Clocking into work now. I'm off tomorrow and can finish then.
Clocking into work now. I'm off tomorrow and can finish then.
A-Bleys wrote:
In the 220s my question is, if Random blackmailed Oberon, he would know the condition tied to the blackmail and he would know if it was broken already. Why would he push to lynch someone who he knows will die?
To save his partner? Why else would he derail the lynch
The post from my other account was not intentional. I have the password saved and clicked the wrong login. Literally am posting from a war room at work on small breaks.
Deir im going to appeal to you 1) because I know you 2) because you know my play better than anyone still in the game. You are not cced so unless there is a massive gambit. You are towb
A) I played this game because Gerald asked me to and based on his interactions I had already town blocked him. He knows me better than anyone and is faster to catch me than anyone as well. He had me as a hard town read. In what world would I kill him. I would have kept him alive and buddied him. It makes no sense to kill him
B) I soft claimed my role DP1 and why I wanted to lynch between vanillas. I have been consistent
C) I don't regret my read on Oberon. I really did think scum had a win con and a stall could win them the game potentially and he always takes gambits
D) my reads are not perfect. As I mentioned I played this for Connor and also because the site needs mafia activity. But there has been no chance for me to build out reads like I normally do because of the amount of posts and because of the new job
I urge you to look at this push because its an easy mislynch in mafia eyes
Bout to log off to go back to work and this weekend is mothers day so will be on limited for a while
My gut says caine. Hes been all over the place this entire game. Town read me heavily. Jumped on the oberon idea when I was wrong and no adjusting his logic when im on the table. He seems overly opportunistic. I struggle to read between his poor reads and town play and his scum play but I do not like his play this game. As gerald mentioned. Even last game his reads were better and consistent. This seems all over the place
If not him. Look at the people that are genuinely frustrated with angle shooting as mafia would be mad that he hasn't killed me
Either way leaving it in your hand brother. If you've did some wild gambit as scum congrats but I dont see a world where its possible. I am town and hope you actually come to that conclusion. If not then its on me for not being around much and actually being able to keep up. I hate losing but aint putting this before my job. Gl with whatever you decide.
We've got enough time left in the DP to take our time with it, so I'm not committing to my reads entirely. There's a mix of good points and weaker ones coming from Random and Bleys.
@Bleys I did clock how odd it was for Random to continue to push on Oberon knowing that he was set to die by the end of the DP due to the Blackmailer. And I don't agree with Caine that he'd do pursue Oberon to save Fiona. Oberon was almost certain to never be the lynch. That being said, I went back and checked and the Blackmailer would have retained it's 1X charge if no one had been killed by it. It's possible that he wanted to lynch Oberon to be able to use the Blackmailer again, though the big flaw there is that it would have been far less likely to work the second time around after Oberon flipped town and everyone was ready for the effect. I can see the value in Random getting the lynch, but again, he had to know this lynch wasn't going to happen if he was scum. It's just a weird push.
@Random
A) I played this game because Gerald asked me to and based on his interactions I had already town blocked him. He knows me better than anyone and is faster to catch me than anyone as well. He had me as a hard town read. In what world would I kill him. I would have kept him alive and buddied him. It makes no sense to kill him
I'm a little hesitant to townread you chiefly based on Gerard's read, and as for killing him, that's an issue of WIFOM. Maybe you would have killed him to use this very argument. It's a small point in your favor that he townread you solidly, though my experience playing with him previously has told me that he does sometimes shake solid townreads as the game goes on.
B) I soft claimed my role DP1 and why I wanted to lynch between vanillas. I have been consistent
Softclaiming VT, particularly in this game, doesn't matter much to me. There are too many VTs and many of you softclaimed early.
C) I don't regret my read on Oberon. I really did think scum had a win con and a stall could win them the game potentially and he always takes gambits
This is a better point in your favor just because I don't think you'd push this avenue as scum, but I've already covered that.
D) my reads are not perfect. As I mentioned I played this for Connor and also because the site needs mafia activity. But there has been no chance for me to build out reads like I normally do because of the amount of posts and because of the new job
I believe you're actually busy, that's just NAI for me.
My gut says caine. Hes been all over the place this entire game. Town read me heavily. Jumped on the oberon idea when I was wrong and no adjusting his logic when im on the table. He seems overly opportunistic. I struggle to read between his poor reads and town play and his scum play but I do not like his play this game. As gerald mentioned. Even last game his reads were better and consistent. This seems all over the place
I'm strongly considering Caine already.
