Amber Mafia

A-Gerard wrote:

This is what you said. This statement is objectively false.

In hindsight maybe I viewed that incorrectly from his statement, but his response also doesn't conflict with this. He doesn't specifically say in that response that there aren't other roles beyond the list. If he told Dierdre it was exhaustive maybe that indicated that to him, but I didn't get that response. I assumed logically that if some of those roles could not be in the game, then there can also be roles not on the list in the game.

Idk how you make this assumption with Mago, but okay lol

Idk how you make this assumption with Mago, but okay lol

That part never really factored much into my analysis much either way, I have have said a few times that if anyone claims a role on that list other than vanilla townie, they will be basically confirmed in my eyes.

A-Gerard wrote:

Idk how you make this assumption with Mago, but okay lol

That part never really factored much into my analysis much either way, I have have said a few times that if anyone claims a role on that list other than vanilla townie, they will be basically confirmed in my eyes.

Early on, obviously. Later in the game, not so much.

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A-Flora wrote:

A-Llewella wrote:

Your wagon seems like where it should be. You presented a plan arguing a mech crunch where there was none and have constantly shoved people for role reveals in a game I over and over ask how reveals help solve. I question your intentions and am only on Bleys to keep them in the situation for EoD

Ive already explained why you’re wrong, and you haven’t said anything. It’s objectively true that scum are likely to claim Vanilla this early in the game. If you disagree, explain to me how.

I feel like I have argued that exact position. If I expanded on the dynamics I would just be coaching scum how to make claims even more useless. I’m not sure what you disagree on

I think you keep demanding a specific thing you want from me that I am not giving you, and you are ignoring the things of solid value that I am giving you.

A specific thing? Give me anything lol.

I am not trying to be hostile, but I generally make up my mind before a game starts the play style I will use. Sorry if you dislike my choice.

Do you think it's a reasonable excuse for a soccer player to play a match with his legs tied together so he can challenge himself? Is it reasonable for his team mates to dislike that decision since it effects them as well? It's a team game. Maybe you can still score a goal with your feet tied together but its going to be harder for your team to play around you and interact with you.

You don't seem to care about inhibiting your team though, so I don't see much to discuss about it, and really just have to focus on analyzing if this is behavior someone who is a part of my soccer team would do, or if they are a double agent working for the other team.

A-Gerard wrote:

I think you keep demanding a specific thing you want from me that I am not giving you, and you are ignoring the things of solid value that I am giving you.

A specific thing? Give me anything lol.

I am not trying to be hostile, but I generally make up my mind before a game starts the play style I will use. Sorry if you dislike my choice.

Do you think it's a reasonable excuse for a soccer player to play a match with his legs tied together so he can challenge himself? Is it reasonable for his team mates to dislike that decision since it effects them as well? It's a team game. Maybe you can still score a goal with your feet tied together but its going to be harder for your team to play around you and interact with you.

You don't seem to care about inhibiting your team though, so I don't see much to discuss about it, and really just have to focus on analyzing if this is behavior someone who is a part of my soccer team would do, or if they are a double agent working for the other team.

Well let me put this in more real terms.

Tomorrow I have a day where I have 5 meetings. By tomorrow I mean the first one starts in about 7 hours.

Can I go super try hard in a game all out? Yes. Some games I recognize I have life obligations and say "I will voice what I can in few words given a community does not bother reading walls"

Is that Selfish or is that just giving what I can given irl obligations to the game and what the community can handle reading?

You want to see me absolutely power town unhinged mode. I get that. This is a game I expected to start like a month and a half ago and have real life obligations. Its not gona happen. Take what I give you and stop pushing me for what you want or just kill me for not giving it to you and I will shrug about it post game like I did last time.

Oh, And if Brand gets rid of the 11 year old BDSM thing I will get rid of my vomit avatar. (Positive thing for the world...)

Well let me put this in more real terms.

Tomorrow I have a day where I have 5 meetings. By tomorrow I mean the first one starts in about 7 hours.

Can I go super try hard in a game all out? Yes. Some games I recognize I have life obligations and say "I will voice what I can in few words given a community does not bother reading walls"

Is that Selfish or is that just giving what I can given irl obligations to the game and what the community can handle reading?

