Amber Mafia - DP3

A-Llewella wrote:

A-Bleys wrote:

Am I correct in believing that the Lord of Chaos could not have body swapped yet as there would be a Lord of Chaos flip at night?

There is no Mafia Disguiser.

That Lord of Chaos role has a mechanic that promotes another mafia to get their role powers when they die.

I also think 3p is unlikely given how weak the town seems.

Oh, I misread the the Lord of Chaos works

A-Bleys wrote:

We actually may not have a confirmable town. Do we know of anyone being jailed after the redacted flip?

A-Llewella wrote:

Rough hard mech points:

Illusionist hides the role flip and Last will (Last will is a mechanic of submitting a post to the host that will be revealed upon your death) This happened N1 so we know they exist in game

Blackmailer we know to exist because it killed Oberon D2

Lord of Evil / Godfather we know to exist because we eliminated them D2

Godfather has a mechanic where another mafia becomes their role after they die. It also has a mechanic that it gets a shot of the killing function if in Lylo. (In this case that killing function is the blackmailer)

We know the Jailor exists because they killed N1. The last will of the player made it clear they were jailed and thought the jailor was town.

Jailor does have a Mafia type which is Integrator. The game would be over right now if it was 3 town vs 3 mafia right now so jailor must be town

A-Deirdre's post #45 responding to you also explained. Getting strong vibes that your pretending to interact right now and asking questions for show.

Maiden, I have 1600 posts to read through before I have behavioral reads.

I think you misunderstand my concern. I understand that a jailor exists. What I am asking is if anyone has been jailed after the Mafia used their illusionist. I want to confirm that we know the jailor is not dead before we give a jailor claim a free green check.

FWIW I have a very strong particular read on random but would rather not reveal what that read is and why

Fair.

We could ask. May also give scum WIFOM on how the jailor will target though which could be critical. I have some specific thoughts I am not voicing right now because they will very much potentially matter later.

I am just paranoid right now and very tired.

Fair enough. I am doing to delve into the past thoroughly in solitude, lest the Maiden Llewella grow more upset that my 50 minutes in this world is insufficient to have such familiarity with the stage of current events as she possesses herself.

A-Bleys wrote:

Fair enough. I am doing to delve into the past thoroughly in solitude, lest the Maiden Llewella grow more upset that my 50 minutes in this world is insufficient to have such familiarity with the stage of current events as she possesses herself.

You’re making it incredibly difficult to find you as town. If you’re town you need to actually do more than speaking in riddles. Actually do something.

At work all day. Anyway that knows me irl knows I started a new job and im busy. Which is why im not posting a lot and glancing. The Oberon push was two fold. Will have an actual updated read list tonight.

But I think there is scum between lew and Caine.

Will go ahead and say im VT for poe purposes and for people to chew on. If you re read my dp1. I bread crumbled this heavily and its why I was dead set on lynching in the vanilla lane because I didnt see two vanilla and myself immediately being possible.

I do think we need to out the jailer. The NK isn't a surprise if the jailer can protect wf. Gerald was hard pushing whoever the lynch was last dp, forget the name but to me he was bleeding town. So if scum can't kill wf. They go to the next most town read person. Gut is saying caine but want to iso that Oberon wagon and people that agreed with it. Was fine with either target last dp and I do think that scenario was possible given how magic plays. But outside of that, there is a lot of info on counter wagons and who entertains them

A-Caine wrote:

A-Bleys wrote:

Fair enough. I am doing to delve into the past thoroughly in solitude, lest the Maiden Llewella grow more upset that my 50 minutes in this world is insufficient to have such familiarity with the stage of current events as she possesses herself.

You’re making it incredibly difficult to find you as town. If you’re town you need to actually do more than speaking in riddles. Actually do something.

I am in the process of reading through the game. There are 1700 hundred posts to get through. I've been in the game from about an hour and a half. I have to read the game before I can comment on the game. You all are very close to having me replace out and letting you deal with the inactive slot. I'm doing the game a favor joining in and committing the vast majority of my day to catching up. You all need to stop demanding more from me faster. Give me the time to read. Thank you.

I realize now that the mod did not make an announcement and it's possible that reading between the lines is difficult, so I will make it painfully clear. I am a new replacement to the game. I am not the same player who originally used this account. That is why I need time to catch up. Thank you for your patience.

A-Random wrote:

At work all day. Anyway that knows me irl knows I started a new job and im busy. Which is why im not posting a lot and glancing. The Oberon push was two fold. Will have an actual updated read list tonight.

Congrats on your new job

But I think there is scum between lew and Caine.

Will go ahead and say im VT for poe purposes and for people to chew on. If you re read my dp1. I bread crumbled this heavily and its why I was dead set on lynching in the vanilla lane because I didnt see two vanilla and myself immediately being possible.

I honestly thought you were the jailer based on how Flora spoke about you in their last will. This is why I was defending you yesterday. I will need to re eval and make sure I didn’t misclear you.

I do think we need to out the jailer. The NK isn't a surprise if the jailer can protect wf. Gerald was hard pushing whoever the lynch was last dp, forget the name but to me he was bleeding town. So if scum can't kill wf. They go to the next most town read person. Gut is saying caine but want to iso that Oberon wagon and people that agreed with it. Was fine with either target last dp and I do think that scenario was possible given how magic plays. But outside of that, there is a lot of info on counter wagons and who entertains them

Agree. The jailer has until end of day to pick a target.