If not him. Look at the people that are genuinely frustrated with angle shooting as mafia would be mad that he hasn't killed me
The point about angle-shooting, particularly from you, is really not persuasive as a reason why you would be scum. Anyone who knows you knows this is normal behavior, which may be a large part of why Gerard townread you. It's not a strong alignment indicator for me, but I get the frustration with people using it to pursue your lynch.
I'm about to sign off for shabbat but wanted to make sure I check in and post this first
The first thing to point out is how wishy washy his reads have been on my slot. He knows I'm an easy ML and wants to use me to fulfill his win condition. The entire day 1 he called me town. Just yesterday he stated:
Actually thats wrong. Mafia would be motivated not to lynch Oberon.
Caine is prob a town lock and stupid
And also:
Tbf I asked him could we discuss it and he told me yes
But for mod banned login. I think this clears Gerald and Caine. Fully suspect mafia were bitching at this. Want to look at who was opposed to it and for reasons I cannot say. Im putting my vote there when I get home
So how did he go from this to suddenly sussing me? There's no clear progression on this. I am an easy ML target and he knows this.
While the Fiona wagon was strong and starting to pick up team:
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A-Fiona (3/5): A-Caine (p#11), A-Gerard (p#55), A-Deirdre (p#198)
A-Brand (1/5): A-Oberon (p#93)
Not Voting (5): A-Bleys, A-Brand, A-Fiona, A-Llewella, A-Random
With 9 players alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day phase ends in 2 days, 4 hours.
He attempts to derail this by trying to turn attention towards Oberon.
Keep in mind that Oberon himself beleived his blackmail challenge had Random's fingerprints all over it.
His reasoning on voting Oberon is just so outlandish it can never come from town:
My assumption with this is he is going to use the ability to kill himself so he flips dead and takes over someone's account. If he was being mod killed he would be mod killed now. If mago does not confirm this publicly he should be shot ASAP
This is such a laughable argument. This was after we already knew about the janitor and blackmailer.
Look in their ISO and search for Fiona. The only place it appears is at the end of d2 when he voted him after he was the certain lynch.
Look at Fiona's ISO: https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/iso?userids=69f0e54cdee4aca7a84cff90&postids=69f791e90b2f89d5f87f662a&postids=69f18ffd5a6154efe02ff531&sort=asc
There's very little discussion about Random. Both were clearly avoiding each other. This does not come from town.
Also does anyone find it odd that he never asks Fiona who he really is and talks about him like he knows he’s Mag1c? Now that’s a TMI slip!
A-Random wrote:
At work all day. Anyway that knows me irl knows I started a new job and im busy. Which is why im not posting a lot and glancing. The Oberon push was two fold. Will have an actual updated read list tonight.
But I think there is scum between lew and Caine.
Will go ahead and say im VT for poe purposes and for people to chew on. If you re read my dp1. I bread crumbled this heavily and its why I was dead set on lynching in the vanilla lane because I didnt see two vanilla and myself immediately being possible.
I do think we need to out the jailer. The NK isn't a surprise if the jailer can protect wf. Gerald was hard pushing whoever the lynch was last dp, forget the name but to me he was bleeding town. So if scum can't kill wf. They go to the next most town read person. Gut is saying caine but want to iso that Oberon wagon and people that agreed with it. Was fine with either target last dp and I do think that scenario was possible given how magic plays. But outside of that, there is a lot of info on counter wagons and who entertains them
Slip here?
"Kohai, your entrance to the thread was legendary, you had a solve and a winning PoE right when you showed up, super impressive stuff, even more so considering it wasn't even your objective!!" - Zrein
Fuck wrong account. My point remains
Can we please get some activity going?
I'll get back into it when I get a chance. I would like to hear from Random on your #215.
A-Deirdre wrote:
I'll get back into it when I get a chance. I would like to hear from Random on your #215.
Sounds good. And yeah don’t let him ignore it
Just got home and about to sleep cus gotta go back tomorrow
Responding at was request above but dont really see the point
1) wish washy reads on kohai. It hasn't been wishy washy. I town read him dp1 because he was spending half the day phase spamming the day phase with dumb test shit. Didn't think hed be mafia cus how would of how much time he was spending testing instead of engaging in the game. Then 2 vanillas died and didnt think their was this many vanillas so he was in my poe. Add that to the switch on oberon etc. His play has just been erratic and as always he's playing like a monkey.