Okay so you lied about trying to challenge yourself then. Why?

If it's an activity thing we can work around it, we are doing that all the time with other players, like Fiona and Bleys. The difference was that you were online and posting, going back and forth with me but not giving up anything. And this community does read walls, players like Diedre post exclusively in walls, and most of us have tons of respect for that player and their abilities.

You want to see me absolutely power town unhinged mode. I get that.

Well that's how you presented yourself in the last game. You wrote a guide on how to play mafia effectively, and were lecturing people for ending phases too fast after successful scum lynches. You go from that to not providing any sort of direction for the day phase, you have to realize that people are going to raise their eyebrows.

This is a game I expected to start like a month and a half ago and have real life obligations. Its not gona happen. Take what I give you and stop pushing me for what you want or just kill me for not giving it to you and I will shrug about it post game like I did last time.

Again, I already did. I happen to suspect flora a bit more than you atm so you get a temproary pass for it. Plus your behavior is slightly better, though you still haven't really given a firm stance or push towards a player other than Bleys for inactivity and echoing dismay about Floras VT policy lynch

I suspect Flora as well. I have given pools of players I do not want touched today and pools I am willing to eliminate. I have not shoved either but my vote is a call for attention on one. What do you want from me?

The most critical pieces I can give is that LW's and codes should be done every day.

One counters disguise and the other enables what may be the towns only invest. I can not say this enough times.

I suspect Flora as well. I have given pools of players I do not want touched today and pools I am willing to eliminate. I have not shoved either but my vote is a call for attention on one. What do you want from me?

Honesty would be a start. Most of this could have been avoided if you just came right out and said "My life is hectic right now, don't expect me to be able to invest as much effort as I did in the last game". I would have understood. Others would have understood. You told us you had court in the sign ups of the last game, and we gave you plenty of grace for that. Now I have to sit here and wonder if you lied about doing some self challenge play for nefarious reasons, when we've seen you be honest about your activity and posting schedule in the past. The whole brain fuck was for nothing.

Also the other thing that doesn't make sense to me is how you were doing it. Like you were still online last night and typing to me, but were specifically avoiding giving any sort of read or game direction. I would have accepted "I don't know yet" as an answer. Most people have null reads in their read lists. It's day phase one, not knowing how to read everyone is fine. But the benefit to asking for reads and direction isn't just to prod you for activity, it's to start making behavioral links between you and the people on your reads. Say we lynch Flora, and they are scum. Now that I know your stance on them I can say you reading them as scum early could earn you town cred. Having this information last night would prove more helpful in that scenario, before the wagon on him began. Now if he flips scum and you don't add your voice to him until later, it looks more like mafia would be willing to bus because Flora seems more like a lost cause. Just an example. I don't have to explain associative tells to you, you clearly understand them because you pressed thoth for them after we lynched him in the last game so you know what I mean here.

A-Gerard wrote:

I suspect Flora as well. I have given pools of players I do not want touched today and pools I am willing to eliminate. I have not shoved either but my vote is a call for attention on one. What do you want from me?

Honesty would be a start. Most of this could have been avoided if you just came right out and said "My life is hectic right now, don't expect me to be able to invest as much effort as I did in the last game". I would have understood. Others would have understood. You told us you had court in the sign ups of the last game, and we gave you plenty of grace for that. Now I have to sit here and wonder if you lied about doing some self challenge play for nefarious reasons, when we've seen you be honest about your activity and posting schedule in the past. The whole brain fuck was for nothing.

Also the other thing that doesn't make sense to me is how you were doing it. Like you were still online last night and typing to me, but were specifically avoiding giving any sort of read or game direction. I would have accepted "I don't know yet" as an answer. Most people have null reads in their read lists. It's day phase one, not knowing how to read everyone is fine. But the benefit to asking for reads and direction isn't just to prod you for activity, it's to start making behavioral links between you and the people on your reads. Say we lynch Flora, and they are scum. Now that I know your stance on them I can say you reading them as scum early could earn you town cred. Having this information last night would prove more helpful in that scenario, before the wagon on him began. Now if he flips scum and you don't add your voice to him until later, it looks more like mafia would be willing to bus because Flora seems more like a lost cause. Just an example. I don't have to explain associative tells to you, you clearly understand them because you pressed thoth for them after we lynched him in the last game so you know what I mean here.

