Frieren Mafia - DP1

Thoth wrote:

Re: #251. That PM differs from mine in that the justification is specifically for being Vanilla, since he faded into obscurity. I don't even have that.

I do ask y'all to consider in what world whiteflame either gave scum!Thoth's team Vanilla as a fake-claim or we exhausted all our questions this early and ended up claiming that.

Thats pretty easy. Yall took the one fake claim and fake role option and since WF said they don’t tie, you’re forced to use the claim and an easy enough role

Lunatic wrote:

Mag1cman wrote:

I’m fine with lynching Thoth for the info.

Trust me, lets lynch pie

”tRuST mE brO”

This is a town slip imo

I want a claim from either magic or pie. Prob magic

If I’m reading between the lines correctly, Thoth is town and we almost mislynched him. I need you to do the same.

Lunatic wrote:

ILikePie5 wrote:

Lunatic wrote:

I believe him guys..

VTL: ILikePie5

Still feel good about pie being scum. Coming in just to support the thoth wagon is pretty dumb too. Scum think Thoth is an easy mislynch here. I am not going to be apart of that, and will be scrutinizing anyone on his lynch if it does happen.

My reasoning for the Thoth wagon was completely independent of everyone else’s. I was the one who said he was being unusually defensive that early on. Also

Defensive? His responses have seemed pretty dead pan to me. Normal thoth seems a bit more chipper, but after how the last couple games have went I can feel his pain. Then he immediately gets pressured and ends up being a vanilla, and you put pressure on him alongside other players like mikal and magic, honestly thats gotta be pretty demoraling. Whether you have independent reads or not, it doesn't change the fact that the lynch is bad and hes being pushed by multiple players who have opted not to really try pushing literally anywhere else. I don't like this one bit.

This was before there was a consistent wagon on him. Mag1c posted one vote on him and he gets all defensive about it in his first post in the game lol. There was zero pressure at the time basically. And then Mikal voted him for OMGUS and he got all pissy lol. It wasn’t a legitimate push

Your characterization is just objectively false lol.

I am open to being wrong about my magic town read. Hes got a big chip on his shoulder and wants to get his scum win rate back up after his last two losses, so I could see him try harding this one.

ILikePie5 wrote:

Lunatic wrote:

Mag1cman wrote:

I’m fine with lynching Thoth for the info.

Trust me, lets lynch pie

”tRuST mE brO”

When you consistently go for the easy lynches every game, I am going to consistently pressure you for it.

ILikePie5 wrote:

Lunatic wrote:

ILikePie5 wrote:

Lunatic wrote:

I believe him guys..

VTL: ILikePie5

Still feel good about pie being scum. Coming in just to support the thoth wagon is pretty dumb too. Scum think Thoth is an easy mislynch here. I am not going to be apart of that, and will be scrutinizing anyone on his lynch if it does happen.

My reasoning for the Thoth wagon was completely independent of everyone else’s. I was the one who said he was being unusually defensive that early on. Also

Defensive? His responses have seemed pretty dead pan to me. Normal thoth seems a bit more chipper, but after how the last couple games have went I can feel his pain. Then he immediately gets pressured and ends up being a vanilla, and you put pressure on him alongside other players like mikal and magic, honestly thats gotta be pretty demoraling. Whether you have independent reads or not, it doesn't change the fact that the lynch is bad and hes being pushed by multiple players who have opted not to really try pushing literally anywhere else. I don't like this one bit.

This was before there was a consistent wagon on him. Mag1c posted one vote on him and he gets all defensive about it in his first post in the game lol. There was zero pressure at the time basically. And then Mikal voted him for OMGUS and he got all pissy lol. It wasn’t a legitimate push

Your characterization is just objectively false lol.

He was being just as "defensive" as Banana was being "Passive Aggressive" in the last game lol. Yeah, he is clearly scum. Town never defend themselves.

Timeline of events

-I RVS Thoth to test him

-Mikal joins in

-Thoth responds

-Mikal finds it scummy

-I Unvote and evaluate

-I find Thoth scummy

-Pie finds Thoth scummy, joins in

-Thoth gives claim w/ no justification

-Sus continues

-Rex jumps in to throw sus at Thoth, no vote

If we’re talking opportunism, than Rex is a worse offender than Pie imo

Mikal wrote:

But yeah gut is thoth luna pair or they are both town

I see an outside world where Lunas behavior is preparing for a thoth town flip as scum as magic mentioned but playing that way doesn't serve him. Would just be better to not post. Say hes asleep and allow thoth to die.

Defending him that hard either reads as they are both scum or both town

Hard disagree. Scum Luna cannot adequately hunt for PRs with only one claim on the table. He’s forced to get claims from other people to eliminate the pool at least slightly. If we think Thoth is scum, with a Vanilla claim, we 100% lynch him. Get results tonight and figure it out tomorrow. That screws over scum really bad.