2) slip - me calling him magic is not a slip you dingus I've been saying thats who I thought it was the entire game
3) derailing - I wasnt derailing a lynch. I was in a pm with him last game as mod where I watched him posion gambit to stall the game. There is a role that could have existed where he could yeet himself. Thinking he was stalling to use that role to cause confusion or the mafia could have had a wincon is not irrational. Not plausible sure but he tends to gambit hard. I had no issue with who ever the other lynch was as i trusted gerald and he saw shit I didnt.
Avoidance - I didnf avoid Fiona. I was skimming. I avoided like everyone half the game because I was focusing on what I thought oberon was doing and was pissed no one was entertaining the chance of that being possible. When you skim a game. You miss things. I've missed lots of things cus I dont have the time to read through a thousand posts and form articulate reads. Going off what sticks out to me the most
Avoiding me - I never interacted with them. Cant speak to why he didnt have reads on me but given who that slot is. Him going out like he did makes sense. Also I was unintentionally derailing his lynch in hindsight so im sure he had no reason to engage me
The most wishy washy I've been on caine is now. As im really starting to think this is town vs town and mafia are prob sitting back and letting us drive the train off the tracks.
I have no idea how to read David. Going to trust wf and sheep. His mafia play is awful most of time and the read on me feels like omgus. He had be almost blocked then swapped after I scum read him. Hard to say whether its retard omgus stuff or he's trying to push an easy lynch. Which is what he feels lolr im doing
The more im thinking about this. It may be helz or brand The anger on the angle shooting, suggesting its me and then sitting back snd letting a lynch happen either way is how mafia would play this
But yeah im passing out. Work tomorrow and mother's day over the weekend so not sure how much ill be around.
You decide what to do wf. I aint got the time to look at specific interactions or slips but after reading how retarded david is , it does make me think mafia could just be letting us drive off the cliff
Vote me or dont vote me Idc
But whatever you vote I'll vote so just lmk if you decide not to throw and trust me.
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A-Random (1/4): A-Caine (p#175)
Not Voting (5): A-Bleys, A-Brand, A-Deirdre, A-Llewella, A-Random
With 6 players alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day phase ends in 1 day, 3 hours.
Wf adding to this
Gun to my head I think its Cain and brand.
I am really really struggling with how to read Cain. But I cant excuse the shitty play. I normally dont trust my gut but its screaming pretty hard
Id bet there is 2 scum between brand caine and bleys
Im still glancing back through some of this and lew just gut checks me as town. The angle shooting shit and him being annoyed read me as as scum but I just read back through some of the solo leveling stuff and he was willing to die just to counter site meta. So it could be a principle thing. I ain't going to vote but I want to shoot caine or brand. Brand has rubbed me wrong since the mass claim idea. Bleys would be my last pick based on poe
A-Random wrote:
Just got home and about to sleep cus gotta go back tomorrow
Responding at was request above but dont really see the point
1) wish washy reads on kohai. It hasn't been wishy washy. I town read him dp1 because he was spending half the day phase spamming the day phase with dumb test shit. Didn't think hed be mafia cus how would of how much time he was spending testing instead of engaging in the game. Then 2 vanillas died and didnt think their was this many vanillas so he was in my poe. Add that to the switch on oberon etc. His play has just been erratic and as always he's playing like a monkey.
Fair. This game is far heavier on vanillas than normal (and something I particularly enjoy)
2) slip - me calling him magic is not a slip you dingus I've been saying thats who I thought it was the entire game
I find this point interesting: You have enough time to think he's magic but you don't have enough time to interact with him, form a decent read, or analyze and then you suddenly vote him when you realized there was no saving him.
3) derailing - I wasnt derailing a lynch. I was in a pm with him last game as mod where I watched him posion gambit to stall the game. There is a role that could have existed where he could yeet himself. Thinking he was stalling to use that role to cause confusion or the mafia could have had a wincon is not irrational. Not plausible sure but he tends to gambit hard. I had no issue with who ever the other lynch was as i trusted gerald and he saw shit I didnt.
Yeah right...then what do you call it? There's zero town motive to claim a PR and out the actual PR. Their play was objectively anti-town.
