martin just seems weird and opportunistic. Random's not far behind.

Harder for me to dismiss the push for the mass claim by Brand. It's weird that it came up after two VT claims as though that somehow moved the needle towards discussion of a mass claim. Not unusual for someone to bring it up at some point, but the timing plus it still being early DP1 doesn't help how this looks. It's just one post broaching the topic, but it rubs me the wrong way.

I like Gerard's activity so far, even if a lot of it has taken him down rabbit holes that have served as distractions. I'm still digging through posts to understand some of his reads, but I think his activity largely looks good and he sees to be deriving what he can from each player. It's way more than I can see atm, and while I'm not as sold on the same players as he is, I still think it all leans slightly town to me.

A-Random wrote:

One of the two who claimed could likely be scum. I think the latter. Not sure what vt is but im assuming that's the vanilla in this game and scum will be forced to claim that.

Thats the thing though, if enough people claim VT, it increases the odds that there’s scum in there. 13 player game so probably 10-3 of 9-3-1. Probably 4-5 vanillas max is what I would guess. You’re already half way there

A-Random wrote:

One of the two who claimed could likely be scum. I think the latter. Not sure what vt is but im assuming that's the vanilla in this game and scum will be forced to claim that.

Thats the thing though, if enough people claim VT, it increases the odds that there’s scum in there. 13 player game so probably 10-3 of 9-3-1. Probably 4-5 vanillas max is what I would guess. You’re already half way there

A-Random wrote:

I dislike Martin jumping in to claim vt. Other one claimed it because of pressure. He didnt have to but given how often he dies for playing like an idiot, I can see him claiming with a little pressure

Martin jumping in and just adding to that does nothing. As town it just narrows down scum poe for them. At worst he's scum. At best he's anti town

It’s hard with this player, but I think the strategy is to avoid more than 3 people claim and POE the Vanillas. It makes it harder and harder for scum to claim Vanilla

A-Flora wrote:

A-Random wrote:

One of the two who claimed could likely be scum. I think the latter. Not sure what vt is but im assuming that's the vanilla in this game and scum will be forced to claim that.

Thats the thing though, if enough people claim VT, it increases the odds that there’s scum in there. 13 player game so probably 10-3 of 9-3-1. Probably 4-5 vanillas max is what I would guess. You’re already half way there

1. This game may have far more VTs than normal games on here.

2. The more VTs claim the more it helps mafia narrow down the Pr hunt.

3. There’s no reason to think mafia can’t gambit by claiming a PR.

A-Gerard wrote:

Kind of wondering if Randoms ignorance about who people are is an actual slip or if he is playing it up

What do you mean ignorance? Sounds like they’re actively thinking about who’s who

A-Brand wrote:

I think the main topic for today should be whether or not to mass-claim.

Theres no point in mass claiming. Imo the strategy is to get 3 people to claim, and assuming they’re all vanilla, make them fight amongst each other. Help draw the lines on the wagons. Get reactions from everyone else. And if there’s someone outside who slips or anything, divert to them

Magoroth wrote:

Important Announcement

I neglected to mention this in the rules, but simple crytopgraphic cyphers are allowed this game to protect one’s identity. Any code must be solvable by hand, and you need to explain to me how it’s solved.

Laal phool, peela phool, munna bhaiya bootiful

A-Llewella wrote:

VTL: A-Brand

Any thing else to contribute and why?

Automated Vote Count

This vote count was generated by the mafia vote bot.

A-Brand (3/7): A-Random (p#215), A-Llewella (p#222), A-Bleys (p#232)

A-Llewella (2/7): A-Brand (p#6), A-Oberon (p#273)

A-Martin (1/7): A-Flora (p#199)

A-Flora (1/7): A-Caine (p#290)

Not Voting (5): A-Deirdre, A-Fiona, A-Gerard (p#174), A-Julian, A-Martin (p#171)

With 12 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day phase ends in 2 days, 17 hours.

A-Flora wrote:

A-Bleys wrote:

An interesting strategy by the scum team would be for different posters in the scum team to imitate one another's posting style to sow confusion and misdirect night action calculus.

That’s very very challenging for people to do. And I don’t think they can switch accounts amongst themselves at will either

Not really imo. Lets say Banana is on the scum team. She starts using normal grammar, punctuation, and capitalization. Someone else on the scum team starts to mimic her style and rips their shift key off the keyboard. Now if they were posting side by side you could probably spot the real Banana. But if Banana was also roleplaying as someone else? You would start to feel schizo if you questioned whether the only person posting like Banana actually was Banana.

A-Flora wrote:

Are you town?

Yah.

A-Llewella wrote:

No

Why not? Cause uk it pisses me off

A-Flora wrote:

A-Gerard wrote:

Kind of wondering if Randoms ignorance about who people are is an actual slip or if he is playing it up

What do you mean ignorance? Sounds like they’re actively thinking about who’s who

I have kind of got the sense that its genuine since I first posted that. But I guess people's identities just seemed extremely obvious to me so I was wondering if he was faking it.

A-Martin wrote:

A-Bleys wrote:

yeah what even is this

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/57/amber-mafia?comment_number=121

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/57/amber-mafia?comment_number=122

bleys dude lets buddy

Yeah Gerard and Brand both seem scummy to me. Brand for the mass claim float, Gerard for the role PM OGI and weird reactions - just seems like scum trying to scumhunt knowing it's safe and will produce nothing.

u seem a bit obsessed with gerard this game, it comes off as a bit defensive from ur interactions

Well yeah he kinda pushed me on several bullshit angles, of course I'm going to be defensive. Maybe it was a gambit, but maybe it wasn't.

A-Oberon wrote:

Gerard is highly sus, but I like the enthusiasm from Flora wanting to lynch Caine.

Lucille says thank you

A-Gerard wrote:

A-Bleys wrote:

yeah what even is this

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/57/amber-mafia?comment_number=121

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/57/amber-mafia?comment_number=122

bleys dude lets buddy

Yeah Gerard and Brand both seem scummy to me. Brand for the mass claim float, Gerard for the role PM OGI and weird reactions - just seems like scum trying to scumhunt knowing it's safe and will produce nothing.

I don't think my analysis has been completely OGI. Again, lurking isn't OGI. Suspecting someone of a slip made on context that should happen in a mafia PM rather than a DP is not OGI.

That said, is it really that out of character for me to have OGI be a factor in my reads? I townread Rex HARD in the last game specifically because they were added to the game late, and turns out they were actually fuckin town, imagine that!

I don't know who any of you are and tbh I'm not going to waste time trying to figure it out.

A-Bleys wrote:

yeah what even is this

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/57/amber-mafia?comment_number=121

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/57/amber-mafia?comment_number=122

bleys dude lets buddy

Yeah Gerard and Brand both seem scummy to me. Brand for the mass claim float, Gerard for the role PM OGI and weird reactions - just seems like scum trying to scumhunt knowing it's safe and will produce nothing.

I think Gerard’s antics are NAI. Brand mass claiming float is retarded. I think I know who he his, and the question is if it’s WIFOM

A-Flora wrote:

A-Random wrote:

One of the two who claimed could likely be scum. I think the latter. Not sure what vt is but im assuming that's the vanilla in this game and scum will be forced to claim that.

Thats the thing though, if enough people claim VT, it increases the odds that there’s scum in there. 13 player game so probably 10-3 of 9-3-1. Probably 4-5 vanillas max is what I would guess. You’re already half way there

I think late VT claims will ping me as more suspicious than early ones, but its not completely out of the question one of the two are scum. I would want significantly more evidence to read them behaviorally against before going that direction.