His reasoning for voting me is just bad. He’s saying there’s a reason Thoth was being defensive when it was literally 1 vote in RVS from Mag1c and an OMGUS troll vote from you

Mag1cman wrote:

I’ll look at The Pitt Mafia in a bit, but can you tell me what happened in that game?

luna bussed wylted early

ILikePie5 wrote:

Thoth wrote:

Re: #251. That PM differs from mine in that the justification is specifically for being Vanilla, since he faded into obscurity. I don't even have that.

I do ask y'all to consider in what world whiteflame either gave scum!Thoth's team Vanilla as a fake-claim or we exhausted all our questions this early and ended up claiming that.

Thats pretty easy. Yall took the one fake claim and fake role option and since WF said they don’t tie, you’re forced to use the claim and an easy enough role

I’ll grant this.

#307

Reads like he wants a claim from Mag1c and a complete 180 from him townread lol

RexFavilla wrote:

Noted that when I asked Banana if she was town she didn't answer. Very curious.

oh crap u got me

Ty

Lunatic wrote:

ILikePie5 wrote:

Lunatic wrote:

Mag1cman wrote:

I’m fine with lynching Thoth for the info.

Trust me, lets lynch pie

”tRuST mE brO”

When you consistently go for the easy lynches every game, I am going to consistently pressure you for it.

Its not an “easy lynch.” Also, I was literally town last game so again, you’re just wrong.

ILikePie5 wrote:

#307

Reads like he wants a claim from Mag1c and a complete 180 from him townread lol

noted

Mag1cman wrote:

Timeline of events

-I RVS Thoth to test him

-Mikal joins in

-Thoth responds

-Mikal finds it scummy

-I Unvote and evaluate

-I find Thoth scummy

-Pie finds Thoth scummy, joins in

-Thoth gives claim w/ no justification

-Sus continues

-Rex jumps in to throw sus at Thoth, no vote

If we’re talking opportunism, than Rex is a worse offender than Pie imo

Crickets from Luna on REF.

ILikePie5 wrote:

Lunatic wrote:

ILikePie5 wrote:

Lunatic wrote:

Mag1cman wrote:

I’m fine with lynching Thoth for the info.

Trust me, lets lynch pie

”tRuST mE brO”

When you consistently go for the easy lynches every game, I am going to consistently pressure you for it.

Its not an “easy lynch.” Also, I was literally town last game so again, you’re just wrong.

This argument loses steam when you constantly say things like "I would do the same thing as either affiliation". You can't use that as a defense and expect us not to think you would do it as scum lol

ILikePie5 wrote:

Crickets from Luna on REF.

So why are you pushing Thoth not ref?

Lunatic wrote:

ILikePie5 wrote:

Lunatic wrote:

ILikePie5 wrote:

Lunatic wrote:

Mag1cman wrote:

I’m fine with lynching Thoth for the info.

Trust me, lets lynch pie

”tRuST mE brO”

When you consistently go for the easy lynches every game, I am going to consistently pressure you for it.

Its not an “easy lynch.” Also, I was literally town last game so again, you’re just wrong.

This argument loses steam when you constantly say things like "I would do the same thing as either affiliation". You can't use that as a defense and expect us not to think you would do it as scum lol

So you admit that it’s NAI lol.

Automated Vote Count

This vote count was generated by the mafia vote bot.

Mikal (1/5): Thoth (p#16)

Banana (1/5): RexFavilla (p#19)

Magoroth (1/5): wylted (p#27)

Thoth (1/5): ILikePie5 (p#73)

ILikePie5 (1/5): Lunatic (p#234)

Not Voting (4): Banana (p#135), Mag1cman (p#239), Magoroth, Mikal (p#280)

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day phase ends in 2 hours.

Lunatic wrote:

ILikePie5 wrote:

Crickets from Luna on REF.

So why are you pushing Thoth not ref?

Did I say REF was being opportunistic? No. You said Pie is being opportunistic and wagoning Thoth lol

I’ll note that Mago is uncharacteristically inactive this game. Need his claim first thing tomorrow.

High level reads for now

Town:

Pie

Mikal

Magic

Null:

Banana

REF

Wylted

Scum:

Luna

Thoth

Mago

Happy to lynch any of the bottom 3 at the moment

What are your thoughts. We aren’t lynching Mikal cause he said he’s confirmable. Any other thoughts?

ILikePie5 wrote:

So you admit that it’s NAI lol.

It's NAI for you to be a stubborn bastard and double down as town. It's AI as well for you to do it as scum. You being town last game doesn't clear you from being scum this game.

Lunatic wrote:

ILikePie5 wrote:

So you admit that it’s NAI lol.

It's NAI for you to be a stubborn bastard and double down as town. It's AI as well for you to do it as scum. You being town last game doesn't clear you from being scum this game.

Wasnt it you who literally said “if this behavior is town Pie, I will consider it in my future evaluation of him.”

Doesnt seem like you’re doing that here

ILikePie5 wrote:

What are your thoughts. We aren’t lynching Mikal cause he said he’s confirmable. Any other thoughts?

i wish i had more, but i dont. that said i get both the argument and the defence for thoth, i dont think theres been as much activity this game so its been hard to read ppl but rex has been inactive, so if u wanted to go that route i would support it