Well I am not going for town cred. I am putting as much effort into this game as I did the last one. Just this one you do not get the inside understanding of why.

You now get to see how everyone else in the game felt about my play that game. My only current play is drawing Bleys into the conversation.

Well I am not going for town cred. I am putting as much effort into this game as I did the last one. Just this one you do not get the inside understanding of why.

Me town reading you last game was majorly for theDm's, but I think I would have town read you for the posts in general in the day phase. I am not telling you to strive for being town read, but to provide your thoughts and let people know where your head is at like you did in the last game, IE the only ever game any of us have seen your town play in. No one here knows how you play as scum, outside of what you told the mason chat about your abilities. So naturally if we see you behaving differently in the very next game, again, it's going to raise eyebrows if you aren't giving any sort of heads up about why you are doing it, and then later confess to lying about why you did it.

I was confirmed town last game, so I did kind of what you are doing here, and kept most of my reads in the discord chat with you guys. Being confirmed, I had the luxury of being able to do that. Notice I didn't provide a single read other than my lynch target, because there was no reason to. I can't do that in every game, because I am not town confirmed in every game, so it's my obligation to share where I am at with the rest of you so you can decide for yourselves whether or not my reads are genuine or not.

If I was just to not post reasons for anything, you would be right to suspect me. But also imagine what it would be like to play with 11 other people all doing the same thing. How would you accomplish anything?

I will re-state my goal

Saying in very few words as much as I can and not wall posting.

I have said a lot more than you give me credit for as you demand more.

A-Llewella wrote:

I will re-state my goal

Saying in very few words as much as I can and not wall posting.

I have said a lot more than you give me credit for as you demand more.

I did give you credit for recent posts. I mean you told me you lied to me about this challenge your doing actually being about available time and activity as opposed to being a real challenge, so don't expect people to town read you. Have fun doing whatever your doing I guess, hope it works out for you.

Automated Vote Count

This vote count was generated by the mafia vote bot.

A-Brand (4/7): A-Random (p#215), A-Flora (p#533), A-Bleys (p#232), A-Oberon (p#729)

A-Flora (4/7): A-Caine (p#290), A-Gerard (p#649), A-Julian (p#646), A-Martin (p#774)

A-Llewella (2/7): A-Brand (p#6), A-Deirdre (p#628)

A-Bleys (1/7): A-Llewella (p#670)

Not Voting (1): A-Fiona

With 12 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day phase ends in 12 hours.

7 hours remaining yall. Bout time to start deciding on a lynch when you wake up. I say Flora over brand personally.

Flora is either confirmable as one of the 6 town roles in the set up, or he's vanilla, which makes him a good lynch target for wanting to lynch other vanillas after being one himself. If he's confirmable I say we lynch between bleys and fiona, I have a stronger preference for Fiona because I think Bleys will be more active but tends to not like dp1, and I have just actually nothing for fiona.

Can you message wryly to see if they will replace Fiona?

A-Gerard wrote:

Can you message wryly to see if they will replace Fiona?

I’ll see what I can do

A-Gerard wrote:

Flora is either confirmable as one of the 6 town roles in the set up, or he's vanilla, which makes him a good lynch target for wanting to lynch other vanillas after being one himself. If he's confirmable I say we lynch between bleys and fiona, I have a stronger preference for Fiona because I think Bleys will be more active but tends to not like dp1, and I have just actually nothing for fiona.

Lmfao. So you’re fine lynching Vanillas too? Say I claim Vanilla. Have you considered that it means that Caine and Martin are less likely to be town from my POV?

Automated Vote Count

This vote count was generated by the mafia vote bot.

A-Brand (4/7): A-Random (p#215), A-Flora (p#533), A-Bleys (p#232), A-Oberon (p#729)

A-Flora (4/7): A-Caine (p#290), A-Gerard (p#649), A-Julian (p#646), A-Martin (p#774)

A-Llewella (2/7): A-Brand (p#6), A-Deirdre (p#628)

A-Bleys (1/7): A-Llewella (p#670)

Not Voting (1): A-Fiona

With 12 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day phase ends in 7 hours.