A-Bleys wrote:

I realize now that the mod did not make an announcement and it's possible that reading between the lines is difficult, so I will make it painfully clear. I am a new replacement to the game. I am not the same player who originally used this account. That is why I need time to catch up. Thank you for your patience.

Welcome. Can you claim?

I am rather unhappy to say this but Jailor may as well claim now. With 2 people outing themselves randomly that means all 3 remaining have a 50/50 of who the jailor is. We pretty much killed the jailors cover.

Back to the earlier logic, a claim from them does have its value. Scum will be forced to fight another 50/50 or deal with a smaller PoE. And if they jail right they can save their own life.

There is one other piece I will wait to say until after things play out but I really see withholding the claim pretty pointless now.

I am a "Prince of Amber"

D1 post #375 is where I seeded to reference later saying

I identify as they/them. Please respect my pronoun.

The part I snickered at was that it was my role and flavor. My response to my role reveal being along the lines of "Oh, Given my character is clearly a woman but I am a prince means I gotta identify as for RP"

Also why I picked the limitation I did. My character is aloof and distantly engauged. Seemed fitting.

That and I had hoped to bait a lost wolf or PR assumption from wolves. Failed that piece right now

A-Bleys wrote:

I am in the process of reading through the game. There are 1700 hundred posts to get through. I've been in the game from about an hour and a half. I have to read the game before I can comment on the game. You all are very close to having me replace out and letting you deal with the inactive slot. I'm doing the game a favor joining in and committing the vast majority of my day to catching up. You all need to stop demanding more from me faster. Give me the time to read. Thank you.

I appreciate you joining and taking the time. Sorry if you feel rushed. Tons of time left in the day and I understand disliking any sort of urgency in this situation. Part of it comes from your prior slot and all that.

A-Caine wrote:

Welcome. Can you claim?

I can. I won't at this moment.

I suppose I explained poorly when I revealed.

Unless the scum team was exactly Caine and Random + the scum team both decided to remove any chance of counter claiming for zero reason then at best there is 1 scum between them. I town read Caine and scum read Random placing 1 of 2 scum between Belys and Brand essentially killing cover. Would also allow the Mafia to select 1 of 2 slots to pool their votes on to target down the Jailor and remove their cover.

I just figure there is zero reason in not mass claiming now though. I have 2 more thoughts I will unpack after everyone has claimed and push for a solve for one of them.

I agree we should mass claim. Jailor must out their target.

I'm still a bit hesitant, but I understand the logic for outing the Jailor at this point. If they successfully Jailed someone, that will at least indicate that their target was not the new Lord of Chaos. It will also give us another townlock.

A-Deirdre wrote:

I'm still a bit hesitant, but I understand the logic for outing the Jailor at this point. If they successfully Jailed someone, that will at least indicate that their target was not the new Lord of Chaos. It will also give us another townlock.

Agree

Yeah, I 100% think that before hammer Jailor should out a target. As I said before if they die as we eleminate a mafia it will clear a player for the next day. Our jailor will function as an invest even if they die and Mafia will be obligated to kill them or Dierdre by default.

I'd rather we spend the first 24-36 hours of the day not knowing who the jailor is. Commit people to reads before confirming someone.

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Not Voting (6): A-Bleys, A-Brand, A-Caine, A-Deirdre, A-Llewella, A-Random

With 6 players alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day phase ends in 2 days, 12 hours.

One potential problem: Mafia can waive NK to incriminate the person that was jailed.

A-Caine wrote:

One potential problem: Mafia can waive NK to incriminate the person that was jailed.

That's only a problem if we successfully lynch. There's still value in setting a jail target up in case we mislynch.

A-Caine wrote:

One potential problem: Mafia can waive NK to incriminate the person that was jailed.

If they do, scum are putting themselves in a bind. If we lynch correctly, we're at 4-1, so they've just doubled the number of remaining DPs. A couple of games back when I was scum, I waived the NK in an attempt to avoid suspicion (and also draw attention to the claimed Vig), and it worked for a bit, but I was sussed out anyway. POE's a bitch and scum have to know that decision would be playing with fire. I welcome them to make it, though, drag this thing out, bring it down to a final 3 and see what happens.

A-Bleys wrote:

A-Caine wrote:

One potential problem: Mafia can waive NK to incriminate the person that was jailed.

That's only a problem if we successfully lynch. There's still value in setting a jail target up in case we mislynch.

True.

i do think jailor should out themselves. I really thought it was random due to how Flora spoke about them

A-Deirdre wrote:

A-Caine wrote:

One potential problem: Mafia can waive NK to incriminate the person that was jailed.

If they do, scum are putting themselves in a bind. If we lynch correctly, we're at 4-1, so they've just doubled the number of remaining DPs. A couple of games back when I was scum, I waived the NK in an attempt to avoid suspicion (and also draw attention to the claimed Vig), and it worked for a bit, but I was sussed out anyway. POE's a bitch and scum have to know that decision would be playing with fire. I welcome them to make it, though, drag this thing out, bring it down to a final 3 and see what happens.

This is also true. Lots of WIFOM.

Jailor must out their target.

Yeah, I 100% think that before hammer Jailor should out a target.

Question: why?

We know scum have no roles to interfere with wills at this point. Why not have the Jailor leave their target in their will? Worst case scenario, they die and reveal their target. Best case, they survive and tell us.

A-Deirdre wrote:

Jailor must out their target.

Yeah, I 100% think that before hammer Jailor should out a target.

Question: why?

We know scum have no roles to interfere with wills at this point. Why not have the Jailor leave their target in their will? Worst case scenario, they die and reveal their target. Best case, they survive and tell us.

The will point is very valid