Avoidance - I didnf avoid Fiona. I was skimming. I avoided like everyone half the game because I was focusing on what I thought oberon was doing and was pissed no one was entertaining the chance of that being possible. When you skim a game. You miss things. I've missed lots of things cus I dont have the time to read through a thousand posts and form articulate reads. Going off what sticks out to me the most
Skimming enough to form a read "Fiona is playing like mag1c" but had no other interactions or thoughts? Do you not see why I find this completely implausible.
Avoiding me - I never interacted with them. Cant speak to why he didnt have reads on me but given who that slot is. Him going out like he did makes sense. Also I was unintentionally derailing his lynch in hindsight so im sure he had no reason to engage me
So you admit to derailing his lynch. Got it.
The most wishy washy I've been on caine is now. As im really starting to think this is town vs town and mafia are prob sitting back and letting us drive the train off the tracks.
So now I"m back to being town and this is just t/t violence. Alright tell me who's scum and why. Who is paired with Fiona and who is unpaired? Cite reasons.
I have no idea how to read David. Going to trust wf and sheep. His mafia play is awful most of time and the read on me feels like omgus. He had be almost blocked then swapped after I scum read him. Hard to say whether its retard omgus stuff or he's trying to push an easy lynch. Which is what he feels lolr im doing
Fair. I admit I'm notoriously hard to read.
The more im thinking about this. It may be helz or brand The anger on the angle shooting, suggesting its me and then sitting back snd letting a lynch happen either way is how mafia would play this
Sure.
But yeah im passing out. Work tomorrow and mother's day over the weekend so not sure how much ill be around.
Fair Get some rest. Rest is more important than a mafia game.
You decide what to do wf. I aint got the time to look at specific interactions or slips but after reading how retarded david is , it does make me think mafia could just be letting us drive off the cliff
Vote me or dont vote me Idc
But whatever you vote I'll vote so just lmk if you decide not to throw and trust me.
Nice ATE. Again, who's scum and why. If you had to vote right now who would you vote?
A-Random wrote:
Wf adding to this
Gun to my head I think its Cain and brand.
You JUST said you were beginning to think this was t/t violence and now I'm suddenly paired with Brand.
Im sold on david after his last post. His play is not consistent and he's jumping back and forth between reads based on who reads him
If he is this bad I dont regret it. But this feels like floundering scum.
cain
Brand
Blys
That order
VTL: Caine
Yes I said that cus I was curious what you would respond and if you would get back on after you said you were off for religious reasons.
That just sold me
A-Random wrote:
Im sold on david after his last post. His play is not consistent and he's jumping back and forth between reads based on who reads him
If he is this bad I dont regret it. But this feels like floundering scum.
cain
Brand
Blys
That order
VTL: Caine
Lets go. Let’s thunderdome. You are the one who is floundering and is inconsistent.
You are going back and forth. If someone reads you town. You placate and if someone doesn't read you, you try and buddy.
You brand bleys
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A-Random (1/4): A-Caine (p#175)
Not Voting (5): A-Bleys, A-Brand, A-Deirdre, A-Llewella, A-Random
With 6 players alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day phase ends in 1 day, 2 hours.
VTL: A-Caine
WF I lowkey am pretty sure of this. Go ISO kohai. He is bad but this is next level
Townblocks me nearly
Next dp I suggestion oberon after the mod kill verbiage. Jumps on that
Gets called out for that. Pulls off
Starts pushing me after lew says he doesn't like me
I buddy him and he starts to back off
He is going back ans forth to anything that is convenient.
Actually gun to my head. This is exactly caine and brand
Fiona was also trying to push toward randoms and didnt look that hard at caine and was selling a bleys mislynch if I recall. Which would make no sense cus bleys was a valid target for not being that active and has been in the poe pool all game
I just got a red bull. I actually got inspired to win this and fiance went to sleep early. So I have about an hour. Im going to iso david Fiona and brand
I’m going to bed soon but I wanted to reply for a few points.
A-Random wrote:
WF I lowkey am pretty sure of this. Go ISO kohai. He is bad but this is next level
Townblocks me nearly
I already explained why I had a town read on you. I had thought you were the jailer based on how pie spoke about you in their will. Since you claimed vanilla I went in and re evaluate my read - especially after Oberon said the blackmail challenge had YOUR finger prints written all over it.
A-Caine wrote:
Can we please get some activity going?
Sorry, I've been especially busy at work today, especially for a Friday. It's been a hell of a week for me. Still got some stuff to finish up before my weekend can truly start; I'll share my thoughts when I get home
90 to nothing kohai just pinged brand to get on and there will be pressure from that slot on me