Lmfao. So you’re fine lynching Vanillas too?

Why wouldn't I be? I haven't been anti-lynching vanilla, its anti-lynching someone JUST for being vanilla lol.

Say I claim Vanilla. Have you considered that it means that Caine and Martin are less likely to be town from my POV?

Like I said, bare minimum there is 2-3 vanillas, and potentially more. 6 towns roles potentially exist, but according to mago some of them may not exist. If that's the case there are likely even more vanillas. And yes I think its scummy for you not to have realized that and pushed someone simply for being vanilla.

A-Gerard wrote:

Lmfao. So you’re fine lynching Vanillas too?

Why wouldn't I be? I haven't been anti-lynching vanilla, its anti-lynching someone JUST for being vanilla lol.

You’re literally following the strat I’m following lmaoo but okay. I specifically said that you can pick the third person. I also have posted my reads. I prefer Brands slot to claim and then lynch Brands or Martin for behavioral reasons. Also would be fine replacing Brands with Llewella

Say I claim Vanilla. Have you considered that it means that Caine and Martin are less likely to be town from my POV?

Like I said, bare minimum there is 2-3 vanillas, and potentially more. 6 towns roles potentially exist, but according to mago some of them may not exist. If that's the case there are likely even more vanillas. And yes I think its scummy for you not to have realized that and pushed someone simply for being vanilla.

I literally said in my first post that I’m assuming that there are 6 vanillas. If there are even less then that, then odds are even better than 33% lol. It’s literally math. And you also realize that if I claim Vanilla, I know that I’m 100% a vanilla and that makes it less likely that other people are. So from my POV if 3 other people claim Vanilla, 3/8 are likely to be scum aka 37.5%.

You’re literally following the strat I’m following lmaoo but okay. I specifically said that you can pick the third person. I also have posted my reads. I prefer Brands slot to claim and then lynch Brands or Martin for behavioral reasons. Also would be fine replacing Brands with Llewella

Except I want to lynch you for behavioral reasons and the behavioral reason you want to lynch martin for is... perceived passive aggressiveness? Really? But we are 3 hours away form EOD so if your letting me choose the third person, lets let it be you, because at this point I am ready to lynch you, or default an inactive if you are confirmed.

I literally said in my first post that I’m assuming that there are 6 vanillas. If there are even less then that, then odds are even better than 33% lol. It’s literally math. And you also realize that if I claim Vanilla, I know that I’m 100% a vanilla and that makes it less likely that other people are. So from my POV if 3 other people claim Vanilla, 3/8 are likely to be scum aka 37.5%.

Are you claiming vanilla or is this all wifom?

Alright, with limited time to figure shit out this DP, it's time to figure out a lynch. I'll start with an unvote.

UNVOTE

I really don't love that Llewella's excuse for lower investment/less detailed posts/limited reads (the closest they've gotten is segregating some players into "not interested" and "interested" for a lynch today, which is something, but even that only included 8 players) has changed from an attempt to challenge themselves to just being straight up busy, but it's not enough reason for me to pursue their lynch this DP.

As for who to lynch from here, I don't mind pursuing either Fiona or Bleys largely based on inactivity, though if I had to pick one, it would be Bleys. He pinged me a few times earlier in the DP and while Fiona.

Apart from them, much as I don't like picking between the VT claims just because they have claimed VT, I can at least see a case against Martin, albeit I think there are behavioral reasons to pursue others over her. I can't say I fully agree with Flora's reasoning for pursuing VTs, particularly in the numbers game, but I get it well enough that I don't think he's scummy. I'd like a third claim and I wouldn't mind if it's him, but he's not my priority atm.

Didn't finish that thought:

He (Bleys) pinged me a few times earlier in the DP while Fiona just hasn't posted enough for me to get a read.

I can't say I fully agree with Flora's reasoning for pursuing VTs, particularly in the numbers game, but I get it well enough that I don't think he's scummy. I'd like a third claim and I wouldn't mind if it's him, but he's not my priority atm.

Interesting. Noted.